EPTSC 2 will replace SC in progame scene? - Page 2
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
On February 22 2010 02:47 LuDwig- wrote: 2)the game is too fast. The obs have no time to think, every battle finish in like 10 seconds what's your opinion? not entirely true, if you micro properly battles actually take some time (eg marauders vs zealots) | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
No logical holes in that one, right? | ||
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Anzat
United States90 Posts
In 1 year, BroodWar will be what Warcraft 2 is today, played by extremely loyal(in a demented way) people and/or people with shitty computers Exactly. There will be no such thing as an SC1 progamer once SC2 comes out. There won't be a significant audience for it, so nobody will waste money sponsoring televised tournaments or pro teams. Every progaming team will be busting their asses to become the best at SC2 as fast as they can. | ||
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Ojahh
Ireland728 Posts
A few years back the sport "Sceleton" was invented, its like sledding, but with your head first, the first few world champions, were former Sledding pro's how trained the new way, by now there has grown a whole generation of pros, who never did anything else than Sceleton. It will be the same with SC, there will tournaments for a year, or maybe 2, but in the end there are going to be 16 Year old Progamer who never played SC intensively. and the young fans of these Pro's are the target group, for the marketing of the Tournament Sponsors. I'm sorry guys, I know you feel like you are dumbing your girl after 12 years for a prettier one, but life is life  You have my respect though for trying to stay faithful  | ||
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Krisban
Slovenia4 Posts
SC2 is still in the 1st week of the beta... the 1st week. Of course the game isn`t polished, even SC1 wasn`t polished in the beginning. I mean vanilla SC1 wasn`t balanced, it took a expansion, which added crucial units like medics, lurkers, dts and other, to make it balanced and even then they had to put out several patches over a year to get the balanced perfection that is SC Brood War. So crying over a game that is still IN DEVELOPMENT is pointless. | ||
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Craton
United States17247 Posts
On February 22 2010 03:14 zergpower123 wrote: You start with 6 workers now right? They need to make it back to 4-5. Also maybe tone down some of damage as buildings get destroyed so quickly!! If they can do even little things like this, it will be really good. SC2 looks amazing and some of the replay features are awesome I do find it weird that so many things get bonus "siege" damage, as if this were WC3. | ||
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zee
201 Posts
Fast battles are entertaining. Besides units died fast in BW too. Observers didnt have a problem there. Im pretty sure they can handle it. What youre suggesting is to make the game more dumbed down and make it require less skills, not make it better. | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
Also you are right about the game speed. It's a much better competitive game if they slow it down by about half. That way you can see who is really the better player. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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Xaroya
16 Posts
On February 22 2010 02:47 LuDwig- wrote: Ok this issue has been discussed over and over and over and... But now we can speak with some more valid arguments. I have just observed some replays and in my opinion SC2 will never replace SC. Why? The reasons are mainly 2: 1) The game screen is just too low. You can't have a good vision of the battlefield and this just sucks while observing (it is not good also playing too) 2)the game is too fast. The obs have no time to think, every battle finish in like 10 seconds ( BONUS ARGUMENT:3)This is too way easy. This add-on argument hop in my mind when i see that a hatchery,nexus an cc has two rp (worker and unit). So you need like 1% control you needed in sc) what's your opinion? I think it's so unfair that Zerg units spawn at the same building while P & T have to look for them all over the place!! Back 2 Topic, how can you compare like 100 hours experience at a completely new game with a decade of playing, watching replays, learning tactics, micro and macro? Sure SC2 plays in the Starcraft universe. It even has some of the units you had in SCBW. But it is a new game. Actually, it's not even the FINAL version which will be burned on millions of DVDs. "Beta" as in Zealots could be removed and Lurkers readded when the game is released. | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
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nbMifu
Brazil170 Posts
On February 22 2010 02:47 LuDwig- wrote: 1) The game screen is just too low. You can't have a good vision of the battlefield and this just sucks while observing (it is not good also playing too) what's your opinion? I thought the same. But then I increased the screen resolution. | ||
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Craton
United States17247 Posts
On February 22 2010 03:00 Narwhal wrote: Agree with Shade, will be (i'm guessing) atleast a year after vanillia. I think the foreign scene will be doing SC2 related tournaments and such before korea starts to change, it's strange though because idk about you guys but after watching ppl stream SC2 , BW seems pretty boring. I'm the opposite, at the moment. I find SC2 streams fairly boring, but BW streams still very interesting. It's too hard to tell what will ultimately happen because there's too much nebulous area. It's going to take time for people to learn SC2 in order to watch it and for strategies and balance to properly emerge. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
starcraft 2 is not going to be nearly as good as starcraft first of all, starcraft was mega balanced starcraft 2, there is no way in hell this shit is balanced. i mean, i don't have the beta, but what with the development team making so many big changes this late in the game, makes me think they aren't sure at all about all the balancing. there is definitely going to be a superior race in sc2 not to mention starcraft 2 is not going to spread like brood war did. this shit requires good computers, a whole new copy with cd key, and is more complex and there are more reasons, but i'll just stop here btw, does everyone notice that only older teenage guys sit in the sudden attack crowd, while there are much more crazy fangirls in sc crowds? FPS is becoming more dominate these days, and nobody knows what starcraft is, while fucking everybody was crazy about modern warfare 2. everything is different, its just not gonna be like brood war | ||
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movmou
United States142 Posts
On February 22 2010 06:48 yomi wrote: Well I definitely agree that SC2 takes about 1% of the APM of SC1 because of having two rally points. Also you are right about the game speed. It's a much better competitive game if they slow it down by about half. That way you can see who is really the better player. So you're honestly telling me 99% of APM in SC was setting RALLY POINTS? Come on now, some of the statements in this thread are down right stupid. | ||
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nbMifu
Brazil170 Posts
On February 22 2010 07:37 Nal_rAwr wrote: uhhhhhhh no. starcraft 2 is not going to be nearly as good as starcraft first of all, starcraft was mega balanced starcraft 2, there is no way in hell this shit is balanced. i mean, i don't have the beta, but what with the development team making so many big changes this late in the game, makes me think they aren't sure at all about all the balancing. there is definitely going to be a superior race in sc2 not to mention starcraft 2 is not going to spread like brood war did. this shit requires good computers, a whole new copy with cd key, and is more complex and there are more reasons, but i'll just stop here btw, does everyone notice that only older teenage guys sit in the sudden attack crowd, while there are much more crazy fangirls in sc crowds? FPS is becoming more dominate these days, and nobody knows what starcraft is, while fucking everybody was crazy about modern warfare 2. everything is different, its just not gonna be like brood war But Nal_rAwr, SC1 took many years to get balanced. We all expect sc2 to be unbalanced for a while, with new abuses being discovered and patched. Also, Sc2 has a lot of quality customization. SC2 in low quality is not that demanding. Edit: spelling error | ||
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movmou
United States142 Posts
On February 22 2010 07:37 Nal_rAwr wrote: uhhhhhhh no. starcraft 2 is not going to be nearly as good as starcraft first of all, starcraft was mega balanced starcraft 2, there is no way in hell this shit is balanced. i mean, i don't have the beta, but what with the development team making so many big changes this late in the game, makes me think they aren't sure at all about all the balancing. there is definitely going to be a superior race in sc2 not to mention starcraft 2 is not going to spread like brood war did. this shit requires good computers, a whole new copy with cd key, and is more complex and there are more reasons, but i'll just stop here btw, does everyone notice that only older teenage guys sit in the sudden attack crowd, while there are much more crazy fangirls in sc crowds? FPS is becoming more dominate these days, and nobody knows what starcraft is, while fucking everybody was crazy about modern warfare 2. everything is different, its just not gonna be like brood war 1) you're honestly going to tell me SC was balanced from the get go, let alone the dev team didn't make any changes from beta to release? Come on man, do some research. 2) Give computers 11 years after the launch of SC2 and I'll bet you everything will be able to run it on ultra 3) Since SC2 Beta has come out (and has been approaching) I've talked about it in school with a few friends and I was shocked at the amount of kids who chimed in when overhearing us, saying they loved SC and can't wait for SC2. I'm sure SC2 will have no problem moving units (at least in the US) | ||
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Simple
United States801 Posts
the gameplay in 2002 is vastly different from the gameplay in 2010. the mechanics, the speed - its the same game in hugely different worlds wait for the release, give it some time, then reevaluate your position on something thats only been out for a few days | ||
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yumy
Germany17 Posts
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