• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:47
CET 10:47
KST 18:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?
Tourneys
https://www.facebook.com/Liver.Complex.UK/ WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast How much money terran looses from gas steal? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which mirror match you like most or least? Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Cricket [SPORT] 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5228 users

SC 2 will replace SC in progame scene? - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
nMn
Profile Joined February 2009
United States144 Posts
February 22 2010 05:28 GMT
#81
On February 22 2010 12:04 starcraft911 wrote:
I have 250-290 apm with my SC1 terran and i think the game feels faster than sc1. With units like reapers and being able to warp protoss units in various places there leaves a lot of windows open for very cute play which will make amazing highlight reels. I think you're totally wrong and it will in fact replace SC1.... I think we just need for some time to let people get used to the game and wait for the gosus to appear..



If you start a custom game on fast instead of faster, the attack/move speed and production speed of old units (overlord, zealots, etc) feels almost identical to SC1. The game is actually faster, its not just you.
Elec
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada136 Posts
February 22 2010 05:48 GMT
#82
On February 22 2010 14:28 nMn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2010 12:04 starcraft911 wrote:
I have 250-290 apm with my SC1 terran and i think the game feels faster than sc1. With units like reapers and being able to warp protoss units in various places there leaves a lot of windows open for very cute play which will make amazing highlight reels. I think you're totally wrong and it will in fact replace SC1.... I think we just need for some time to let people get used to the game and wait for the gosus to appear..



If you start a custom game on fast instead of faster, the attack/move speed and production speed of old units (overlord, zealots, etc) feels almost identical to SC1. The game is actually faster, its not just you.


this could actually end up making players better in sc1
if u think of sc2 being the same speed as sc1 and can keep up like u did in sc1

then chances r when u go back to sc1 it will feel alot easier to do things, no?

grr wheres my beta key
Yellow Shinny VW beetle with # plate R3AV3R
caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
February 22 2010 06:50 GMT
#83
On February 22 2010 14:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 22 2010 10:40 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2010 03:10 UmmTheHobo wrote:
1) The game screen is just too low. You can't have a good vision of the battlefield and this just sucks while observing (it is not good also playing too)


I actually think it is about the same as BW, the buildings just seem to take up more space since you see them all from different perspectives since its 3d where as in BW you saw them all from one.

2)the game is too fast. The obs have no time to think, every battle finish in like 10 seconds


I agree with this one, the hard counters in this game are a bit too hard and there are to many of them, in BW it was mostly soft counters or hard counters if microed the right way. I think the BW way was better.


What's wrong with hard counters? I think it makes the game more strategic and scouting much more important. Everything in this game are viable unlike in bw in which only a few units are really needed. No longer can you say "if I learn how to make and control marines and medics, against mutas and lurkers, I am good in 90% of all TvZ games." The game becomes much more unpredictable and rewarding to creativity.


Hell yah!

I had a game where I went fast Mothership off two base PvT and eventually I lost everything to tanks/thors/marauders, so since I remembered I had a fleet beacon I went back and made two extra stargates, went for carriers, and then got a 2nd mothership to vortex units in and out so my carriers sustained less damage to take out the Thor's.

Or like when someone proxy gates you it is possible to defend even on 1 gate (to get a 2nd later) by getting a fast sentry and letting it build up energy while microing vs a larger number of zealots (2 zealots & 1 sentry vs. 3 zealots is do-able, but tough)... in the long-run you can stall by force-fielding your ramp to keep them out or split the forces with force field to even the playing field.

A lot of the strategy in this game isn't so much about learning how to use control groups properly, but to know what works best when and what unit combination will be inneffective, slightly effective, and very effective against whatever your opponent is doing.

The point of the hard counters is to force a tech switch which everybody can do. It's the same concept as going 2 gate reaver --> carrier vs a Terran. They now have to devote more resources to getting goliaths, making it a hard counter, but now theres new tactics to go with these counters.

You're just not playing yet (not the guy I quoted directly) so you're not noticing the softer counters in the game.


I'm checking the replay thread now, if its not there i will cry

Live, laugh, love
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-22 10:41:01
February 22 2010 10:40 GMT
#84
i dont agree with this whole sc1 will be like warcraft 2 is now within a year

the replay value of sc1 is very much higher than that of war2 , war2 ums are basically non existant for example.
Once again back is the incredible!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9034 Posts
February 22 2010 10:45 GMT
#85
Can't play SC1 and Bnet 1.0 forever...
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
February 22 2010 11:02 GMT
#86
I don't agree with the notion that SC2 will instantly kill BW. Did source kill 1.6? Did Brawl kill melee? Did quake 4 kill quake 3? etc.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
February 22 2010 11:29 GMT
#87
On February 22 2010 20:02 writer22816 wrote:
I don't agree with the notion that SC2 will instantly kill BW. Did source kill 1.6? Did Brawl kill melee? Did quake 4 kill quake 3? etc.



exactly what i was thinking. sc2 will have its own progaming scene and sc1 will keep its current progaming scene. it will not replace anything and more then likely the current pros over in korea stick to sc1 without ever going to sc2 because there more comfortable with sc1. sc2 is after all a almost completly diffrent game in terms of strategy making and unit composition. old builds in sc1 will not work in sc2 most of the time. so most pro players will just stick to what they know instead of going to something diffrent.

but at the same time im confident sc2 will get its own scene with completely different range of pro gamers dedicated to sc2. and who knows we still might even get some familiar faces from sc1 veterans to switch over to sc2 aswell.
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
February 22 2010 11:31 GMT
#88
On February 22 2010 20:02 writer22816 wrote:
I don't agree with the notion that SC2 will instantly kill BW. Did source kill 1.6? Did Brawl kill melee? Did quake 4 kill quake 3? etc.


This.
1.6 is infinitely more popular than source and has a competitive scene behind it while source doesn't.
I don't know too much about brawl/melee but everyone I've talked to said melee is a lot better for competitive.

I personally think SC:BW will never die and SC2 will never make it big in korea, but hey, who knows?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 155
OGKoka 143
ProTech132
SortOf 101
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3069
Bisu 1105
hero 289
Light 90
EffOrt 89
Hm[arnc] 73
Backho 66
ToSsGirL 66
Soulkey 49
Rush 36
[ Show more ]
sSak 28
NotJumperer 26
sorry 26
Bale 25
Sharp 24
ZergMaN 21
Shinee 18
Nal_rA 12
GoRush 10
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
canceldota68
League of Legends
JimRising 417
Reynor44
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss980
olofmeister973
kennyS355
Other Games
singsing1154
ceh9623
Liquid`RaSZi539
Happy245
Fuzer 118
Mew2King83
Livibee81
crisheroes42
Sick31
ZerO(Twitch)0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream68
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH319
• LUISG 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
13m
KCM Race Survival
13m
WardiTV Team League
2h 13m
BASILISK vs Team Liquid
OSC
2h 13m
OSC
8h 13m
Replay Cast
14h 13m
WardiTV Team League
1d 2h
Big Brain Bouts
1d 7h
Fjant vs SortOf
YoungYakov vs Krystianer
Reynor vs HeRoMaRinE
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Platinum Heroes Events
2 days
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-25
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.