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VoAchilles
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
April 12 2011 20:44 GMT
#17741
Thought: Queen Drops. Use creep with the overlords once you get to their base, and mass transfuses keep your army alive and kicking.
History shall be kind to me, for I intend to write it. - Winston Churchill
Diddleydoo
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland4 Posts
April 13 2011 06:49 GMT
#17742
I've managed the Funday Monday a few times already. OK, I'm only silver league but it CAN work.

I go expand with mass spines (or mass spines then expand depending on the map) and then go all out macro and pump around 6-10 infestors with burrow. Using these you can keep the enemy in check while teching up to broodlords. Corruptors are also a good stop-gap to stop drops or colossi.

Once you have some kind of map control you can throw out a few ultras to really finish the enemy off.

It feels risky and weak but the key is enough spine crawlers and spore crawlers. These buy you enough time to get the other units out.
Onkle
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden8 Posts
April 13 2011 12:27 GMT
#17743
Day9 should really do a let's play of the SC1 campain. Or a marathon or something.
I never have anything worthy to say, so why should I quote anything I say?
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 13 2011 13:37 GMT
#17744
The next funday monday is pretty silly, because, when you think about it, the zerg units you can make are all support units. Ultra are freaking bad without support, BL need to be protected, queens don't do any dps at all to ground and infestor are a pure support.

I don't think we'll see good games.. mostly silly ones that won't make you learn anything about your usual games.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
HySpeed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8 Posts
April 13 2011 14:07 GMT
#17745
On April 13 2011 05:19 PhantomNVD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 23:48 HySpeed wrote:
On April 12 2011 21:46 HySpeed wrote:


User was warned for this post


-- that's a pretty effing stupid bot...


Lolz... and if they warning you for it... surely it should have the image removed, or the post deleted?


Turns out the bot tagged me because it was a "one word post". So a url tag with a url in it is only one word. Ah well, lesson learned.
Thoughts become things
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 15:48:05
April 13 2011 15:47 GMT
#17746
On April 13 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:
The next funday monday is pretty silly, because, when you think about it, the zerg units you can make are all support units. Ultra are freaking bad without support, BL need to be protected, queens don't do any dps at all to ground and infestor are a pure support.

I don't think we'll see good games.. mostly silly ones that won't make you learn anything about your usual games.


Sean's been talking a lot about how good infestors are in general... I'd focus on getting them out asap and then transitioning into higher tech Or just go all infestors/ queen/ spines lol

Gonna be really gas heavy though x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 16:16:05
April 13 2011 16:06 GMT
#17747
On April 14 2011 00:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:
The next funday monday is pretty silly, because, when you think about it, the zerg units you can make are all support units. Ultra are freaking bad without support, BL need to be protected, queens don't do any dps at all to ground and infestor are a pure support.

I don't think we'll see good games.. mostly silly ones that won't make you learn anything about your usual games.


Sean's been talking a lot about how good infestors are in general... I'd focus on getting them out asap and then transitioning into higher tech Or just go all infestors/ queen/ spines lol

Gonna be really gas heavy though x.x


Infestor are good but they're support unit.
It like saying, HTs are good. Next daily, only make HTs !

Infestor need to support something, and support only ultra / BL is not that great.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
MechaCthulhu
Profile Joined November 2010
United States136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 16:41:54
April 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#17748
I'm working with a friend right now to try to help him improve. I'm a Silver league player (I know that means I suck ;P), but my friend his much worse than I am--out of 30+ games (with me off-racing in the majority of them), he managed to only beat me once.

I'm trying to put together some good information for him, starting with some Dailies. Right now, I have:
#184 Newbie Tuesday #1
#189 Newbie Tuesday: Losing to Early Pressure
#191 How to Analyze a Map and Adjust Your Play

What other Dailies would be good for someone really just starting out with RTS? (If it matters, he's chosen to play Terran.)

Edit: To clarify, I'm looking to help improve the very basics of the game. He's having problems everyone new to RTS/Starcraft has. Not producing workers all the time, getting supply blocked, spending too much time concentrating on battles and not on constantly using his production facilities, etc.
That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 13 2011 16:42 GMT
#17749
On April 14 2011 01:06 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 00:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 13 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:
The next funday monday is pretty silly, because, when you think about it, the zerg units you can make are all support units. Ultra are freaking bad without support, BL need to be protected, queens don't do any dps at all to ground and infestor are a pure support.

I don't think we'll see good games.. mostly silly ones that won't make you learn anything about your usual games.


Sean's been talking a lot about how good infestors are in general... I'd focus on getting them out asap and then transitioning into higher tech Or just go all infestors/ queen/ spines lol

Gonna be really gas heavy though x.x


Infestor are good but they're support unit.
It like saying, HTs are good. Next daily, only make HTs !

Infestor need to support something, and support only ultra / BL is not that great.


In decent numbers, infestors only need something to help with full out pushes, and only if they're not terran bio or something. Making lings or roaches when the enemy pushes out is generally enough.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
April 13 2011 16:42 GMT
#17750
On April 14 2011 01:37 MechaCthulhu wrote:
I'm working with a friend right now to try to help him improve. I'm a Silver league player (I know that means I suck ;P), but my friend his much worse than I am--out of 30+ games (with me off-racing in the majority of them), he managed to only beat me once.

I'm trying to put together some good information for him, starting with some Dailies. Right now, I have:
#184 Newbie Tuesday #1
#189 Newbie Tuesday: Losing to Early Pressure
#191 How to Analyze a Map and Adjust Your Play

What other Dailies would be good for someone really just starting out with RTS? (If it matters, he's chosen to play Terran.)

Edit: To clarify, I'm looking to help improve the very basics of the game. He's having problems everyone new to RTS/Starcraft has. Not producing workers all the time, getting supply blocked, spending too much time concentrating on battles and not on constantly using his production facilities, etc.


i do believe 252 is the one where he goes into deatil about some important real life things for sc2
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 17:10:25
April 13 2011 17:05 GMT
#17751
On April 13 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:
All funday monday's are pretty silly, because, when you think about it,... THATS THE POINT

I... think we'll see good games.. mostly silly ones that will teach you something you would never learn, playing... your usual games.


Fixes in Bold

Do you seriously not get how this will help you improve your gameplay and learn about the game, no matter how silly it seems. Your a fool if you don't think that restricting yourself this much won't teach you a million things about zerg tier 3 (which almost no one uses).

Edit: When he picked only 2 gateways he originally thought that might be to hard. All the protoss players knew (or found out soon enough) they were completely fine getting by with only 2 gates (as long as they weren't being 4 gated). People need to just shutup when they disagree with people about the game sometimes. You have a right to disagree (see Idra and his Peers) but until you try it yourself, you shouldn't knock it. This game is soooo far from figured out its pathetic everytime I hear someone say "You shouldn't do that because its bad!" people are sooo afraid of losing they are afraid to try things for themselves it seems. Infuriating.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
eferiev
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1 Post
April 13 2011 17:15 GMT
#17752
I just wanted to say that last week's Funday Monday is similar to an old SC1 game called "Taucraft" : Every player gets to use their races drone/observer/transport. Then you pick 3 units. Your *opponent* tells you whether you get to use those 3 units or all the others.
Diddleydoo
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland4 Posts
April 13 2011 17:16 GMT
#17753
With 8 Infestors burrowed you can pretty much take out any expansion of the enemy if he doesn't have ample detection by spamming infested terrans.

Fungal is support, but Infested Marines can do real damage and fighten the bejeebies out of the opponent.
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
April 13 2011 17:21 GMT
#17754
On April 14 2011 01:37 MechaCthulhu wrote:
I'm working with a friend right now to try to help him improve. I'm a Silver league player (I know that means I suck ;P), but my friend his much worse than I am--out of 30+ games (with me off-racing in the majority of them), he managed to only beat me once.

I'm trying to put together some good information for him, starting with some Dailies. Right now, I have:
#184 Newbie Tuesday #1
#189 Newbie Tuesday: Losing to Early Pressure
#191 How to Analyze a Map and Adjust Your Play

What other Dailies would be good for someone really just starting out with RTS? (If it matters, he's chosen to play Terran.)

Edit: To clarify, I'm looking to help improve the very basics of the game. He's having problems everyone new to RTS/Starcraft has. Not producing workers all the time, getting supply blocked, spending too much time concentrating on battles and not on constantly using his production facilities, etc.


http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3991475/ - Day[9] Daily #163 - Gold Level: Fixing the Little Things
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3996172/ - Day[9] Daily #164 - Low Level Reps - In-game Decision Making

Those 2 were before newbie tuesdays started and are both really good. Certainly helped me out a lot when I watched them back in the day
Diddleydoo
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland4 Posts
April 13 2011 17:33 GMT
#17755
Oh and until 8 infestors come out you need LOTS of spine and spore crawlers just to stay alive.......
MechaCthulhu
Profile Joined November 2010
United States136 Posts
April 13 2011 17:49 GMT
#17756
On April 14 2011 01:42 Trict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 01:37 MechaCthulhu wrote:
I'm working with a friend right now to try to help him improve. I'm a Silver league player (I know that means I suck ;P), but my friend his much worse than I am--out of 30+ games (with me off-racing in the majority of them), he managed to only beat me once.

I'm trying to put together some good information for him, starting with some Dailies. Right now, I have:
#184 Newbie Tuesday #1
#189 Newbie Tuesday: Losing to Early Pressure
#191 How to Analyze a Map and Adjust Your Play

What other Dailies would be good for someone really just starting out with RTS? (If it matters, he's chosen to play Terran.)

Edit: To clarify, I'm looking to help improve the very basics of the game. He's having problems everyone new to RTS/Starcraft has. Not producing workers all the time, getting supply blocked, spending too much time concentrating on battles and not on constantly using his production facilities, etc.


i do believe 252 is the one where he goes into deatil about some important real life things for sc2


On April 14 2011 02:21 adwodon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 01:37 MechaCthulhu wrote:
I'm working with a friend right now to try to help him improve. I'm a Silver league player (I know that means I suck ;P), but my friend his much worse than I am--out of 30+ games (with me off-racing in the majority of them), he managed to only beat me once.

I'm trying to put together some good information for him, starting with some Dailies. Right now, I have:
#184 Newbie Tuesday #1
#189 Newbie Tuesday: Losing to Early Pressure
#191 How to Analyze a Map and Adjust Your Play

What other Dailies would be good for someone really just starting out with RTS? (If it matters, he's chosen to play Terran.)

Edit: To clarify, I'm looking to help improve the very basics of the game. He's having problems everyone new to RTS/Starcraft has. Not producing workers all the time, getting supply blocked, spending too much time concentrating on battles and not on constantly using his production facilities, etc.


http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3991475/ - Day[9] Daily #163 - Gold Level: Fixing the Little Things
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3996172/ - Day[9] Daily #164 - Low Level Reps - In-game Decision Making

Those 2 were before newbie tuesdays started and are both really good. Certainly helped me out a lot when I watched them back in the day


Thanks for the great suggestions
That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
deji
Profile Joined October 2010
Estonia46 Posts
April 13 2011 18:12 GMT
#17757
If you have access to 3 bases for gas, you can wall off with spines, get a couple of infestors and tech as fast as possible to brood lords. There's a pretty big timing window where a straight up push will kill you, but if he just tries to harass, you can hold off long enough.

Oh, and making nothing but drones and spines gets you an absurd mineral economy early in the game.
Diddleydoo
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland4 Posts
April 13 2011 18:20 GMT
#17758
To be all cool and stuff you could refer to it as a Spanshwa opening into mass crawlers (Spine and spore) and Infestors. Once you have enough infestors you can think about going on the offensive. 12 Lings don't cut much as an offensive force.
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 13 2011 21:33 GMT
#17759
Hey guys, quick question. I want to do the mass infestor / BL thing. When is he doing that funday monday. Is it next week or was it scheduled for yesterday. Also, where do we send him the replays
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
April 13 2011 21:48 GMT
#17760
Why is blip.tv not working anymore on my ipad D:
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