i did my first replay commentary of Azz vs IdrA and wanted to know what people think as well as answer some general obs'ing questions for SC2:

What do you want to see as a viewer from the obs-tool bar?
does anyone know a way to hide the replay progress bar yet?
is it worth trying to zoom in on a battle, or do you think its better zoomed out?
should i just keep switching between FP views (mostly) or control the camera myself?
speed to watch the replay at?
what type of info do you care to hear about at this point in the beta?

PT1:
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PT2:
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SubtleArt

2710 Posts

February 26 2010 15:47 GMT

Nice :D watching the rep now

Alright watched the rep. Some general comments:

Stop being so over zealous about everything. It seems any new feature of sc2 is like omfg this is amazing. You were kinda like "OMFG!! HOLY SHIT!!! THE STALKER IS WALKING ON CLIFFS ITS USING ITS ABILITY HOW STRATEGIC!!!". Just gets annoying a bit. Obviously enthusiasm is great but don't let your heart rate triple at every unit ability. Otherwise pretty good commentary considering how little is know about the game

As for whether you should show FP View or just handle the camera yourself, I would handle the camera yourself (like you do in SC1 replays). Do the korean proleague technique where they switch to FP view when there's something interesting to bee seen from first person (Best example would be player A proxies building in player Bs base, and you switch to play B to see if he is able to see the proxy, or if he's frantically looking around the map.

That's my 2 cents, hope it helps.

What made you decide to leave SC1 casting btw?

ZenDeX

Philippines2916 Posts

February 26 2010 15:50 GMT

Anything you feel like.
None as of now.
Zoom in a bit during clashes. I do this sometimes and the effect is great. Make sure you rotate the camera effectively too.
Switch to FP view when nothing much is happening. Control the camera during clashes.
Watch at Fast speed. Fastest is just too much.
I don't know about the last question XD

theqat

United States2856 Posts

February 26 2010 15:52 GMT

Definitely watch at Faster--Fast is slower than the speed the game is played at, while Faster is equivalent

edahl

Norway483 Posts

February 26 2010 15:56 GMT

On February 27 2010 00:50 lolaloc wrote:
Zoom in a bit during clashes. I do this sometimes and the effect is great. Make sure you rotate the camera effectively too.

NO! NO NO NO NO NO! Don't do that! Don't do that! Refer to Vaul's DoW2 commentaries for reference of how messy that makes things look. You can barely even percieve where the battle takes place. It's just a mess. StarCraft camera is top-down for a reason. Please let 10 year experience with observer cleanliness trickle over unto SC2.

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

February 26 2010 15:56 GMT

Roooofl can't believe that dumb idea to send his collosus actually worked. idra needs to know that you don't need to click minerals/geyser to run away either. just run away they don't get all stuck anymore.

What do you want to see as a viewer from the obs-tool bar? APM. btw the non income resource thing just shows what their current bank of resources is. (unspent money)

does anyone know a way to hide the replay progress bar yet? use a watermark?

is it worth trying to zoom in on a battle, or do you think its better zoomed out? eh, maybe for specific things like worker harass on building scv where he dances behind and you need insert/delete to rotate, etc. like 1% of the time i'd say go for it.

should i just keep switching between FP views (mostly) or control the camera myself?
FP view is not that great because it's not perfect FP (no cursor etc). Doesn't matter tbh, do what you feel like. btw, V is a hotkey to switch to other person's view.

speed to watch the replay at? faster plz

what type of info do you care to hear about at this point in the beta?
doesn't matter. talk about maps imo.

wishbones

Canada2600 Posts

February 26 2010 15:58 GMT

I HOPE IDRA wins watching now~!

Puosu

6986 Posts

February 26 2010 16:01 GMT

What the fuck? How is it possible that I disagree on every single point here..

wishbones

Canada2600 Posts

February 26 2010 16:02 GMT

On February 27 2010 00:56 edahl wrote:

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If i was to make a commentary, and zoom in u wud love me for it, cus its actually quite nice if u use it properly.

Zurles

United Kingdom1659 Posts

February 26 2010 16:06 GMT

#10

I wish someone would grow some balls and learn a race besides protoss =(.

ZenDeX

Philippines2916 Posts

February 26 2010 16:09 GMT

#11

On February 27 2010 01:01 Puosu wrote:

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What the fuck? How is it possible that I disagree on every single point here..

You disagree on him using anything he feels like with the obs-tool and you know of a way to block the replay progress bar?

Neak

United Kingdom124 Posts

February 26 2010 16:13 GMT

#12

Nice commentary, keep it up!

btw lol at Idra, how typical haha

No_eL

Chile1438 Posts

February 26 2010 16:20 GMT

#13

lol at Idra.. seems to be always the same guy, even in sc2.

So sad.

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

February 26 2010 16:20 GMT

#14

fun watch and a pretty good game.. you could definitely watch at the speed people play at.

Skyze

Canada2324 Posts

February 26 2010 16:33 GMT

#15

if you guys want classic idra nerdrage, download Fayth vs Idra. Imo the #1 best replay from SC2 so far, watching him get pissed.

Sc2ggRise

United States607 Posts

February 26 2010 16:37 GMT

#16

On February 27 2010 00:47 SubtleArt wrote:What made you decide to leave SC1 casting btw?

the pro-scene started to feel like the same old stuff game after game with, for the most part, the same people on top season after season. i got bored. the foreign scene was still interesting, but i just lost the drive to do any starcraft games and so i've just been having fun playing some other games (LoL, dragonage, sc2 beta obv) and watching other people cast things like the TSL.

sc2 was able to breath some life back into me

and thanks for the feedback so far, everyone

EvilSky

Czech Republic548 Posts

February 26 2010 16:39 GMT

#17

Wait I thought Idra and Artosis are in Korea, how come they play the American ladder?

nbMifu

Brazil170 Posts

February 26 2010 16:42 GMT

#18

Depending on the stage of the game, different things from the obs-toolbar are interesting. When the players are macroing up, investing on their economy, it's useful toi have the income bar visible. When the view is outside of the player's bases, following a group of units for example, the production bar is interesting to keep track of what's going on in the base. During a massive battle the APM bar would be nice, since the players will be microing like crazy, and so on. When nothing really interesting is going on it's a good idea to change which bar is visible once in a while instead of keeping only one there. Even if there is nothing to say about them, it gives more information to the viewers.

Update: I forgot to say welcome back Rise! Sc2 is a lot of fun now, with crazy strategies and new things going on, so I think you'll have fun :D