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Esli
Profile Joined February 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 14:05:47
March 08 2010 14:04 GMT
#1
I wanna know what you guys think about the hellion model and the thor in SC2. First off we have the hellion, a flame-shooting dune buggy with an aoe attack. I simply think this unit does not fit in with the rest of the Terran army. This might be slightly biased because I thought the vulture model was so terrific...

Thors are, imo, unnecessary. Their slow, they have a ridiculous turning speed for some reason, and they just don't look visually appealing to me at all. I think marines with medivacs are better at countering air than a thor -_-. I have seen very few top notch terran players actually get a thor. If they need anti air they simply go marines and vikings. Overall, I think thors just flat out need to be replaced.

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Poll: Should the hellion model be changed?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

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Poll: Do you like the thor?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
iko
Profile Joined February 2010
New Zealand137 Posts
March 08 2010 14:06 GMT
#2
The Thor needs to be smaller.

It's slow turning speed is it's weakness. The fact that having any more than Two Thors cause them to spazz out when trying to move anywhere is frustrating as fuck, also you have to pull of jeesus simcity to stop them getting stuck in your base
gavss
Profile Joined February 2010
Turkey94 Posts
March 08 2010 14:06 GMT
#3
tank should be more powerful
thor should be cheaper and smaller
fyyer
Profile Joined February 2010
United States145 Posts
March 08 2010 14:07 GMT
#4
I've NEVER liked the Hellion. It looks like a little kids RC car. Just totally plain and uncreative.

As far as the Thor goes, this unit HAD merit when it was more of a super unit, but since then has become tacky and its large size is of no merit.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 08 2010 14:10 GMT
#5
On March 08 2010 23:06 iko wrote:
The Thor needs to be smaller.

It's slow turning speed is it's weakness. The fact that having any more than Two Thors cause them to spazz out when trying to move anywhere is frustrating as fuck, also you have to pull of jeesus simcity to stop them getting stuck in your base

slow turning speed? They turn just as fast as anything else, the movement is slow though.
I agree about them getting stuck easily though. In fact tanks get stuck easily too, lot of shit walls when it doesn't seem like it's walling for terran (bunkers/turrets etc).
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Esli
Profile Joined February 2010
United States36 Posts
March 08 2010 14:14 GMT
#6
Which doesn't make sense to me at all. I mean, I understand that it's a game and none of this has to be purely based in the world of physics, but how could such a large slow unit turn so quickly? lol, just being a little picky, but the thor has many many flaws and I believe that terrans just deserve better antiair.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
March 08 2010 14:23 GMT
#7
I refuse to build Thors. They're a bad joke. Ugly shit.
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Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
March 08 2010 14:26 GMT
#8
I've never liked the idea of the thor. I feel they step on toes with tanks and there is just better anti-air. Either make them more like the goliath (which i dont particularly like) or remove them.
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
March 08 2010 14:28 GMT
#9
People (who are in the beta) should comment on Blizzards forum, those two units could use a serious make-over. Also the Collossus looks weird as shit when theres so many of them standing next to each other, or when they're standing over the rest of your army.
https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
Esli
Profile Joined February 2010
United States36 Posts
March 08 2010 14:30 GMT
#10
I think a lot of the units could use a tune up or a whole makeover, but I think the thor and hellion deserve special focus right now.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
March 08 2010 14:32 GMT
#11
Whoops, i voted no instead of yes on thors Thors are cool as hell, moving meatshields that can deal the punishment!
MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
March 08 2010 14:37 GMT
#12
My biggest problem with the Thor is, why does a unit with a name based on Norse mythology speak in a german accent? ;(
For Aiur! - If you reach for the stars and miss, you still might end up walking among the clouds.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
March 08 2010 14:43 GMT
#13
Hellion rapes workers. Thor is a good 'easy button' when you're way ahead.

I see no reason to change this.
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
March 08 2010 14:45 GMT
#14
I WANT MY GOLIATH!!!!!! D:
Damnit goliath, you were so good in starcraft 1, everyone loved you but you just let yourself go.... and now look at you. All you're good for is reminding us in socal we still have arnold as a governor.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Karas
Profile Joined March 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 14:57:33
March 08 2010 14:57 GMT
#15
To me the highlight Thor ability that I haven't seen much of is the 250 mm strike cannons.

The fact is the thor can counter any ground unit 1v1 with that special ability. Immortals...no problems. Ultras....can almost kill one in a single barrage. Collossus...toasted.

The fact that it attacks air is great, but to me this ability is what makes it useful. I would never build an army of thors, they are a support unit, not a mainstay.

As for the hellion, people are finding uses for them, but I'm still not that fan of the concept. But hey, I still remember the days of early SC1 where the vulture was considered a newb unit...no "good" player would dare touch them.
MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
March 08 2010 14:57 GMT
#16
Blizzard added too many Marine models in the increasing power scale.
What I mean is:
Marine < Marauder < Viking < Thor

Thor isn't unique at all, unit just feels like a forced attempt to add another "semi-boss" unit, like mothership or new monstrous ultralisk..
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 08 2010 15:00 GMT
#17
The Thor is fine -_- And it's a fine mainstay unit too.

The Hellion model doesn't bother me, though I wouldn't mind it getting some kind of ability/upgrade.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Esli
Profile Joined February 2010
United States36 Posts
March 08 2010 15:10 GMT
#18
But where do thors fit into the terran army? Need anti-air? Why not go marines and medivacs or vikings, they have more mobility and they are easily replaced. Need to defend the ground? Go tanks with hellions or tanks with MMM. Where does the thor fit in?
Dav_
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary236 Posts
March 08 2010 15:13 GMT
#19
On March 08 2010 23:32 Kaniol wrote:
Whoops, i voted no instead of yes on thors Thors are cool as hell, moving meatshields that can deal the punishment!


me too. OP is evil
Jandos
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Czech Republic928 Posts
March 08 2010 15:25 GMT
#20
Yeah Thors are way to big. Blizzard should smoller them.
Helion model is OK with me
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