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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
What do you want to see as a viewer from the obs-tool bar? does anyone know a way to hide the replay progress bar yet? is it worth trying to zoom in on a battle, or do you think its better zoomed out? should i just keep switching between FP views (mostly) or control the camera myself? speed to watch the replay at? what type of info do you care to hear about at this point in the beta? PT1: + Show Spoiler + PT2: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
Alright watched the rep. Some general comments: Stop being so over zealous about everything. It seems any new feature of sc2 is like omfg this is amazing. You were kinda like "OMFG!! HOLY SHIT!!! THE STALKER IS WALKING ON CLIFFS ITS USING ITS ABILITY HOW STRATEGIC!!!". Just gets annoying a bit. Obviously enthusiasm is great but don't let your heart rate triple at every unit ability. Otherwise pretty good commentary considering how little is know about the game  As for whether you should show FP View or just handle the camera yourself, I would handle the camera yourself (like you do in SC1 replays). Do the korean proleague technique where they switch to FP view when there's something interesting to bee seen from first person (Best example would be player A proxies building in player Bs base, and you switch to play B to see if he is able to see the proxy, or if he's frantically looking around the map. That's my 2 cents, hope it helps. What made you decide to leave SC1 casting btw? | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
None as of now. Zoom in a bit during clashes. I do this sometimes and the effect is great. Make sure you rotate the camera effectively too. Switch to FP view when nothing much is happening. Control the camera during clashes. Watch at Fast speed. Fastest is just too much. I don't know about the last question XD | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On February 27 2010 00:50 lolaloc wrote: Zoom in a bit during clashes. I do this sometimes and the effect is great. Make sure you rotate the camera effectively too. NO! NO NO NO NO NO! Don't do that! Don't do that! Refer to Vaul's DoW2 commentaries for reference of how messy that makes things look. You can barely even percieve where the battle takes place. It's just a mess. StarCraft camera is top-down for a reason. Please let 10 year experience with observer cleanliness trickle over unto SC2. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
What do you want to see as a viewer from the obs-tool bar? APM. btw the non income resource thing just shows what their current bank of resources is. (unspent money) does anyone know a way to hide the replay progress bar yet? use a watermark? is it worth trying to zoom in on a battle, or do you think its better zoomed out? eh, maybe for specific things like worker harass on building scv where he dances behind and you need insert/delete to rotate, etc. like 1% of the time i'd say go for it. should i just keep switching between FP views (mostly) or control the camera myself? FP view is not that great because it's not perfect FP (no cursor etc). Doesn't matter tbh, do what you feel like. btw, V is a hotkey to switch to other person's view. speed to watch the replay at? faster plz what type of info do you care to hear about at this point in the beta? doesn't matter. talk about maps imo. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
Anything you feel like. None as of now. Zoom in a bit during clashes. I do this sometimes and the effect is great. Make sure you rotate the camera effectively too. Switch to FP view when nothing much is happening. Control the camera during clashes. Watch at Fast speed. Fastest is just too much. What the fuck? How is it possible that I disagree on every single point here.. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On February 27 2010 00:56 edahl wrote: NO! NO NO NO NO NO! Don't do that! Don't do that! Refer to Vaul's DoW2 commentaries for reference of how messy that makes things look. You can barely even percieve where the battle takes place. It's just a mess. StarCraft camera is top-down for a reason. Please let 10 year experience with observer cleanliness trickle over unto SC2. If i was to make a commentary, and zoom in u wud love me for it, cus its actually quite nice if u use it properly. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On February 27 2010 01:01 Puosu wrote: What the fuck? How is it possible that I disagree on every single point here.. You disagree on him using anything he feels like with the obs-tool and you know of a way to block the replay progress bar? | ||
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Neak
United Kingdom124 Posts
btw lol at Idra, how typical haha | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
So sad. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
On February 27 2010 00:47 SubtleArt wrote:What made you decide to leave SC1 casting btw? the pro-scene started to feel like the same old stuff game after game with, for the most part, the same people on top season after season. i got bored. the foreign scene was still interesting, but i just lost the drive to do any starcraft games and so i've just been having fun playing some other games (LoL, dragonage, sc2 beta obv) and watching other people cast things like the TSL. sc2 was able to breath some life back into me and thanks for the feedback so far, everyone | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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nbMifu
Brazil170 Posts
Update: I forgot to say welcome back Rise! Sc2 is a lot of fun now, with crazy strategies and new things going on, so I think you'll have fun :D | ||
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cornwell
Germany19 Posts
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
They help a lot Great comeback commentary, Rise | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
As for what I'd like to see in the box thinger (top left) APM is a good one to just keep up if nothing is really going on, unit counts are good before armies engage so it numbers of units instead of blobs of units. Also, after and type of harass the income tab is a nifty tool, see just how much damage was done by the attack. The FPviews are nice, but should be used less frequently in a way that was mentioned earlier. If something goes down like a proxy, FP views are wonderful, when they're building probes...not so much xD Keep up the good work sir! | ||
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zergpower123
United States197 Posts
LOL at Idra, man he still has bm. I am so glad Nony beat him in TSL2 | ||
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Br1ghT
53 Posts
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
 my tips: never zoom in, comment on map strategies, comment on unit composition (who is effective against who), use unit bar and army bar more often (when they in battle, or massing armies), use FP whenever you feel like it should be done (did he see the proxy pylon??, etc) hope to see more in the future! | ||
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dolo
United States14 Posts
On February 27 2010 01:06 Zurles wrote: I wish someone would grow some balls and learn a race besides protoss =(. I completely agree with this, I am so sick of P vs everything/P. Its like all everyone plays is toss...Its actually quite depressing. I must admit, I'll watch any of sc2ggrise's commentaries though. He's solid ace In my book. | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On February 27 2010 02:38 dolo wrote: I completely agree with this, I am so sick of P vs everything/P. Its like all everyone plays is toss...Its actually qite depressing. I must admit, I'll watch any of sc2ggrise's commentaries though. He's solid ace In my book. Real men (or, ... nerds I guess) go random! | ||
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
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dolo
United States14 Posts
On February 27 2010 02:44 Sc2ggRise wrote: i'll do some more of other races, it was just the first set of replays i got, maybe i'll do some terran games next ;D <3 terran so win^^ | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On February 27 2010 01:37 Sc2ggRise wrote: the pro-scene started to feel like the same old stuff game after game with, for the most part, the same people on top season after season. i got bored. the foreign scene was still interesting, but i just lost the drive to do any starcraft games and so i've just been having fun playing some other games (LoL, dragonage, sc2 beta obv) and watching other people cast things like the TSL. sc2 was able to breath some life back into me and thanks for the feedback so far, everyone I agree with you on your reasons for leaving, I've just been playing to get ready for SC2. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
I thought the game ended when the colossus came out. but reaver > coloososossusuck ofcourse.. | ||
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timmins
Canada31 Posts
Sure, if you have a good reason, you can show anything you like at points. Someone saving gas for mutas? sure, put it up there. Someone just get mega harrrased? sure, show how bad the economy is relative to the other guy. But just to have on by default, what a player has in his army, and what he's adding on, are the clear winners. And that also shows worker count, too. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
On February 27 2010 03:18 TheBB wrote: Azz is Ahzz@TL, right? Or? No, as i tried to say in the video its not Ahzz but another guy that goes by the name of Azz. Also a starcraft player, though a lesser known one (b-/b player on iccup) | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On February 27 2010 03:24 Sc2ggRise wrote: No, as i tried to say in the video its not Ahzz but another guy that goes by the name of Azz. Also a starcraft player, though a lesser known one (b-/b player on iccup) Ok... video not loaded yet, you see. | ||
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tg4u
Bulgaria125 Posts
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
On February 27 2010 01:33 Skyze wrote: if you guys want classic idra nerdrage, download Fayth vs Idra. Imo the #1 best replay from SC2 so far, watching him get pissed. done, and processing as i write this ;D | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
You shoul have more space on the scene. (i am subscribed to your chan from loong time) XD | ||
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abyss
Czech Republic139 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 27 2010 00:47 SubtleArt wrote: Agreed on this general point. I thought it was really good up until the warp gate (8:30ish) and the colossus thing. I think you just need to control your volume a bit (but not too much, because you sound great the rest of the time) and be aware of your distance to the mic. Also, do some annunciation exercises for some sounds like your 'p's. IRL, it wouldn't be a problem but it gets picked up differently on a mic.Nice :D watching the rep now Alright watched the rep. Some general comments: Stop being so over zealous about everything. It seems any new feature of sc2 is like omfg this is amazing. You were kinda like "OMFG!! HOLY SHIT!!! THE STALKER IS WALKING ON CLIFFS ITS USING ITS ABILITY HOW STRATEGIC!!!". Just gets annoying a bit. Obviously enthusiasm is great but don't let your heart rate triple at every unit ability. Aside from that, I thought it sounded really good. Not sure how the strategy stacks up in SC2 yet, but at the very least I think if people used classic announcer teams (color commentator + play by play), you'd make an excellent play by play. You sound like Doug Gottlieb. | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
On February 27 2010 01:01 Puosu wrote: What the fuck? How is it possible that I disagree on every single point here.. felt the same hahahaa. the guy got everything different from what i think | ||
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bentnormal
112 Posts
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
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Rufio
241 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
On February 27 2010 04:41 Sc2ggRise wrote: done, and processing as i write this ;D they are up PT1: + Show Spoiler + PT2: + Show Spoiler + videos are still processing, full HD should be up soon for the 2nd video. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Love your commentaries Rise. You and Moletrap got me into this whole thing. Hope you stick around for SC2 and the coming WL finals and commentate them as well | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On February 27 2010 08:59 Emon_ wrote: Maybe do a dual commentary with Combat-ex next time? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. Combat-ex wouldn't even cast anything where he cant talk about himself owning some lower ranked player. Won't even get into that to avoid a flame war. The only time to zoom in in a battle when its a very small one, i.e. probe/zeal vs probe/zeal. Even then, only SLIGHTLY to bring in focus. Don't rotate the camera -.- First person I think really should only be used like korean commentaries, mostly when the heat is on into an intense mid/late game or BRIEFLY from both sides during a long epic fight. I think the army tab is the best thing to have open most of the time, with quick checks to the other tabs periodically. normal faster speed please, especially when there is less need to introduce units again and again. I enjoy the commentaries, looks promising. | ||
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ocho
United States172 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2586 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Now get Cholera back! | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
but the match was kinda unspectacular... at least the first part.... | ||
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PeT[uK]
United States412 Posts
On February 27 2010 00:47 SubtleArt wrote: Nice :D watching the rep now Alright watched the rep. Some general comments: Stop being so over zealous about everything. It seems any new feature of sc2 is like omfg this is amazing. You were kinda like "OMFG!! HOLY SHIT!!! THE STALKER IS WALKING ON CLIFFS ITS USING ITS ABILITY HOW STRATEGIC!!!". Just gets annoying a bit. Obviously enthusiasm is great but don't let your heart rate triple at every unit ability. Otherwise pretty good commentary considering how little is know about the game As for whether you should show FP View or just handle the camera yourself, I would handle the camera yourself (like you do in SC1 replays). Do the korean proleague technique where they switch to FP view when there's something interesting to bee seen from first person (Best example would be player A proxies building in player Bs base, and you switch to play B to see if he is able to see the proxy, or if he's frantically looking around the map. That's my 2 cents, hope it helps. What made you decide to leave SC1 casting btw? Please tell me your joking. Whats annoying is your delusions of grandeur... | ||
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PeT[uK]
United States412 Posts
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Razii
United States88 Posts
Thanks for the videos and commentary! | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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Poly325
United States99 Posts
I would suggest doing a better job with understanding SC in general though, so you can talk about the theory more. for example, when you were talking about the expansions and when to take expansions, you obviously made that up on the fly. the actual case is that in SC1, in the early days, many players often went 1 base directly into aggressive attacking and harassing. But eventually, when the number of harassing options became limited and people became very good at defending, the benefit of harassing and early game aggression began to lose appeal. Terran started going FE more often (oov), zerg went into huge expansion map control phase as well (example, see how yellow and julyzerg's play style differe from the macro and management style oriented savior). That is why SC1 is often has quick expansions, and when expansions aren't quick, they are often timed to mirror a weakspot in the enemy's development. For example, as soon as DTs are out, protoss can expand if zerg doesn't have overlord speed. But in SC2, the game is still being ironed out. Early game aggression is still very powerful because neither players are sure what all the options are. Neither players are entirely sure of all the build orders, so not sure when the enemy's tech is weak, thus the best time to expand. That's the main reason why expanding early in SC2 is still not as a fine-tuned science as it is in SC1. anyways, ur commentary on that topic was bad. haha | ||
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VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
P.S. Is Idra going to b playing toss in sc2, and can we see some of him winning please...<- Idra fan here | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On February 27 2010 14:54 PeT[uK] wrote: Please tell me your joking. Whats annoying is your delusions of grandeur... Why would I be joking? Also my delusions of grandeur? lolwat? Explain Also LOL "Please don't think you're good because you hid banshees". Next best IdrA quote | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
 Pain in the ass to watch, even though there's a lot of action!! | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
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