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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
1) Div. 7 - Artosis 1490 117-39 2) Div. 2 - KiWiKaKi 1385 100-13 3) Div. 6 - Columns 1322 56-13 4) Div. 5 - Louder 1312 75-23 5) Div. 4 - dayvie 1249 96-5 6) Div. 3 - GnoMEy 1228 57-7 7) Div. 1 - prayanavita 1227 70-18 8) Div. 8 - Tasteless 1113 30-15 6 StarCraft players 1 WarCraft 3 player 1 who the hell is gnomey? sc fighting^.^;; | ||
RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
and yeah who the hell is GnoMEy o_o | ||
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AkobeS
Sweden25 Posts
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Iliyan
Croatia35 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:02 FrozenArbiter wrote: David Kim would have to be counted as either both WC3 and SC or as SC2 only I think ;P he was a known sc1 player first thx! | ||
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phrixus
China143 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:04 phrixus wrote: how does that break down by race a lot of them probably play random | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
artosis tasteless protoss: kiwikaki columns louder dunno others. ill check later. gotta nap for tsl lolZ~ | ||
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BlackYoshi
United States84 Posts
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
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Iliyan
Croatia35 Posts
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NonY
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Liquid`Nazgul
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otmar
Australia11 Posts
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So no fek
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:19 Liquid`NonY wrote: david kim is random I wonder if his 5 loses are as Terran. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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ChaosSmurf
United Kingdom175 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
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Zhek
Canada342 Posts
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
aka. david kim is paid to have fun 96-5 what the hellll he's like #1, i want him vs Artosis lol | ||
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)Is(Honest
Korea (South)417 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: my division 6 europe league has 7 players O.O to bad man U,U we would love to watch you play | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On February 21 2010 02:15 )Is(Honest wrote: my internet was dropping first 10 games so b.net put me in copper division. how do i move?? By winning. | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On February 21 2010 02:15 )Is(Honest wrote: my internet was dropping first 10 games so b.net put me in copper division. how do i move?? LOL wtf? copper division? | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
Good to see the usuals up top. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
Dan how are you so high elo? 95% of my games I get 1-5 points lucky finds for me get 6-12 lol | ||
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deadlydragoon
United States63 Posts
Just saw him live on GGtemplars Channel -->"gotta go cast TSL" as he leaves haha | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:00 Louder wrote: I went 1-1 with kiwikaki. He copied my game one build and beat me with it game two while I experimented :X Dan how are you so high elo? 95% of my games I get 1-5 points lucky finds for me get 6-12 lolPossibly because his division is very active and are reaching their true Elo ranks faster. You might be playing people who are awesome but just have low Elo because they haven't played much. | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:06 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey if you are in gold league, can you work your way up to platinum? You just need to throw away a proton. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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gondolin
France332 Posts
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KeeN
Canada82 Posts
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Puosu
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On February 21 2010 03:17 gondolin wrote: Hom come David Kim's Elo is so small with the record he has? Because he has been getting games against people with inferior elo, makes sense as the beta still has very limited player base so he may get matched against very bad players from time to time and thus not get much more points. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:17 Artosis wrote: the division u are in has absolutely 0 to do with who you play. wait what? now i am confused. does that mean u can play against all other players from the same league (i.e. platin, gold, silver, etc.) but u are ranked only with people from your division (i.e. platin 1, platin 2, platin 3,..). and furthermore the top placed players of each division in platin will have some playoff tournament it seems? | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:24 Puosu wrote: Because he has been getting games against people with inferior elo, makes sense as the beta still has very limited player base so he may get matched against very bad players from time to time and thus not get much more points. Also because the elo resets: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113009 | ||
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Siccles
Germany10 Posts
(if there is interest for the replay I`ll upload it, just tell me where I can find it on my pc) (be gentle --- first post) | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: my division 6 europe league has 7 players I was wondering, have they started inviting people from beta opt-in in Europe yet? It looks like they are only inviting ppl that has a blizzcon key or ppl that are important to sc community | ||
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abyss
Czech Republic139 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Puosu
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On February 21 2010 03:35 mmdmmd wrote: I was wondering, have they started inviting people from beta opt-in in Europe yet? It looks like they are only inviting ppl that has a blizzcon key or ppl that are important to sc community Opt-ins were sent to europeans as well, possibly even more than US because not as many people have Blizzcon keys here. | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:38 ret wrote: who cares about us divisions EU is where all the skill is at.. DAVID WHO? hahaha My thoughts exactly. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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tabako
United States35 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:34 Siccles wrote: Ive just managed to beat dayvie in a pvt and thereby am now #1 in platinum division 2 :-) (if there is interest for the replay I`ll upload it, just tell me where I can find it on my pc) (be gentle --- first post) I am interested. C:\Users\USER_NAME\Documents\StarCraft II Beta\Replays Should be in one of the subfolders of that location ("Recent", I think). Sort by date and upload it thanks! | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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prayanavita
Hong Kong86 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:42 Ash wrote: Heh Tasteless is protoss? He played Protoss against me Played random vs me... | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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amanet
Croatia334 Posts
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geno
United States1404 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:42 Ash wrote: Heh Tasteless is protoss? He played Protoss against me I'm in his division, his profile shows most wins as random. | ||
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Siccles
Germany10 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:45 tabako wrote: I am interested. C:\Users\USER_NAME\Documents\StarCraft II Beta\Replays Should be in one of the subfolders of that location ("Recent", I think). Sort by date and upload it thanks! [url blocked] here it is, have fun | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:45 HazMat wrote: Do the top 10 players get moved up a division every period of time or do they need to get some ammount of points to get moved up? The divisions are parallel, so no division is 'higher' than any other division within the same league. | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
prayanavita was Terran when I played against him | ||
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Feefee
Canada556 Posts
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micronesia
United States24682 Posts
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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Nabuch
Czech Republic9 Posts
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MagisterMan
Sweden525 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 21 2010 04:44 MagisterMan wrote: mouzKolll is #1 in my division (division 3 silver league on Europe) My money is going to be on Kolll for top SC2 player in the Beta ;o | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
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SultanVinegar
United States372 Posts
On February 21 2010 05:04 Tsagacity wrote: Why the hell is Koll in silver league? :S It's hard to stack mutas in SC2. | ||
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MagisterMan
Sweden525 Posts
On February 21 2010 05:04 Tsagacity wrote: Why the hell is Koll in silver league? :S Dunno... his stats are 42-20, 1531 points | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:45 HazMat wrote: Do the top 10 players get moved up a division every period of time or do they need to get some ammount of points to get moved up? I don't know for sure, but it looks like they get moved after a certain amount of time? Because people at the top of the divisions below platinum look like they have many more ELO points then anybody else. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On February 21 2010 05:32 lac29 wrote: Are the Asians/Koreans in a totally separate league? And if so, does anyone have the rankings for their leagues? different leagues for eu, us, asia, etc | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
zeppelin 1166 31-16 | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
how does this joke not get more love? | ||
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Shinjikun
Hungary55 Posts
The Internet doesn't like smartasses. | ||
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ploy
United States416 Posts
For some reason I was under the impression that they went in order of rating... ie division 1 being the most competitive.. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Because proton decay hasn't been observed experimentally yet. | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:38 ret wrote: who cares about us divisions EU is where all the skill is at.. DAVID WHO? So true.. | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:26 Teejing wrote: wow i guess i have to stop visiting Tl, because not having beta is breaking me. :r | ||
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pencilcase
United States330 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2922 Posts
Who are all these guys anyway? 1) Div. 7 - Artosis - obvious 2) Div. 2 - KiWiKaKi - Is this the Canadian Kiwi? 3) Div. 6 - Columns - ? 4) Div. 5 - Louder - obvious 5) Div. 4 - dayvie - David Kim 6) Div. 3 - GnoMEy - ? 7) Div. 1 - prayanavita - Dutch old school++ sc player (also did great in beginnings of W3) 8) Div. 8 - Tasteless - obvious | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:15 Wr3k wrote: Are any of those zergs? I'm 10th in div 5 as Z and 4 of the top 5 are protoss in my division. I'm kinda boggled as to why protoss is so popular. It seriously seems like I fight 3 protoss per terran or zerg (not that that is a bad thing, most of them get rolled when I build 4-6 roaches and then swap to speedlings when they make stalkers). Yeah its so annoying, especially how bad pvp is in the beta (nerf zealots in pvp) Last 10 games I've played 6 protoss 2 zergs 2 terran. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:07 pencilcase wrote: Pretty sure I remember Bluewolf being good at SC in the early years? Or are you talking about WC2? Louder just got passed by Bluewolf. One more WC player and one less SC player. I thought this was a WC3 vs SC thing | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:13 BlackYoshi wrote: Holy shit at David Kim being 96-5 Doesn't surprise me considering hes been playing the game for 2 years, but he is quite good. I got manhandled by him twice, once with stalker micro, and the other time he dropped my main with M&M and totally shat on me because I didn't have hydras. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On February 21 2010 00:56 Artosis wrote: here is the Platinum division leader ranking list: 1) Div. 7 - Artosis 1490 117-39 2) Div. 2 - KiWiKaKi 1385 100-13 3) Div. 6 - Columns 1322 56-13 4) Div. 5 - Louder 1312 75-23 5) Div. 4 - dayvie 1249 96-5 6) Div. 3 - GnoMEy 1228 57-7 7) Div. 1 - prayanavita 1227 70-18 8) Div. 8 - Tasteless 1113 30-15 6 StarCraft players 1 WarCraft 3 player 1 who the hell is gnomey? sc fighting^.^;; There are 0 good north American war3 players (no offense to kiwi obv, shortround's the only who ever managed to do anything besides get rolled over), EU and Asia servers would be infinitely more interesting. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:20 Smorrie wrote: w00t for Praya : D Who are all these guys anyway? 1) Div. 7 - Artosis - obvious 2) Div. 2 - KiWiKaKi - Is this the Canadian Kiwi? 3) Div. 6 - Columns - ? 4) Div. 5 - Louder - obvious 5) Div. 4 - dayvie - David Kim 6) Div. 3 - GnoMEy - ? 7) Div. 1 - prayanavita - Dutch old school++ sc player (also did great in beginnings of W3) 8) Div. 8 - Tasteless - obvious Columns = Pillars, ex SC1 gosu Gnomey... no idea | ||
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
3) Div. 6 - Columns - ? Pillars said he is Columns in another thread. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:39 Jyvblamo wrote: Columns = Pillars, ex SC1 gosu Gnomey... no idea oh wow thats interesting wonder what's the deal with him and his nicknames though... but I guess he has evolved now, just like starcraft units vultures -> hellions wraiths -> banshees pillars -> columns | ||
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
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lFrost
United States295 Posts
On February 21 2010 08:30 Jyvblamo wrote: Because proton decay hasn't been observed experimentally yet. but positron emission and electron capture has which amounts to the same thing. | ||
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:22 HazMat wrote: Yeah its so annoying, especially how bad pvp is in the beta (nerf zealots in pvp) Last 10 games I've played 6 protoss 2 zergs 2 terran. sounds just like ICCUP | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 21 2010 05:29 Bosu wrote: I don't know for sure, but it looks like they get moved after a certain amount of time? Because people at the top of the divisions below platinum look like they have many more ELO points then anybody else. I'm really starting to not get divisons It's like, I see people in Gold Division with 1400 pts which would put you near the top of the platinum division I'm in. What the hell is their purpose? If it's just to make people think "oh I'm ranked #10!!" then that's fucking retarded - I want to see where I'm ranked overall and I want to be able to see who is at the top -_- Is there a need for some seasons to pass before the system becomes accurate? I just don't get it ;p | ||
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ploy
United States416 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: I'm really starting to not get divisons It's like, I see people in Gold Division with 1400 pts which would put you near the top of the platinum division I'm in. What the hell is their purpose? If it's just to make people think "oh I'm ranked #10!!" then that's fucking retarded - I want to see where I'm ranked overall and I want to be able to see who is at the top -_- Is there a need for some seasons to pass before the system becomes accurate? I just don't get it ;p I don't have a beta key, so I'm only drawing on what I've watched of streams/screen shots/blizz con, but as far as the 1400 ELO in Gold League being higher than platinum league leaders thing goes, I think that the ELO rating is not an absolute ELO of the entire BNet population, but rather an ELO for those within their respective leagues. Since there are more plays in Gold League, it is to be expected that the highest rated players have higher ELOs than those in a smaller league, for example Platinum. Similarly, if I am not mistaken, all players start out at 1000 ELO, regardless of what league they start in, but that of course does not mean that they are rated as equals. From this analysis, I would then postulate that the purpose of the leagues is to separate players into group of similar skill level for ladder play (as one would assume), and that the ten placement games you play are probably much more accurate at placing players than many people are currently assuming, causing very few players to need to me moved between leagues. (In ideal condition it would pinpoint your skill to within .1% of the total population of players. This is more likely in practice closer to 1% or 2%, but with five leagues, you just have to be within 20% to get into the right league.) + Show Spoiler + Note that if any of the assumptions I make are wrong then what I'm saying makes no sense. I'm basing this on limited beta information, info from blizz con and my knowledge of statistics and competitive ranking systems. So if you play ladder games with people in different leagues or you don't start at 1000 ELO or whatever, tell me that I'm a stupid noob with no beta key and I should shut up. If this is the case, I apologize in advance. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: I think the rating is league specific, so a 1400 gold would get reset to 1000 if he moved up to plat. I'm really starting to not get divisons It's like, I see people in Gold Division with 1400 pts which would put you near the top of the platinum division I'm in. What the hell is their purpose? If it's just to make people think "oh I'm ranked #10!!" then that's fucking retarded - I want to see where I'm ranked overall and I want to be able to see who is at the top -_- Is there a need for some seasons to pass before the system becomes accurate? I just don't get it ;p What I don't get is how Dayvie is ~95-5 and only at 1200. There seem to be weird things going on with the rating between different divisions. Maybe there's that weird rating loss stuff going on? Like the game tries to move him up to "pro" but that league doesn't exist so he just gets a point reset? =/ | ||
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Roxen000
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bdschuss
United States46 Posts
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On February 21 2010 12:55 FrozenArbiter wrote: I'm really starting to not get divisons It's like, I see people in Gold Division with 1400 pts which would put you near the top of the platinum division I'm in. What the hell is their purpose? If it's just to make people think "oh I'm ranked #10!!" then that's fucking retarded - I want to see where I'm ranked overall and I want to be able to see who is at the top -_- Is there a need for some seasons to pass before the system becomes accurate? I just don't get it ;p The point of divisions (atleast theoretically) are a couple of things. First, so it gives people a reachable goal. Obviously if you're competing against 10000 other people, its pointless to try to be one of the top people, but if you're simply competing against 50, more than possible. Blizzard has stated they would have end season tournaments where the top 8 or so of each division and the person who won that would go on to compete the other winners of the other divisions. Second, its so people don't have to mass games to be in one of the top spots which is what happens in wc3 ladder. Those are two points I remember blizzard saying when they were discussing this, perhaps there are more, we'll see how it works out. | ||
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nMn
United States144 Posts
If you get moved up a division, it should be because some algorithm thought -hey this guy is playing above his skill division, we should move him so it doesn't unbalance gold or silver or whatever and make it unfair for the rest of the people-. Whether or not its actually working properly, eh I guess thats up for speculation. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:51 starcraft911 wrote: I wonder if Columns is my buddy Pillars. He is, he already said in another thread. | ||
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CaioKuRt
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 21 2010 13:31 ejac wrote: The point of divisions (atleast theoretically) are a couple of things. First, so it gives people a reachable goal. Obviously if you're competing against 10000 other people, its pointless to try to be one of the top people, but if you're simply competing against 50, more than possible. Blizzard has stated they would have end season tournaments where the top 8 or so of each division and the person who won that would go on to compete the other winners of the other divisions. Second, its so people don't have to mass games to be in one of the top spots which is what happens in wc3 ladder. Those are two points I remember blizzard saying when they were discussing this, perhaps there are more, we'll see how it works out. That's fine, now give me a total rank as well - I mean, I'm already playing with people from outside my divison so there's nothing stopping them from having an overall ranking as well. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
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mysticism
Canada124 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On February 21 2010 15:16 Bosu wrote: It seems like its very hard to go up from gold to platinum since you get so few ELO points. Wish I could redo the placement games :p I feel like 4/5 people I play don't have solid build orders so I am not learning a lot from replays. From watching the Platinum matches it's the same thing there too. Don't worry, it's early, and people are experimenting (Although by watching many of the SC1 players seems they totally forgot all the skills from SC1..../shrug). | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
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ManWithCheese
Canada246 Posts
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Mazar
United States135 Posts
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nMn
United States144 Posts
Division 7 - Artosis - 1490 Division 6 - Response - 1367 | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
I'm gaining on you all in division 2 btw | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 21 2010 16:25 Smuft wrote: Yeah, colussus can be hit by AtA. Corruptors vs colossus are hilarious :S (20 damage per vs. massive)what do you mean fayth? air to air like the phoenix can hit collosus? I'm gaining on you all in division 2 btw Edit: What's the highest rating gain any of you have gotten from a single win today? I'm averaging about 6 per at the moment (got 12 once) =/ Seems like a lot of mass games are required at the moment. | ||
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nMn
United States144 Posts
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GTR
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Treeplant
United States214 Posts
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caution.slip
United States775 Posts
my suggestion is to win more games | ||
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BlackYoshi
United States84 Posts
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Badred
Canada129 Posts
On February 21 2010 17:16 BlackYoshi wrote: Also, when the game comes out I'm guessing the ladder will reset? Obviously, since you'll have to buy the actual retail game, and it would be pretty silly if there were people on the ladder without actual Starcraft 2 accounts :p | ||
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sjon03
United States231 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Especially if they are based on time zones and locality (which I think they are). Ofc you want to know your overall rank as well but I like the idea of being part of a more unique group of people rather than just being 3534 of 9373. It gives you chance to get to know a few players, since you'll be matched against them often. It might even create rivalry between the divisions. I quite like the idea of knowing a group of players similar to my skill level that I can play often. It creates a social environment as well as a competitive one. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On February 21 2010 22:21 Shizuru~ wrote: any1 knows wat the ranking on platinum league is like on EU and Asian servers? hopefully Blizz would make the league standing viewable on9 like how they do it with the WoW Armory. I don't have all the divisions (missing div 2, don't know if there's any higher than 5 atm), but here's some from EU: Platinum div 1: #1 - (P) HoRRoR - 1507 - 69-18 #2 - (Z) HayprO - 1460 - 55-15 #3 - (P) Desis - 1382 - 79-31 Platinum div 3: #1 - (Z) Akisto - 1596 - 75-17 #2 - (T) Raven - 1583 - 69-17 #3 - (P) WhiteRa - 1436 - 87-49 Platinum div 4: #1 - (R) retje - 1383 - 98-25 #2 - (P) Draco - 1363 - 61-21 #3 - (T) GladHeAteHer - 1352 - 66-15 Platinum div 5: #1 (P) Jump - 1506 - 89-35 #2 (P) HasuObs - 1495 - 74-32 #3 (P) mTwNightEnD - 1464 - 87-39 edit: added races. | ||
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
why isnt ret streaming his games!? ... or at least some other top EU players | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
who's akisto? | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 21 2010 03:17 gondolin wrote: Hom come David Kim's Elo is so small with the record he has? Hes been #1 forever so he plays only people with lower ELO than he his... | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
On February 21 2010 23:21 teks wrote: Platinum div 1: #1 - (P) HoRRoR - 1507 - 69-18 #2 - (Z) HayprO - 1460 - 55-15 #3 - (P) Desis - 1382 - 79-31 Platinum div 3: #1 - (Z) Akisto - 1596 - 75-17 #2 - (T) Raven - 1583 - 69-17 #3 - (P) WhiteRa - 1436 - 87-49 Platinum div 4: #1 - (R) retje - 1383 - 98-25 #2 - (P) Draco - 1363 - 61-21 #3 - (T) GladHeAteHer - 1352 - 66-15 Platinum div 5: #1 (P) Jump - 1506 - 89-35 #2 (P) HasuObs - 1495 - 74-32 #3 (P) mTwNightEnD - 1464 - 87-39 European ratings are so much higher than American ratings. How many players does the European server report online usually? Wonder if you have more gamers over there playing to cause it. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On February 22 2010 00:24 [-Bluewolf-] wrote: European ratings are so much higher than American ratings. How many players does the European server report online usually? Wonder if you have more gamers over there playing to cause it. currently, 16:36 CET there's 2140 players in 425 games on EU. I've seen up to 3k though. | ||
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Simsar
Sweden27 Posts
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
Have the division sizes grown any? | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
like how much higher do you have to be? | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On February 22 2010 01:55 cuteFayth wrote: i was like 8th in gold league in my division, then I lost a game and they moved me to platinum, I was confused.... didn't make sense but whatever how many points did u have before you got promoted? | ||
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WoLFoU
France69 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
Silver Division # 3 rank #1 68-30 1739 rating. Is that the highest rating so far? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On February 21 2010 23:47 Shizuru~ wrote: funny see-ing how Draco went up to top 2 of his division after saying he's quitting starcraft just a few weeks back lol... who's akisto? Starcraft 2 is a new game. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
btw can someone explain again how these divisions work? O_O! | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 22 2010 08:38 Xeris wrote: i'm 9th in platinum div9 ... gonna climb up tonight. btw can someone explain again how these divisions work? O_O! They don't work at all, you can play against anyone from any division. Even from any league-level (gold, silver etc.., maybe its just 1 league higher/1 league below). | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:26 Teejing wrote: wow i guess i have to stop visiting Tl, because not having beta is breaking me. this. Unfortunately. I'm really a lot more into BW at the moment, but the acitivity in BW threads has decreased by ~300% the past few days and with everyone and their mom talking about the SC2 beta right now, it's painful not having a key | ||
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United States2822 Posts
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
I still don't udnerstand how you move up and down the leagues? I thought that you had to stay in your league untill each season was over then the top and bottom players will go either up or down to a new league? | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 22 2010 09:09 DarkShadowz wrote: If you don't find a game right away when you search for a game it will widen the search so if few people are looking for games at the same time then you can get paired vs someone far form your league. But the risk of that happening gets lower the more players there are and it has only been the first wave in beta. I still don't udnerstand how you move up and down the leagues? I thought that you had to stay in your league untill each season was over then the top and bottom players will go either up or down to a new league? That would suck if you only move up at the end of a season. Imagine you get matched into Silver, because you had really really good opponents (given you are Platinum, and they are Platinum too, just a bit better) and you went just 6-4 in the rankings. You would have to wait a whole season to climb and totally dominate the silver league.. | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
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PeT[uK]
United States412 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 22 2010 08:34 eXigent. wrote: koll is sitting at Silver Division # 3 rank #1 68-30 1739 rating. Is that the highest rating so far? Being in Silver league makes that Elo rating a lot less impressive. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
And yeah, when a 1000elo silver league guys wins vs someone from platinum league he will get a shitlot of points since its kinda like this platinm league elo = silverleague elo -600 more or less i think When god sends me a beta key i will know for sure =) | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On February 22 2010 09:44 zeppelin wrote: When I was promoted from silver to platinum my elo in platinum started at 1067, I don't remember what my silver elo was but it was no higher than 1200 strange how some get promoted at lower ratings, while others sit at 16/1700 | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
On February 22 2010 08:44 GinNtoniC wrote: this. Unfortunately. I'm really a lot more into BW at the moment, but the acitivity in BW threads has decreased by ~300% the past few days and with everyone and their mom talking about the SC2 beta right now, it's painful not having a key its really painful watching livestreamers who arent as good as you play too and its REALLY painful not being a protoss player because 80% pf livestreamers are protoss. I STILL havent seen a TvT yet and I've watched like 20 hours worth of livestream lol. | ||
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DN2perfectionGM
United States233 Posts
so if for shit luck, one gets misplaced in copper league, then that person has chance to win copper, bronze, silver, and gold before he gets to platinum hm... | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 22 2010 10:05 Ideas wrote: its really painful watching livestreamers who arent as good as you play too and its REALLY painful not being a protoss player because 80% pf livestreamers are protoss. I STILL havent seen a TvT yet and I've watched like 20 hours worth of livestream lol. Do you want TvT replays?-_- Got a ton. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:59 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Artosis must have a lot of wow players in his division ^^ Lol no. I'm actually 4th in Artosis' division | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
and you don't just play people from your division anyways | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
On February 22 2010 10:22 G.s)NarutO wrote: Do you want TvT replays?-_- Got a ton. I'd prefer VODs what with the lack of beta | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
You can torrent the client and get it to work for replays. lol | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
12nd, the new 12th. Nice one, Blizzard. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.starcraft2replaysdb.com/nirvana/day5c.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.starcraft2replaysdb.com/nirvana/day5.jpg) more at my blog http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/nirvana | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 22 2010 12:13 Xeris wrote: can anyone explain how the divisions actually work? that'd be cool! I already replied when you asked earlier. All divisions are paralell, its not like division 1 is superior to division 2. Or what do you exactly want to know? The match making system searches for someone in your division and if there's no one of your division searching a game, it will expand the search to other divions / league levels. | ||
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movmou
United States142 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On February 22 2010 12:15 G.s)NarutO wrote: I already replied when you asked earlier. All divisions are paralell, its not like division 1 is superior to division 2. Or what do you exactly want to know? The match making system searches for someone in your division and if there's no one of your division searching a game, it will expand the search to other divions / league levels. This. Amber, you out of anyone should know I was joking. ^^ #4 only? Come on, we all know you have it in you to be #2 at least. o; | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On February 22 2010 12:54 bEsT[Alive] wrote: This. Amber, you out of anyone should know I was joking. ^^ #4 only? Come on, we all know you have it in you to be #2 at least. o; lol sarcasm needs a better way to get noticed on the internet :D The difference between the gold platinum etc is how many wins you got in the first 10 games. I think platinum is the highest. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 22 2010 13:01 Xeris wrote: Err I mean... not the difference in #'s but for example what's the difference between Gold, Platinum, Silver, etc. The skill level. I'm not sure what factors are being judged (pretty sure its not just win/loss), but mainly its the skill level. Everyone who went 10-0 / 9-1 is Platinum iirc. 8-2 Gold 7-3 Gold, 6-4 Silver 5-5 Silver, 4-6 3-7 bronze and below is copper I guess... Not sure how it works that you climb a league. | ||
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Krolinkos
Australia74 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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maneatingshoe
Canada484 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
#1 mTwMFkAra __1265___61-23 #2 BratOK_______1194___62-27 #3 Chi __________1154___35-11 #4 LiquidNazgul __1145___31-17 #5 rANDY _______1107___45-15 Only 7 people in the divison though :/ | ||
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micronesia
United States24682 Posts
On February 22 2010 13:08 ShaperofDreams wrote: Can someone make an OP or guide as to how exactly the ranking system works, and how you move up or down in ranks? I don't think this information is available yet... Blizzard would have to help us lol | ||
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tlwilim
Hong Kong24 Posts
On February 22 2010 10:21 DN2perfectionGM wrote: it seems that changing league should only take place after each season/ tournament finishes. Then the top x players from gold league can switch with bottom x players from platinum league, for example. so if for shit luck, one gets misplaced in copper league, then that person has chance to win copper, bronze, silver, and gold before he gets to platinum hm... the top 8 from each division will be go into the play-off season imo. and the one who is misplaced in copper can be promote to platinum directly if he is such good. | ||
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FaZ-
United States187 Posts
That seems the most logical, and assuming that they have short length seasons could actually be a way to noticeably improve over time while remaining competitive. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 22 2010 12:15 G.s)NarutO wrote: I already replied when you asked earlier. All divisions are paralell, its not like division 1 is superior to division 2. Or what do you exactly want to know? The match making system searches for someone in your division and if there's no one of your division searching a game, it will expand the search to other divions / league levels. this is certainly not true On February 22 2010 18:15 CrownRoyal wrote: as far as everyone saying that all the divisions in platinum are equal, you are wrong. i have ~1400 elo plat div2 and played idra earlier who was ~1020 and in div4. The game was favored for him to win, i got 18 when i beat him too. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On February 22 2010 18:33 boesthius wrote: xeris how did you get into plat! i beat you and a bunch of other people who are now plat yet i'm still in the silver league =/. i'm #1 in my division too, i've been fluctuating between 1 and 5 because of not playing for a day but i'm still in silver. frustrating because i want to play higher ranked people and not destroy everyone i encounter . maybe i should have actually tried stuff instead of fooling around with each race during the placement matches..no idea O_O! ... I'm 3rd in my division though. yeeea ! | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On February 22 2010 18:35 CrownRoyal wrote: this is certainly not true But that doesn't mean that the divisions aren't equal. It might just mean that the algorithm factors more variables in than just the ranking. For example the total number of games played, or maybe even matchup-individual stats. Assuming that the divisions are unequal raises a lot of difficult questions. Most importantly, what is their order? I've read reports of people jumping in both directions division-wise, with no clear system behind it and not even between consecutive numbers. Plus people were assigned to all divisions rather quickly. And it's hard to imagine that Blizz will assign people to not just 5 different leagues, but rather 40 different divisions just based on 10 games! Would you think it's reasonable to randomly assign people to 8 differently ranked divisions (remember the order! you'd have to go up 7 leagues to the top if you are unlucky). As for the 'expanding search' message: there are 3 possibilities: 1) It goes from your server to the other servers. I think we can rule that one out because I haven't heard of anyone playing someone from a different server. (Which is a shame btw) 2) It goes from your league to other leagues. This definitely happens a lot and makes the most sense to me. 3) It goes from your division to other divisions. This was my first idea, because I thought the divisions were there to group people together by certain criteria (of which I could only think of one). But according to some earlier interviews the divisions are mainly there to make people feel more involved and I guess they are assigned randomly, so option 3) doesn't make sense - it arbitrarily shrinks your pool of opponents. So 2) it probably is. | ||
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nc[retaliator]
Romania130 Posts
btw plz more eu streamers besides shauni!! haypro would be nice to see ure zerg in sc2 man plz stream more or retje would make very high audience cos i see mainly us players streaming and would really enjoy some top eu players playing sc2! | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
As such a division with more players in it will have higher elo variations, while divisions with only a few handful players will have small elo variations until said division fills up with more players. This is the reason David Kim could go 96-5 and still have such a low elo. Having a small amount of players in your division makes you gain less and lose less points when you win/lose. Your elo is only absolute within your own division. If you play people of other divisions, relative elos apply (some fancy Blizzard algorithm). Now that this is settled, can everyone please shut the fuck up about which division is favored to which. | ||
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Tears.Of.The.Moon
Slovenia715 Posts
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Neak
United Kingdom124 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On February 22 2010 19:09 Asta wrote: But that doesn't mean that the divisions aren't equal. It might just mean that the algorithm factors more variables in than just the ranking. For example the total number of games played, or maybe even matchup-individual stats. I would say that it doesn't necissarily mean that they aren't equal either. If I recall correctly, at blizz con they said that divisions would be "100 people close to your skill level". From this, I personally would infer that not all divisions are equal, but take from it what you will. Assuming that the divisions are unequal raises a lot of difficult questions. Most importantly, what is their order? I've read reports of people jumping in both directions division-wise, with no clear system behind it and not even between consecutive numbers. From Blizzard's general stance on this, it seems like they for some reason don't want it to be clear what someone's overall ranking is. (Maybe they want you to realize this is not a ladder like ICC is? Just guessing though.) Either way, there is no reason that divisions have to be enumerated according to skill. Consider once the release version of the game comes out, they will likely need to add divisions mid-season, if the number of active players grow. It would be inconvenient to have to renumber several divisions to add one in the middle. Plus people were assigned to all divisions rather quickly. And it's hard to imagine that Blizz will assign people to not just 5 different leagues, but rather 40 different divisions just based on 10 games! Would you think it's reasonable to randomly assign people to 8 differently ranked divisions (remember the order! you'd have to go up 7 leagues to the top if you are unlucky). Ten games in an awful lot in terms of placement. I could see an argument for, you might get unlucky and get in the wrong division, but to say if you get unlucky you have to go up 7 leagues? + Show Spoiler + (Not to mention that, from my understanding, there are currently not practice or pro leagues, so that's a total of 5 leagues, making the maximum climb 4, no 7, but I digress.) On February 22 2010 23:40 PerfectTear wrote: Actualy there is a bug in the ranking system, if you have many wins and are at the top of your division it promotes you from the platinium league back to the platinium one, and takes away from you 200 points :p I've seen someone suggest this before, have we had conclusive evidence of it yet? I'd love to see the details of it, if you could link/point me in the right direction of your source. Thanks! EDIT: Minor grammatical corrections. | ||
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
On February 22 2010 23:28 LaLuSh wrote: Elo ratings are RELATIVE to how many players there are in your division. As such a division with more players in it will have higher elo variations, while divisions with only a few handful players will have small elo variations until said division fills up with more players. This is the reason David Kim could go 96-5 and still have such a low elo. Having a small amount of players in your division makes you gain less and lose less points when you win/lose. Your elo is only absolute within your own division. If you play people of other divisions, relative elos apply (some fancy Blizzard algorithm). Now that this is settled, can everyone please shut the fuck up about which division is favored to which. QFT | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
iccup with all together was so far better so u can never play best usa players as euro etc thats just gay | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 23 2010 00:52 CrownRoyal wrote: okay so you guys are suggesting that me being ~1400 ELO with 93 people in my league vs idra with ~1020 ELO and 12 people in his league that his ELO is more impressive relative to the size of our leagues?? that's bs. Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:16 Jyvblamo wrote: Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? my win % is higher than idra's. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 23 2010 00:52 CrownRoyal wrote: okay so you guys are suggesting that me being ~1400 ELO with 93 people in my league vs idra with ~1020 ELO and 12 people in his league that his ELO is more impressive relative to the size of our leagues?? that's bs. I think they are suggesting that your ELO is not exactly 380 pts higher than Idras. If you were both in the same division, you might have 1300 and he might have 1100. | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:16 Jyvblamo wrote: Maybe the system takes into account the win/loss ratio or win streaks? im guessing the system recalibrates your skill level per a set a number of games, probably every 10 games or something. | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:34 CowGoMoo wrote: I think they are suggesting that your ELO is not exactly 380 pts higher than Idras. If you were both in the same division, you might have 1300 and he might have 1100. okay, if that's the case then why does the match suggest that he(idra) is favored vs me unless the division four is considered superior to division two players. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:36 CrownRoyal wrote: okay, if that's the case then why does the match suggest that he(idra) is favored vs me unless the division four is considered superior to division two players. You got me there, maybe its a bug. If it makes you feel any better im more impressed by your 1400 ELO rating than Idras 1020 rating <3 | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:46 Jyvblamo wrote: I recall reading a post on the B.Net forums by a Blizz employee confirming that divisions exist in parallel. Yah so maybe the favored thing just doesn't work right? Dunno. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:39 Jyvblamo wrote: Columns = Pillars, ex SC1 gosu Gnomey... no idea !!! Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On February 23 2010 02:36 CrownRoyal wrote: How many games had he played at that point? There's probably a hidden MMR for early on. Like if someone went 10-0 they would be 1000 in plat but would still probably be favored against a lot of 1200s with many games played.okay, if that's the case then why does the match suggest that he(idra) is favored vs me unless the division four is considered superior to division two players. | ||
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Striverz-G
United States63 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On February 21 2010 01:26 Teejing wrote: wow i guess i have to stop visiting Tl, because not having beta is breaking me. seriously | ||
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
It was a hilarious game though, culminating in dkim rolling over GGT's army and base with over 150 banelings. | ||
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Striverz-G
United States63 Posts
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MagisterMan
Sweden525 Posts
On February 23 2010 09:22 Dyno. wrote: David Kim just played and beat GGTemplar (ranked 8th in his division) and only gained one point off him. I'd love to know what his rating/record is now.. I played a game against some dude and won and got 0 points. =/ I was like... what?? | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
I'm 1150 in div7, around rank 25 I want to play david kim though, so I can watch the replay and learn... | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:38 Tsagacity wrote: How many games had he played at that point? There's probably a hidden MMR for early on. Like if someone went 10-0 they would be 1000 in plat but would still probably be favored against a lot of 1200s with many games played. his record was actually really terrible when i played him, like 22-10 | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 23 2010 09:22 Dyno. wrote: David Kim just played and beat GGTemplar (ranked 8th in his division) and only gained one point off him. I'd love to know what his rating/record is now. It was a hilarious game though, culminating in dkim rolling over GGT's army and base with over 150 banelings. Points lost =/= points gained by other guy, by the way. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
Besides, SC2 is totally different. Give it time. | ||
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GuYuTe-
United States550 Posts
On February 21 2010 09:40 Incanus wrote: Pillars said he is Columns in another thread. I was gonna ask that. Does he work for Blizzard now? I know he's like infamous for Beta testing and being pretty much a strategic genius. Anyone know if Tillerman is playing? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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GTR
51451 Posts
ZenioWerra 최정민 Choi Jung-min - Platinum Division 1 Leader | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/o9l8n8.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i50.tinypic.com/24cgw3t.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/29ylimf.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i50.tinypic.com/23wo3eo.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/t9uy6o.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/33k65w6.jpg) Took me like 2 hours to find a gamer for each division, Blizz really could have made checking on rankings a lot easier 8[ Me = diehilde in case you didnt know, obviously im not that selfless to make myself that much work without a lil braggin involved ;P | ||
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Slayer-
United States113 Posts
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
On February 23 2010 13:16 choboPEon wrote: he worked for them but no longer I think you're confusing pillars with zileas | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On February 23 2010 13:50 damenmofa wrote: Ok here are screens of all 6 EU Platinum Divisions (if somebody is in platinum 7 or higher pls correct me, but seeing there are only 8 people in platinum 6 I guess thats it): + Show Spoiler + Took me like 2 hours to find a gamer for each division, Blizz really could have made checking on rankings a lot easier 8[ Me = diehilde in case you didnt know, obviously im not that selfless to make myself that much work without a lil braggin involved ;P Swedes leading 4/6 of those divisions. Haypro, MinD, Akisto and RunA. Nice work gathering this info. | ||
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Foxhawk
United States41 Posts
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Pillars
United States147 Posts
Any replays of Columns? Haven't uploaded any replays yet though I might in the future. I was gonna ask that. Does he work for Blizzard now? I worked on the design team for a year or so in 2007. | ||
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Roes
Belgium10 Posts
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nicoaldo
Argentina939 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
It seems not only rank but also matchup dependent stats and ingame stats are used to determine rank and points. | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
On February 23 2010 22:47 Konni wrote: It's really weird. Sometimes you get only matched against lower level players and earn like 4-10 points per match. Sometimes you get equally ranked or higher ranked players and earn like 20 points. Yesterday I had a match where I got 38 points. Don't understand that It seems not only rank but also matchup dependent stats and ingame stats are used to determine rank and points. you really think it's strange? battle.net searches for players closest to you in terms of points and league. If it cant match you with someone with the exact same stats/points/league they will have to make the search bigger... Eventually you will have to play someone with much less points than you because there are no one else near you searching for a game... And if you think it's strange that you get less points for beating worse players and more points for beating better players, well just look at the iccup ranking system, it works like the exact same way. If you cant find someone at your own rank, you will have to look for players either above or below you. | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
On February 23 2010 09:36 Jyvblamo wrote: Points lost =/= points gained by other guy, by the way. If points lost =/= points gained then its not ELO? Or am I not remembering things correctly here? | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On February 24 2010 01:44 no_re wrote: If points lost =/= points gained then its not ELO? Or am I not remembering things correctly here? Elo is only absolute within your division. Effectively you are only competing against the people in your own division. And as more players are expected to drop into most leagues/divisions, blizzard don't want the existing players in divisions with a small amount of players to have too much of a head start. As your division fills up with players, elo gained/lost will increase. You can see this pretty clearly watching the bronze leagues, where people reach 1400 elo with crap stats like 19-12. And the top players are at 1800-1900 elo. While people in platinum divisions with a small amount of players can barely break 1200 with stats like 100-10. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On February 24 2010 01:44 no_re wrote: If points lost =/= points gained then its not ELO? Or am I not remembering things correctly here? Blizzard claimed their rating system was "one of the best in existence" or somesuch. The obvious comp is Microsoft's TrueSkill, which is a slightly modified Glicko2, I believe. It seems unlikely Blizzard has decided to adopt something non-iterative (e.g. WHR), but people say their ratings have changed without playing games (doesn't happen in Glicko2), so who knows. --oberon | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On February 24 2010 04:01 oberon wrote: Blizzard claimed their rating system was "one of the best in existence" or somesuch. The obvious comp is Microsoft's TrueSkill, which is a slightly modified Glicko2, I believe. It seems unlikely Blizzard has decided to adopt something non-iterative (e.g. WHR), but people say their ratings have changed without playing games (doesn't happen in Glicko2), so who knows. --oberon After reading a bit on wikipedia it seems to me that the non-trivial part of the TrueSkill system lies within the fact that players can join different groups to play together. As this doesn't happen in SC2 (every 2on2 team you play in gets its own ranking... or actually, how is it for random teams? doesn't matter...) the rest of the system seems very simple. However there is no mention of considering other variables than just the outcome of the match. I think the same applies for Glicko. There are so many surprising things happening in the rankings (some of which are obviously bugs, like the league-upgrade from platinum to platinum with point penalty) that I am pretty sure the algorithm is either considering other variables or is just full of bugs. In any case I don't think people will figure it out without the help of Blizzard. | ||
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Maynard
United States889 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On February 24 2010 05:09 Asta wrote: After reading a bit on wikipedia it seems to me that the non-trivial part of the TrueSkill system lies within the fact that players can join different groups to play together. As this doesn't happen in SC2 (every 2on2 team you play in gets its own ranking... or actually, how is it for random teams? doesn't matter...) the rest of the system seems very simple. However there is no mention of considering other variables than just the outcome of the match. I think the same applies for Glicko. There are so many surprising things happening in the rankings (some of which are obviously bugs, like the league-upgrade from platinum to platinum with point penalty) that I am pretty sure the algorithm is either considering other variables or is just full of bugs. In any case I don't think people will figure it out without the help of Blizzard. Glicko2 considers both players' ratings, deviations, and consistencies*, where the deviation is a measure of how accurate the rating is (a high deviation means the rating is less accurate) and the consistency measures how consistent the player's results have been (a low consistency indicates the player's true rating has likely changed in some way, and his assigned rating does not yet reflect this). The algorithm can be modified to handle teams -- multiple companies, including Microsoft, have done this. It is possible that Blizzard is using other variables, such as maps and races. This seems unlikely, however, because no "TvZ" rating is available -- just one overall rating. --oberon *"Consistency" is actually not used -- its inverse, volatility is. I felt this was easier to explain | ||
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Foxhawk
United States41 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On February 24 2010 05:15 Maynard wrote: I'd give it a about a week til I'm #1 in my division. not if you are in david kim's division. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On February 24 2010 05:15 Maynard wrote: I'd give it a about a week til I'm #1 in my division. I know you were a legend but this isnt like the old days of SC1 where you could go into a game and everyone was clueless about what an RTS should play out as. Not to mention you could literally have 50-60 APM and dominate players. Goodluck doing that now when everyone is equally smart, and extremely talented mechanically. | ||
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zeppelin
United States565 Posts
On February 24 2010 09:08 eXigent. wrote: I know you were a legend but this isnt like the old days of SC1 where you could go into a game and everyone was clueless about what an RTS should play out as. Not to mention you could literally have 50-60 APM and dominate players. Goodluck doing that now when everyone is equally smart, and extremely talented mechanically. In my replays I'm seeing people in platinum league with 50-60 apm... | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On February 24 2010 09:25 zeppelin wrote: In my replays I'm seeing people in platinum league with 50-60 apm... It's because Faster is actually faster than normal time. Look at the timer the next time you watch a replay. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 24 2010 09:41 Kinky wrote: It's because Faster is actually faster than normal time. Look at the timer the next time you watch a replay. Its a whopping 40% faster! | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On February 24 2010 09:08 eXigent. wrote: I know you were a legend but this isnt like the old days of SC1 where you could go into a game and everyone was clueless about what an RTS should play out as. Not to mention you could literally have 50-60 APM and dominate players. Goodluck doing that now when everyone is equally smart, and extremely talented mechanically. Uhh.. Maynard is one of those players who are actually smart, isnt mechanic based.. Do you ever wonder why someone like Pillars is #1 in his division, Yet Idra is struggling to even go better than 50%, and ranked like 40th in his division?? Maynard is head and shoulders above the skill of your average "modern" gamer. He is an RTS player, not someone who just watches BW replays and copies down the build orders like most modern SC players, cant do anything for themselves. You do know what "Maynarding" probes means? Wonder where that came from.. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8648/rank1e.gif) Lol'd so hard. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
On February 24 2010 07:11 starcraft911 wrote: I run into pillars in literally EVERY RTS that's ever been out. He was the only competition I had in empires dotmw. He gets around. pillars has exceptional skills and exceptional manner. a very rare breed these days, i cant even think of anyone else like that | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On February 24 2010 11:47 RyanS wrote: Artosis was ousted by WarCraft 3 player BoX. [img]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8648/rank1e.gif[/img Lol'd so hard. ...? Are you really trying to get flamed? Good work on BoX achieving the #1, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he his better than Artosis, tell us if you have them in a 1v1. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On February 24 2010 11:57 aLt)nirvana wrote: pillars has exceptional skills and exceptional manner. a very rare breed these days, i cant even think of anyone else like that pillars is great in every game he plays, not even just in rts. and, of course, is very nice. he's a very impressive dude. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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Paperkat
United Kingdom47 Posts
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mysticism
Canada124 Posts
On February 24 2010 11:45 Skyze wrote: Uhh.. Maynard is one of those players who are actually smart, isnt mechanic based.. Do you ever wonder why someone like Pillars is #1 in his division, Yet Idra is struggling to even go better than 50%, and ranked like 40th in his division?? Maynard is head and shoulders above the skill of your average "modern" gamer. He is an RTS player, not someone who just watches BW replays and copies down the build orders like most modern SC players, cant do anything for themselves. You do know what "Maynarding" probes means? Wonder where that came from.. were can u see where idra is in ranking? where is an updated ranking of the divisions? | ||
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StarsPride
United States364 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Some players can be experimenting more, doing weird stuff etc. Also ladders are not very pinpoint accurate. It gives a good general skill grouping but cmon.. Look at TSL ladder vs Tournament. Also a lot of people could be sharing accounts. I could imagine CJ having other people try out SC2 on idra's account etc. | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
I'm div 9 leader granted there's like no one in my division so i'm not even like 1200 rating to lead haha | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
Hope to do better tomorrow! | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
On February 24 2010 14:02 JiYan wrote: division 2 and 7 look the hardest according to the ratings It doesnt work like that and has been explained so why not. The ratings all depend on the division your in. The more people in your division the easier it is to gain rating. I am in a fairly small division with 17 people and had a rating of 1300, now I played a 1450 rating guy from division 1 a really large division. Even though his rating was higher I was favored, I don't know exaclty how this freaking system works but you also have to look at the size of the division and not just look at the ratings. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 24 2010 11:45 Skyze wrote: Uhh.. Maynard is one of those players who are actually smart, isnt mechanic based.. Do you ever wonder why someone like Pillars is #1 in his division, Yet Idra is struggling to even go better than 50%, and ranked like 40th in his division?? Maynard is head and shoulders above the skill of your average "modern" gamer. He is an RTS player, not someone who just watches BW replays and copies down the build orders like most modern SC players, cant do anything for themselves. You do know what "Maynarding" probes means? Wonder where that came from.. what are you talking about? im 4th with 75% win and i started laddering late cuz i didnt have my own key for a while. | ||
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OptimusTom
United States154 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On February 24 2010 14:16 IdrA wrote: what are you talking about? im 4th with 75% win and i started laddering late cuz i didnt have my own key for a while. Idra, are you going to go back to watching replays all day! These people like maynard etc actually "play" rts. I'm sure your mechanics, APM, multitasking ability and dedication is way behind these people who have been inactive for years and are at best C on iccup. Prepare to have every replay of you losing posted on everyone's blog. | ||
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bluegoo
United States141 Posts
with box and kiwi, that makes 3 wc3 players leading their divisions (just in us ladders). which makes artosis's OP look kinda lol. especially since everyone knows american war3 is much worse than euro war3, and I'm hearing that the top8 of most euro divisions is even between sc and wc3, about 3 notable players of each in top 8 for most divisions. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
I wonder what the standings in Asian beta look like though The top players won't be kart rider pros, I'll tell you that much. | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On February 24 2010 14:59 bluegoo wrote: cruncher recently took rank 1 in his division (the one with louder in it) with box and kiwi, that makes 3 wc3 players leading their divisions (just in us ladders). which makes artosis's OP look kinda lol. especially since everyone knows american war3 is much worse than euro war3, and I'm hearing that the top8 of most euro divisions is even between sc and wc3, about 3 notable players of each in top 8 for most divisions. I really wish people would drop the whole SC vs WC3 players thing. It obviously didn't mean much. Really good SC players have sucked some dick in SC2, just like really good WC3 players did. And not too famous SC players are dominating SC2 ladders just like not too famous WC3 players are...There is no correlation. People putting the effort into SC2 are getting results. People who don't...Don't. And its already been said. The ladder rankings aren't very indicative of who is #1. Not to mention the fact that most of us aren't even seeing the Euro ladders. Most importantly, I wish that people would stop thinking of themselves as a WC3 player or a Starcraft player. What is so bad about just thinking of you as yourself, just a player? We're playing Starcraft 2 now. SC and WC3 are old news. There is no need to hold on to "us vs them" mindsets. On February 24 2010 15:14 HatchetWound wrote: im very sorry if this has already been asked but is there website or something where we can go and view the rankings lists. I don't have the beta i am just curious cause i would like to see how the ladder works and see if there are any old names doing good ^^ Also once again sorry if this has been asked i read a few pages but i don't have time to sit here and search thru 15 pages for an answer thx soo much There is none. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Well, the European scene for WC3 is pretty big, so it's not surprising that they're sporting a lot of talented players in the beta. I wonder what the standings in Asian beta look like though The top players won't be kart rider pros, I'll tell you that much.apparently its all the war3 pros on top, no sc pros are playing for now. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:15 Mohdoo wrote: I really wish people would drop the whole SC vs WC3 players thing. It obviously didn't mean much. Really good SC players have sucked some dick in SC2, just like really good WC3 players did. And not too famous SC players are dominating SC2 ladders just like not too famous WC3 players are...There is no correlation. People putting the effort into SC2 are getting results. People who don't...Don't. And its already been said. The ladder rankings aren't very indicative of who is #1. Not to mention the fact that most of us aren't even seeing the Euro ladders. Most importantly, I wish that people would stop thinking of themselves as a WC3 player or a Starcraft player. What is so bad about just thinking of you as yourself, just a player? We're playing Starcraft 2 now. SC and WC3 are old news. There is no need to hold on to "us vs them" mindsets. I'm really with you on this one, people should be happy that all these RTS communities are merging together, no game has ever done this before. We shouldn't be hating on one another for playing some other game more than another game. All that matters is that everyone plays sc2 now ^_^ | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:20 IdrA wrote: apparently its all the war3 pros on top, no sc pros are playing for now. What's the policy of the pro teams towards SC2 right now? Are they going to just ignore SC2 until the finished product is released? | ||
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GTR
51451 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Well, the European scene for WC3 is pretty big, so it's not surprising that they're sporting a lot of talented players in the beta. I wonder what the standings in Asian beta look like though The top players won't be kart rider pros, I'll tell you that much.WC3 player Zenio.WeRRa is one and I think GARIMTO is another. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:32 Jarvs wrote: Can anyone confirm is Filthy is Phil Edwards from Australia? yes he is | ||
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bluegoo
United States141 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:15 Mohdoo wrote: I really wish people would drop the whole SC vs WC3 players thing. It obviously didn't mean much. Really good SC players have sucked some dick in SC2, just like really good WC3 players did. And not too famous SC players are dominating SC2 ladders just like not too famous WC3 players are...There is no correlation. People putting the effort into SC2 are getting results. People who don't...Don't. And its already been said. The ladder rankings aren't very indicative of who is #1. Not to mention the fact that most of us aren't even seeing the Euro ladders. Most importantly, I wish that people would stop thinking of themselves as a WC3 player or a Starcraft player. What is so bad about just thinking of you as yourself, just a player? We're playing Starcraft 2 now. SC and WC3 are old news. There is no need to hold on to "us vs them" mindsets. There is none. you know mohdoo I was saying they were even ( the wc3 and sc communities) but its ok you obviously didn't read before raging. also you're a terrible mod on wcr. | ||
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Sabre.
United States10 Posts
its interesting to see the familiar names from sc and w3 on top of the rankings | ||
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supermedo
Slovenia13 Posts
On February 24 2010 11:47 RyanS wrote: Artosis was ousted by WarCraft 3 player BoX. Lol'd so hard. Is BoX the guy with this blog: http://wc.forelmashi.com/ ? | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 24 2010 12:39 Paperkat wrote: has any one got replays of this cowgomoo guy with 90 wins and 5 losses or something? terran player? cause im playing terran and im finding it incredibly hard agaisnt zerg/protoss, i always feel outproduced and out map controled so i dont know wtf? is terran just that harder than other races or what ^^ vs protoss I usually go EMP, Vikings, and mixed infantry with a couple medivacs vs Zerg I tend to go mixed infantry w/ tank support and a handful of medivacs. Hellions are also pretty good vs Z, and a Banshee is almost never bad in any MU since they 2 shot workers. In general I usually go for timing pushes using EMP or stim, or just try to match my opponent in expos. Its almost never needed to expo first since u mine more off 1 base due to mules not counting towards saturation + ur army is generally the most cost effective. If you do Expo first feel free to make it a Fortress. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On February 24 2010 16:49 KiWiKaKi wrote: sup doods I know a quality first post when I see one! | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
On February 24 2010 16:44 supermedo wrote: Is BoX the guy with this blog: http://wc.forelmashi.com/ ? That is the same site as his war3 blog so, yes, that is him. | ||
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Vexki
Australia36 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
being in top 10 in platinum division can mean surprisingly little. This will obviously change within a month probably, but for now it just means that some people have played a ton of games and only a few are actually skilled IMO also, the amount of games played =/= skill. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On February 24 2010 15:20 IdrA wrote: apparently its all the war3 pros on top, no sc pros are playing for now. And Idra gg's the debate. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On February 24 2010 18:51 Hot_Bid wrote: Garimto is #1 in plat on Asia LOL Garimto also rocked in wc3 in the beginning. I remember his games often led to him losing his base and trying to recover with his high lvl hero (archmage) alone. :D It really sucks that there is so little info about the asian leagues and basically it sucks that there even are separate leagues for asia/us/europe. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Dav_
Hungary236 Posts
On February 24 2010 18:31 Ahzz wrote: some people gotta understand that division rankings and win % means relatively little due to low amount of competition so far. being in top 10 in platinum division can mean surprisingly little. This will obviously change within a month probably, but for now it just means that some people have played a ton of games and only a few are actually skilled IMO also, the amount of games played =/= skill. there is like 20 people in the beta who upload replays that worth watching(and only when they play against each other). 90% of these so called platinum players are D lvl iccup hard noobs. can't wait for the final release | ||
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nc[retaliator]
Romania130 Posts
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.imgupload.org/images/600_eu_divisons_24.02.jpg) Platinum League 1v1 Rankings for the EU at ~3PM GMT on the 24th of February. I have played a couple of the Rank1's and the most devastating for me personally was Draco by a decent margin. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
oh and I also spot jediael.. hi Mr. PokerStrategy.com aka. [pG]korn! :D | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
i wish them good luck ! | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
lets say 6 games are played 4-5 are gonna be toss, 1-2 zergs and barely ever a terran. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
I would play Zerg if I didn't find Roach/Hydra so boring >_< | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
About 17% ! It's strange because Terran look so cool in SC2 and I think I'm already leaning towards them (I don't have beta yet). | ||
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nicoaldo
Argentina939 Posts
On February 25 2010 01:21 Nafaltar wrote: Platinum League 1v1 Rankings for the EU at ~3PM GMT on the 24th of February. I have played a couple of the Rank1's and the most devastating for me personally was Draco by a decent margin. Draco, White-ra and Hayder Fighting... YEAH! | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 25 2010 11:10 DeMusliM wrote: Jump is a shared acc - theres a terran and atleast 1 toss player Lol I bet half the accounts on Bnet are shared. | ||
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w0nder
Czech Republic2 Posts
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/DisarrayLAN/Screenshot002.jpg) also i REALLY do not understand the AMM. maybe its because its beta, a new game, and a very very limited people so its not being used correctly ?? but i was in silver league after my placement matches, won a few more games after that, and then played probably 5 games straight vs. platinum opponents and lost to them all (including TASTELESS WTF?!?! TESTING A PROXY ZEALOT RUSH ON ME BM BRO BM) today i lost to a platnum, beat a silver, then a bronze and got promoted straight to plat ? i just skipped gold lol... | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 25 2010 01:21 Nafaltar wrote: Platinum League 1v1 Rankings for the EU at ~3PM GMT on the 24th of February. I have played a couple of the Rank1's and the most devastating for me personally was Draco by a decent margin. Damn should have taken the screen later, now im #3 in platinum 1 8[ Show some love for a german brother ^^ Anyways, your comment on Draco is definitely true, he is pretty beastly. That said, im pretty proud im 2-2 against him ^^ | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On February 25 2010 11:36 Disarray wrote: also i REALLY do not understand the AMM. maybe its because its beta, a new game, and a very very limited people so its not being used correctly ?? but i was in silver league after my placement matches, won a few more games after that, and then played probably 5 games straight vs. platinum opponents and lost to them all (including TASTELESS WTF?!?! TESTING A PROXY ZEALOT RUSH ON ME BM BRO BM) today i lost to a platnum, beat a silver, then a bronze and got promoted straight to plat ? i just skipped gold lol... The platinum players are the ones playing 40 games a day so it's definitely more likely that you'll be playing against them. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On February 25 2010 11:10 DeMusliM wrote: Jump is a shared acc - theres a terran and atleast 1 toss player nice to see Demuslim playing SC2. Hope you own some eurotrash. But whats with all the posts about sharing accounts being banned? FrozenArb said in another thread that its not allowed, and closed the thread (3 of them by TL mods on sharing have been closed with the same results) How is Jump not banned? And alternately, the other sharing accounts in platinum (some team has a team account, is it FnaticMSI? I forget) | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1123/starcraft2division425th.jpg) Wooo! Loving SC2 btw - can't wait for this to be released :D | ||
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Treeplant
United States214 Posts
On February 25 2010 08:14 Tump wrote: Does anyone know is the rough equivalence of around 1500-1600 rating in Gold is for Platinum? I've been stuck at #1 in Div 2 Gold for so long :| Me too I pretty play platinum ppl exclusively so I wish I could at least start my ELO in plat.On February 25 2010 13:03 DeMusliM wrote: Wooo! Wow, you don't see such a dominating terran often Would you be so nice as to share some of your replays? I'm having huge trouble counter zergs that hatch first on large maps. | ||
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PaperLuigi
United States95 Posts
On February 25 2010 11:36 Disarray wrote: there is now a (US) Division 11, seems like a new division also i REALLY do not understand the AMM. maybe its because its beta, a new game, and a very very limited people so its not being used correctly ?? but i was in silver league after my placement matches, won a few more games after that, and then played probably 5 games straight vs. platinum opponents and lost to them all (including TASTELESS WTF?!?! TESTING A PROXY ZEALOT RUSH ON ME BM BRO BM) today i lost to a platnum, beat a silver, then a bronze and got promoted straight to plat ? i just skipped gold lol... Wait what is Tasteless's name in the beta? | ||
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Jump
Czech Republic28 Posts
On February 25 2010 12:57 Skyze wrote: nice to see Demuslim playing SC2. Hope you own some eurotrash. But whats with all the posts about sharing accounts being banned? FrozenArb said in another thread that its not allowed, and closed the thread (3 of them by TL mods on sharing have been closed with the same results) How is Jump not banned? And alternately, the other sharing accounts in platinum (some team has a team account, is it FnaticMSI? I forget) hio, on my SC2 account plays w0nder (P) and Predy (T). I don't hide it. I played SC2 on various events before beta and ten first 10 games on my beta account. That's enough for me and I don't want to play it now (I'm very busy and will be next few weeks). I asked w0nder end predy (because they are my closed friends) if they want to try it. There isn't another chance how to do it. I don't see anything wrong on it. They don't play anything more on my account (they can't) and this os only beta. They play it because they love starcraft because they want to try it and they wasn't luck like me with beta key. I give my 2nd key to winner of SC1 tournament on LanCraft lanparty. I really don't need it and I'm happy for every player who can try SC2 because I know how good this game is. That's all. You can say I share account but I share account only for beta testing.There are hunderts, maybe thausends of shared accounts (not only on SC2 beta). Look on them and don't hate me if I want to give a chance to try our game which we wait many years for. I do it for the game, for the scene. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On February 25 2010 11:10 DeMusliM wrote: Jump is a shared acc - theres a terran and atleast 1 toss player jump is shared on SC too. epic cheater. cheats in EVERYTHING. | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On February 25 2010 12:57 Skyze wrote: How is Jump not banned? And alternately, the other sharing accounts in platinum (some team has a team account, is it FnaticMSI? I forget) 1) This is BETA 2) Sharing account with friends is not against TOS. There is only suggestion its not a good idea coz of acc compromising - violating its security. On February 25 2010 16:14 Louder wrote: jump is shared on SC too. epic cheater. cheats in EVERYTHING. /nod | ||
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Jump
Czech Republic28 Posts
On February 25 2010 16:14 Louder wrote: jump is shared on SC too. epic cheater. cheats in EVERYTHING. good joke but I don't like it. | ||
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
On February 25 2010 16:39 TanGeng wrote: Does he appear twice on that list? Yes, he has two accounts and owns both the rank 7 and 9 spots in division 4. The rank 9 one is the one that just got reclassified. He just signed on the rank 7 account. Edit: Interesting to note is that he got reclassified into div4 after a loss. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On February 25 2010 16:09 Jump wrote: hio, on my SC2 account plays w0nder (P) and Predy (T). I don't hide it. I played SC2 on various events before beta and ten first 10 games on my beta account. That's enough for me and I don't want to play it now (I'm very busy and will be next few weeks). I asked w0nder end predy (because they are my closed friends) if they want to try it. There isn't another chance how to do it. I don't see anything wrong on it. They don't play anything more on my account (they can't) and this os only beta. They play it because they love starcraft because they want to try it and they wasn't luck like me with beta key. I give my 2nd key to winner of SC1 tournament on LanCraft lanparty. I really don't need it and I'm happy for every player who can try SC2 because I know how good this game is. That's all. You can say I share account but I share account only for beta testing.There are hunderts, maybe thausends of shared accounts (not only on SC2 beta). Look on them and don't hate me if I want to give a chance to try our game which we wait many years for. I do it for the game, for the scene. Hi, Im not judging you or saying its wrong, im just curious because I think the only way I will be able to play, will be sharing an account with a teammate of mine. So I am wondering if it is possible, cause on SCL there have been reports of people getting banned for sharing, yet a few top platinum ranked players apparently are doing it and have not been banned yet (like your account).. So I am just wanting some clarification So you had no problems so far from blizzard in regards to your account? How far apart do you and the guys playing on your account live? | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
Division 7 - Artosis 1644 170 - 53 Division 2 - KiWiKaKi 1629 166 - 41 Division 2 - Smuft 1607 96 - 23 Division 2 - nMn 1556 114 - 31 Division 2 - Fayth 1501 120 - 44 Division 7 - philanderer 1493 64 - 22 Division 2 - Skew 1485 143 - 56 Division 2 - Siccles 1478 116 - 41 Division 6 - OverSky 1465 205 - 63 Division 6 - Machine 1465 110 - 29 | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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tec27
United States3700 Posts
On February 25 2010 22:33 torm3ntin wrote: blizz should make this rank stuff somewhat easyer for us to see... I would imagine a website is in the works, similar to the armory for WoW Arenas. I hope, anyway. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 25 2010 16:09 Jump wrote: hio, on my SC2 account plays w0nder (P) and Predy (T). I don't hide it. I played SC2 on various events before beta and ten first 10 games on my beta account. That's enough for me and I don't want to play it now (I'm very busy and will be next few weeks). I asked w0nder end predy (because they are my closed friends) if they want to try it. There isn't another chance how to do it. I don't see anything wrong on it. They don't play anything more on my account (they can't) and this os only beta. They play it because they love starcraft because they want to try it and they wasn't luck like me with beta key. I give my 2nd key to winner of SC1 tournament on LanCraft lanparty. I really don't need it and I'm happy for every player who can try SC2 because I know how good this game is. That's all. You can say I share account but I share account only for beta testing.There are hunderts, maybe thausends of shared accounts (not only on SC2 beta). Look on them and don't hate me if I want to give a chance to try our game which we wait many years for. I do it for the game, for the scene. I don't see anything wrong with account sharing at all at this point (it's only wrong for tournaments IMO), but I'm just repeating what we were told by Blizzard when we asked if we could share keys between staff. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On February 25 2010 22:17 theqat wrote: http://news.replays.net/page/20100225/1454709.html replays.net has a US top 10 by ELO. At least I think that's what it is--I can't read Chinese. Anyway, here it is: Division 7 - Artosis 1644 170 - 53 Division 2 - KiWiKaKi 1629 166 - 41 Division 2 - Smuft 1607 96 - 23 Division 2 - nMn 1556 114 - 31 Division 2 - Fayth 1501 120 - 44 Division 7 - philanderer 1493 64 - 22 Division 2 - Skew 1485 143 - 56 Division 2 - Siccles 1478 116 - 41 Division 6 - OverSky 1465 205 - 63 Division 6 - Machine 1465 110 - 29 I don't think it's entirely accurate that they rank players by their Elo if they're in different divisions, since the amount of points you get for wins/loss appears to depend on the number of people in your division. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
And the other shared account i would think assume is TeamEG, not fnatic (sorry).. I mean, if it was a normal EG member, wouldnt they just make their name? | ||
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Jump
Czech Republic28 Posts
On February 26 2010 00:12 Skyze wrote: To the guys on Jump.. are you in different timezones/regions? And the other shared account i would think assume is TeamEG, not fnatic (sorry).. I mean, if it was a normal EG member, wouldnt they just make their name? We are from same country. | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
Wow, you don't see such a dominating terran often Would you be so nice as to share some of your replays? I'm having huge trouble counter zergs that hatch first on large maps.[/QUOTE]Yeh i'll be happy to share some replays soon - Hopefully gonna start a blog soon (i know everyone is, but not really many wc3 players i know of have) With replays, maybe some streams etc. Zerg is pretty tough on large maps - but i tend to find keeping pressure on be it with a small squad of rines/rauders + 2 medivacs and a helion here and there quite handy while expoing once or twice yourself onto either islands or right next to your base. teching up for either tanks/M&M+medivacs seems pretty key though, if they go broodlords quickly make some vikings and such. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Damn.. looks like im gonna be shit out of luck most likely from sharing with my friend then =/ hes on the west coast, im on the east coast =/ | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
This is after FE:ing btw. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On February 25 2010 23:52 Jyvblamo wrote: I don't think it's entirely accurate that they rank players by their Elo if they're in different divisions, since the amount of points you get for wins/loss appears to depend on the number of people in your division. Absolutely. It's still somewhat interesting, especially in that Artosis tops everyone coming from Div 7 and apparently the next Div 7 person is over 100 points below him. Div 2 is much more closely contested! | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote: DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC). This is after FE:ing btw. so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
It probably places you based on a hidden MMR that's influenced by a volatility or confidence value which starts with your placement games. After that it probably gives you elo points based on the difference between your MMR and your opponent's MMR, and when your MMR reaches a breakpoint you either ascend or descend a league (regardless of your elo). I think the elo is a byproduct of the system rather than anything defining, relatively speaking. If your elo is high, it means that you've beaten other players with high MMR who may or may not have a high elo rating. The Pro league, when and if that gets added, will probably encompass the top 1% of players. | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On February 26 2010 01:54 cuteFayth wrote: so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots. The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 26 2010 04:43 SwiftSpear wrote: I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots. The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA. Marines hard counter mutas. | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
mmm, fair enough. How dare you counter my bad advice I guess fayth just didn't build enough.I dunno, watch the replay, maby you didn't notice a high yield early expansion. I know KHB makes that mistake alot, so it's nothing to be too embarrassed about. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 26 2010 05:14 SwiftSpear wrote: mmm, fair enough. How dare you counter my bad advice I guess fayth just didn't build enough.I dunno, watch the replay, maby you didn't notice a high yield early expansion. I know KHB makes that mistake alot, so it's nothing to be too embarrassed about. I was so pissed after that game haha. I was talking to my roommate half the time and I thought it was over when I was sitting in front of your gates... Notes to self: bunker @ third if orbital, better rax placement/macro, get second starport on 3 bases, +1 Thors might be viable if opponent never goes immortals. If you go muta vs terran, you better also go Banelings. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
For mutas u can use marnies, ghost(snipe), and the thor. | ||
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Niten
United States598 Posts
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
There are quite some people who changed from ladder to custom games because of those +0/-30 games. You cannot win... | ||
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Niten
United States598 Posts
If you don't get points, it could just be that with the new waves there'll be a lot of 0-pt matches to get players properly placed. | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 26 2010 01:25 DeMusliM wrote: i haven't actually tried a thor opening, haven't had any trouble vs muta's thus far actually - or broodlings. It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk. How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 26 2010 07:17 FrozenArbiter wrote: How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines. Tanks also work, but the mobility issue makes me cry sometimes. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/568/louder1.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8251/louder2.jpg) lol.. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 26 2010 07:17 FrozenArbiter wrote: How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines. MinD just stimmed his rines and ran em back much like against lurkers. I think I build like 40 banelings in the game and a total of 2 or 3 hit. If you have sick micro you can definitely eat up banelings. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On February 26 2010 08:50 damenmofa wrote: MinD just stimmed his rines and ran em back much like against lurkers. I think I build like 40 banelings in the game and a total of 2 or 3 hit. If you have sick micro you can definitely eat up banelings. Thats y u mix with speedlings for the imba-surround. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On February 25 2010 22:17 theqat wrote: http://news.replays.net/page/20100225/1454709.html replays.net has a US top 10 by ELO. At least I think that's what it is--I can't read Chinese. Anyway, here it is: Division 7 - Artosis 1644 170 - 53 Division 2 - KiWiKaKi 1629 166 - 41 Division 2 - Smuft 1607 96 - 23 Division 2 - nMn 1556 114 - 31 Division 2 - Fayth 1501 120 - 44 Division 7 - philanderer 1493 64 - 22 Division 2 - Skew 1485 143 - 56 Division 2 - Siccles 1478 116 - 41 Division 6 - OverSky 1465 205 - 63 Division 6 - Machine 1465 110 - 29 ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/5wcn48.jpg) | ||
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Hevad Khan
United States158 Posts
ID: KhanYeWest 1443 | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:13 Hevad Khan wrote: I'm Division 8 #1 right now ID: KhanYeWest 1443 for platinum I assume. what is your rec? | ||
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Hevad Khan
United States158 Posts
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
Also says that David Kim fell out of top 10 (for all divisions). But he's still division 4 leader with 136-9? | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:32 Exteray wrote: http://news.replays.net/page/20100225/1454709.html Also says that David Kim fell out of top 10 (for all divisions). But he's still division 4 leader with 136-9? they're looking at ELO point ranking David Kim's ELO points are outside the top 10 | ||
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