One annoying thing about SC2 AI - Page 4

On February 28 2010 09:51 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Dumb feature then But I seriously refuse to believe that I've had control pressed every single time my scout scv turns around and attacks =[

On February 26 2010 03:54 Xeris wrote:
Here's one thing that really bugs me about the AI in SC2. Let's say I'm playing PvP and I build my first zealot and I'm thinking "hey time to go harass his probes a bit", so I right click move my zealot to the other guy's base. Everything is fine and dandy.

But then... my zealot sees the other guy's probe and he IMMEDIATELY goes to chase it. Even when I use the move command instead of A+Move, he ALWAYS chases shit. WHY?!

Or another example, my zealot is already in the guy's base, and I see he has another zealot out so I want to just run away after I've killed 1-2 probes. I right click move back to my main base and he starts running, then a second later he just goes to attack the other guy's zealot again.

This aspect of the AI is really annoying. I know it's probably in place to fix the newb mistake of right click moving instead of A moving and losing all your shit (like newbs do in BW) - but seriously it's so annoying... it makes microing even more difficult.

Am I the only one who is really really annoyed by this?

On February 26 2010 03:56 koreasilver wrote:
It's seriously retarded that the units do that now. Along with the whole prioritizing attacking workers over attack units.

??????

I have no idea what they were thinking.

On March 01 2010 21:22 LaLuSh wrote:


I was 99% sure I wasn't pressing control too. But two days ago, since I became aware of the ctrl-issue, I started paying attention and:

As a bw player you tend to re-hotkey your units alot while moving them around. It's just an unconscious habit alot of us seem to have. Even though they're already hotkeyed to a key, we'll ctrl+number it anyway repeatedly to make sure. Repeatdely, over and over again. I caught myself doing this all the time with probes/drones/scvs and lings running around in the opponent's base.

Especially when it comes to scouting drones/zerglings/zealots, you tend to first send them on a move command and then afterwards hotkey them while they're moving. As far as I can tell merely hotkeying your unit is enough to change it from a move to an attack command. So with the scouting drones/probes/scvs I always spam move a couple of extra times after I've hotkeyed them.

I think it's something that can be unlearned. But it would be easier if Blizzard would just switch this functionality to the shift key or something. This happens way too often when you for an example try to split your lings into two groups while running away, and NO ONE seems to be using ctrl click the way blizzard seems to have envisioned us using it.

On March 01 2010 20:56 Disarray wrote:
if you look at the commands being issued, you can see move move move then several attacks

On March 01 2010 21:22 LaLuSh wrote:


I was 99% sure I wasn't pressing control too. But two days ago, since I became aware of the ctrl-issue, I started paying attention and:

As a bw player you tend to re-hotkey your units alot while moving them around. It's just an unconscious habit alot of us seem to have. Even though they're already hotkeyed to a key, we'll ctrl+number it anyway repeatedly to make sure. Repeatdely, over and over again. I caught myself doing this all the time with probes/drones/scvs and lings running around in the opponent's base.

Especially when it comes to scouting drones/zerglings/zealots, you tend to first send them on a move command and then afterwards hotkey them while they're moving. As far as I can tell merely hotkeying your unit is enough to change it from a move to an attack command. So with the scouting drones/probes/scvs I always spam move a couple of extra times after I've hotkeyed them.

I think it's something that can be unlearned. But it would be easier if Blizzard would just switch this functionality to the shift key or something. This happens way too often when you for an example try to split your lings into two groups while running away, and NO ONE seems to be using ctrl click the way blizzard seems to have envisioned us using it.

On March 01 2010 17:53 Mystlord wrote:
I haven't encountered this bug where my units suddenly are on attack move instead of just move. That might just be me though.

As for whoever keeps on saying that workers are prioritized over other units, they're not. All units have the same prioritization - 20. The ONLY thing that I've seen that doesn't have a prioritization of 20 is a building, which has a value of 11. Unit behavior tree is: Counterattack -> target nearest unit -> target nearest building. Essentially.

@Louder: I haven't found such a serious problem with the micro or macro mechanics. The macro mechanics actually make the game more layered since they're not just basic resource boosters. Players are forced to make a choice (less so with Terran, but whatever) as to what to do with their macro mechanics.

As for "removing nearly all benefits to terrain advantages", unit positioning is still vital. Everything still works on the principle of surface area, and terrain still works around that principle, regardless of auto-surround or whatever.

I also haven't seen too much issue with target reprioritization, but if it's really throwing off target queuing, then I think it'll take all of one patch to make the code only run when the attack-move command is given rather than just a-click or shift-click.

On March 02 2010 02:04 Louder wrote:


If you re-read my post you'll see I didn't actually complain about the macro mechanics. Tons of other people HAVE found the same serious issues with micro I have, I'm not just ranting about imaginary issues

On March 01 2010 17:35 Louder wrote:


Hope in one hand, shit in the other, as the saying goes. I think they've failed COMPLETELY at creating a competitive level game in terms of AI and micro mechanics. I have defended their simplifications to macro since they were announced on the basis that it would open up more opportunity for precisely executed tactics with more dedicated micro. But that worked on the presumption that micro would at the very least remain an option to the extent it was in Starcraft.

But they've removed nearly all benefits to terrain advantages, they've added auto surrounding, auto targeting of workers, AI based target reprioritization (to the extent you can't shift queue targets, for example, and things sometimes randomly drop assigned focus to hit something else), etc, and completely removed what made up the bulk of Starcraft's micro depth for the sake of newbie friendliness. And worse, they act surprised when this complaint is voiced, as if they don't even understand how what we're describing COULD be a problem.

I could care less what balance changes are made in the beta. They can balance it as perfectly as Starcraft by the time for the 1.0 release, and if they don't fix micro, as far as I'm concerned the game is a failure in both the spirit of Starcraft Broodware and in practice as a competitive RTS.

But yes, let's hope it's just a bug.

On March 02 2010 02:40 ArC_man wrote:
The move attack is one of my problems too =/.

Another one for me (even though it's NOT a bug and it's completely fine, I'm just a twitchy spammer) is when I want to do 1 a+click and im chasing someone (targeting a specific enemy unit I'm chasing for example), I accidentally do 11 a+click and the screen shifts back to the center to my units and I target my own unit and I'm like "FML!".

On March 02 2010 02:24 Mystlord wrote:



Well I thought it was a negative reaction to the macro mechanics