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On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:
DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC).
This is after FE:ing btw.
so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks
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United States12240 Posts
I'm pretty sure that the league rankings are relative to the whole, so something like the top 10% will be in Platinum, top 25% in Gold, top 50% Silver, top 75% Bronze, remainder Copper.
It probably places you based on a hidden MMR that's influenced by a volatility or confidence value which starts with your placement games. After that it probably gives you elo points based on the difference between your MMR and your opponent's MMR, and when your MMR reaches a breakpoint you either ascend or descend a league (regardless of your elo). I think the elo is a byproduct of the system rather than anything defining, relatively speaking. If your elo is high, it means that you've beaten other players with high MMR who may or may not have a high elo rating.
The Pro league, when and if that gets added, will probably encompass the top 1% of players.
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On February 26 2010 01:54 cuteFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:
DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC).
This is after FE:ing btw. so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks
I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots.
The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA.
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On February 26 2010 04:43 SwiftSpear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 01:54 cuteFayth wrote:On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:
DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC).
This is after FE:ing btw. so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots. The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA.
Marines hard counter mutas.
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On February 26 2010 05:05 CowGoMoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 04:43 SwiftSpear wrote:On February 26 2010 01:54 cuteFayth wrote:On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:
DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC).
This is after FE:ing btw. so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots. The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA. Marines hard counter mutas.
mmm, fair enough. How dare you counter my bad advice  I guess fayth just didn't build enough.
I dunno, watch the replay, maby you didn't notice a high yield early expansion. I know KHB makes that mistake alot, so it's nothing to be too embarrassed about.
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On February 26 2010 05:14 SwiftSpear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 05:05 CowGoMoo wrote:On February 26 2010 04:43 SwiftSpear wrote:On February 26 2010 01:54 cuteFayth wrote:On February 26 2010 01:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:
DeMusliM, how do you feel about making Thor vs muta openings? I've only just started doing that but it's been succesful so far, and the factory is good vs pretty much all openings (tanks vs hydras, hellions vs baneling ling, both thor and tanks do well vs roach IIRC).
This is after FE:ing btw. so thor are needed to counter Mutalisks? I played some zerg yesterday I fast expoed and was defended against his first 6 mutalisks (did no damage or barely any) he THEN expoed and he proceeded to rape me with strictly mutalisks lol... I couldn,t do shit (I was making marines/medivacs) and a load of turrets, but turrets seems like super duper shit vs mutalisks I think Muta's are considered a counter to marines, because their projectile bounce just does rip through amounts of damage when added up on small units. Thor's in comparison, while not doing a huge amount of damage, are nearly invincible to the muta shots. The real counter to muta's are vikings. Muta's are a little weak to all armored units, and vikings are armored AA. Marines hard counter mutas. mmm, fair enough. How dare you counter my bad advice I guess fayth just didn't build enough. I dunno, watch the replay, maby you didn't notice a high yield early expansion. I know KHB makes that mistake alot, so it's nothing to be too embarrassed about.
I was so pissed after that game haha. I was talking to my roommate half the time and I thought it was over when I was sitting in front of your gates... Notes to self: bunker @ third if orbital, better rax placement/macro, get second starport on 3 bases, +1 Thors might be viable if opponent never goes immortals.
If you go muta vs terran, you better also go Banelings.
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Vikings are bad vs mutas, good vs corr/guardian and overlords/overseer.
For mutas u can use marnies, ghost(snipe), and the thor.
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Is there anyway Artosis (or anyone else) can edit the OP to be up to date with the leader board? I think it'd be fun to keep track of.
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wtf is this , i keep getting 0 point for a win
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you get 0 points because you get match ups vs very bad players. Happens because there are only 100 decent players in beta or so. Laddering wont make much sense when you are at the top right now, you need to wait for the next beta wave so new and good players bring new points into the game which you can steal.
There are quite some people who changed from ladder to custom games because of those +0/-30 games. You cannot win...
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Can anyone confirm that you do, or do not, get points winning someone else's placement matches?
If you don't get points, it could just be that with the new waves there'll be a lot of 0-pt matches to get players properly placed.
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i've been getting 0 pts the past 3 games too, something's wrong, they shudnt match us up with super low ranked players
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I would think you would get some small generic amount of points for placement matches. But maby it is zero.
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On February 26 2010 01:25 DeMusliM wrote:
i haven't actually tried a thor opening, haven't had any trouble vs muta's thus far actually - or broodlings.
It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk.
How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines.
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On February 26 2010 07:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 01:25 DeMusliM wrote:
i haven't actually tried a thor opening, haven't had any trouble vs muta's thus far actually - or broodlings.
It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk. How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines.
Tanks also work, but the mobility issue makes me cry sometimes.
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On February 26 2010 07:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 01:25 DeMusliM wrote:
i haven't actually tried a thor opening, haven't had any trouble vs muta's thus far actually - or broodlings.
It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk. How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines.
MinD just stimmed his rines and ran em back much like against lurkers. I think I build like 40 banelings in the game and a total of 2 or 3 hit. If you have sick micro you can definitely eat up banelings.
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Omg i need to watch how MinD does this, is there a replay of him owning banelings with marines?
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On February 26 2010 08:50 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 07:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 26 2010 01:25 DeMusliM wrote:
i haven't actually tried a thor opening, haven't had any trouble vs muta's thus far actually - or broodlings.
It could kinda work, but i think it's almost not worth the risk. How do you defend marine balls vs banelings without hellions o.O? It seems like it'd be hard, since only a couple need to get through to take out a huge clump of marines. MinD just stimmed his rines and ran em back much like against lurkers. I think I build like 40 banelings in the game and a total of 2 or 3 hit. If you have sick micro you can definitely eat up banelings.
Thats y u mix with speedlings for the imba-surround.
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What are the rankings now? Can we check them online from blizzard some how?
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