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IBashar
France40 Posts
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Jenslyn87
Denmark527 Posts
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Peekaboo
Canada219 Posts
The tournament has been quite interesting with the variety of openings. + Show Spoiler + TLO made a mistake going with the uber-harass hellion-reaper opening again in the third game. Tester was expecting it and TLO's opening was extremely vulnerable to air. Even if he had reacted better, and seen it slightly earlier, I'm not sure TLO could have held it off. | ||
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di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
On July 25 2010 01:17 AyJay wrote: I loved QXC micro ^^ ya his Marine control was pretty baller.. i wish TLO would have won do would have loved seeing Idra rage some more.. game 2 was awsome for anyone that hasont seen it check it out.. | ||
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Graven
United States314 Posts
On July 25 2010 01:48 di4m0nd wrote: i wish TLO would have won do would have loved seeing Idra rage some more.. game 2 was awsome for anyone that hasont seen it check it out.. + Show Spoiler + Idra only lost Game 2 because of the NP nerf. I hope someone at Blizzard sees that game and realizes how they've completely destroyed the ability. Even more to the point, if Zerg players weren't forced to get an Infestation Pit for Hive tech -- and could get a Spire instead -- Idra would have been able to combat the BC's with Corrupters instead of Infesters, ruining any chance TLO had of winning that game. Don't get me wrong, I love TLO, but Idra is head and shoulders above him as a player...it's unfortunate that he has to deal with crappy, anti-Zerg maps and a tech tree designed to handicap the race. | ||
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Cyba
Romania221 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + As for NP saying that game proves something is sad. All it proves is idra's poor timing and micro since not only once he had the bc's mced and couldn't use them properly. To top it off the final atack he had a chance, but went in with no energy and mc-ed the same bc twice... I'm not saying anything about who the winner should have been but turning this into a rant about zerg is silly. You don't just expect NP to counter every high tier unit under every circumstance do you ? | ||
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PsykoMantis
United States203 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + his patience to wait till his roachs had almost popped from the eggs and the tanks were unsieged to attack, and all the while researching overlord drop for the counter. When he attacked the thors as the tanks were moving in he got the bigger arc and the eggs with roachs just popped allowing for instant reinforcements, it was really well played imo. and 1 thing to add, idra didnt rage the 2nd game when he got beat by bcs, he gged out of it. edit: added spoilerzz | ||
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Graven
United States314 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:46 Cyba wrote: Idra is quite mediocre compared to the other players in that tournament, while his style is solid his play isn't as smart or as dinamic as the other guys. His raging lameness doesn't make him seem any more pro either. + Show Spoiler + As for NP saying that game proves something is sad. All it proves is idra's poor timing and micro since not only once he had the bc's mced and couldn't use them properly. To top it off the final atack he had a chance, but went in with no energy and mc-ed the same bc twice... I'm not saying anything about who the winner should have been but turning this into a rant about zerg is silly. You don't just expect NP to counter every high tier unit under every circumstance do you ? + Show Spoiler + I expect NP to hard counter capital ships and other massive T3 units. If it doesn't do that, it has no value. Do you not expect Storm to counter marines? Or cloaked Banshees to counter an opponent without detection? It's even worse now in NP's case because Zerg are required to build an Infestation Pit, even though it's now very common than Infesters will have no value to a Zerg army. The point is simple enough...if Idra had a Spire instead of an IP in Game 2, he wouldn't have lost. Unfortunately, Blizzard makes the decision unfairly weighted. As for you feeling that Idra is mediocre, other than calling you mean names insulting your intelligence, I don't have much of a response. | ||
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Cyba
Romania221 Posts
I expect NP to hard counter capital ships and other massive T3 units. If it doesn't do that, it has no value. Do you not expect Storm to counter marines? Or cloaked Banshees to counter an opponent without detection? It's even worse now in NP's case because Zerg are required to build an Infestation Pit, even though it's now very common than Infesters will have no value to a Zerg army. That's just a simplistic view on things. If he forced the fight into a decent position and actually focus fired some he would have easily won. He was just outmaneuvered. Storm won't kill marines if you miss with it will it. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:53 Graven wrote: + Show Spoiler + I expect NP to hard counter capital ships and other massive T3 units. If it doesn't do that, it has no value. Do you not expect Storm to counter marines? Or cloaked Banshees to counter an opponent without detection? It's even worse now in NP's case because Zerg are required to build an Infestation Pit, even though it's now very common than Infesters will have no value to a Zerg army. The point is simple enough...if Idra had a Spire instead of an IP in Game 2, he wouldn't have lost. Unfortunately, Blizzard makes the decision unfairly weighted. As for you feeling that Idra is mediocre, other than calling you mean names insulting your intelligence, I don't have much of a response. + Show Spoiler + YOU SHALL NOT USE WORD COUNTER IN THIS THREAD | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On July 23 2010 19:26 PredY wrote: qxc showed some impressive play with great timings and army composition what's up with dimaga's play though? 1base roach/bling too often for my liking lately. +1 did he actually expect to win vs rainbow with that strat on steppes? | ||
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Graven
United States314 Posts
Zerg is a race built around counters...it's entirely reactionary. I don't care how you've misinterpreted Day9's view, but "counters" are very real. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:53 Graven wrote: + Show Spoiler + I expect NP to hard counter capital ships and other massive T3 units. If it doesn't do that, it has no value. Do you not expect Storm to counter marines? Or cloaked Banshees to counter an opponent without detection? It's even worse now in NP's case because Zerg are required to build an Infestation Pit, even though it's now very common than Infesters will have no value to a Zerg army. The point is simple enough...if Idra had a Spire instead of an IP in Game 2, he wouldn't have lost. Unfortunately, Blizzard makes the decision unfairly weighted. As for you feeling that Idra is mediocre, other than calling you mean names insulting your intelligence, I don't have much of a response. + Show Spoiler + NP does very well against them, he just didn't get all of them. If he had a ground army and a few BCs, NPing the BCs would completely destroy TLO, but since it was pure BC and idra could only get like half of them at once, they weren't that effective at killing the other BCs. | ||
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BillyMole
United States118 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:37 Graven wrote: + Show Spoiler + Idra only lost Game 2 because of the NP nerf. I hope someone at Blizzard sees that game and realizes how they've completely destroyed the ability. Even more to the point, if Zerg players weren't forced to get an Infestation Pit for Hive tech -- and could get a Spire instead -- Idra would have been able to combat the BC's with Corrupters instead of Infesters, ruining any chance TLO had of winning that game. Don't get me wrong, I love TLO, but Idra is head and shoulders above him as a player...it's unfortunate that he has to deal with crappy, anti-Zerg maps and a tech tree designed to handicap the race. No, IdrA lost Game 2 because of poor strategy. He chose to try to counter BC's with Hydras and Infestors, and he paid for it. NP has always been a poor choice against BC's, clearly IdrA really wanted to keep his trademark mass Hydras going. He had the spire, he threw it down as soon as he saw the first BC. He had more than enough time and money to mass up Corruptors and knock the BC's down, which would have won the game. He chose not to, and lost because of it. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 25 2010 05:26 BillyMole wrote: No, IdrA lost Game 2 because of poor strategy. He chose to try to counter BC's with Hydras and Infestors, and he paid for it. NP has always been a poor choice against BC's, clearly IdrA really wanted to keep his trademark mass Hydras going. He had the spire, he threw it down as soon as he saw the first BC. He had more than enough time and money to mass up Corruptors and knock the BC's down, which would have won the game. He chose not to, and lost because of it. Infestors are the perfect hard counter to BCs. It's just that in the patch they were playing in, the NP skill was nerfed to 12 seconds. It was reverted and NP became unlimited again but that was after the tourny was played. Idra should have won and would have won in any other patch. | ||
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
"Lurkers didn't exist in SC vanilla. You used lurkers to beat me. If this was vanilla I would have won." | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On July 25 2010 06:14 youngminii wrote: Infestors are the perfect hard counter to BCs. It's just that in the patch they were playing in, the NP skill was nerfed to 12 seconds. It was reverted and NP became unlimited again but that was after the tourny was played. Idra should have won and would have won in any other patch. No, NP was not reverted back to unlimited in patch 17. It is still only 12 seconds. Even so, had Idra better micro'd by attacking the BCs after TLO started to retreat, but before NP wore off, he would have lost far less hydras and been in a much better position. | ||
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BillyMole
United States118 Posts
On July 25 2010 06:14 youngminii wrote: Infestors are the perfect hard counter to BCs. It's just that in the patch they were playing in, the NP skill was nerfed to 12 seconds. It was reverted and NP became unlimited again but that was after the tourny was played. Idra should have won and would have won in any other patch. No, even when it was unlimited, Infestor+Hydra is an inferior choice vs BC's, because they're all or nothing. You either hit ALL the BC's at once with NP (or at the very most, leave 1, maybe two un-controlled), or the BC's pop all the Infestors rapidly, then bake the Hydras, which are very inefficient vs BC's. This is in sharp contrast to Corruptors, which are extremely efficient vs them. But hey, that's just my opinion. You go ahead and use NP against them, and I'll use Corruptors, and we'll see who does better. Regardless, had IdrA gotten a mere 20 or so corruptors, he would have rolled TLO in that game. | ||
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TrzystaDrzew
Poland72 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:53 Graven wrote: + Show Spoiler + I expect NP to hard counter capital ships and other massive T3 units. If it doesn't do that, it has no value. Do you not expect Storm to counter marines? Or cloaked Banshees to counter an opponent without detection? It's even worse now in NP's case because Zerg are required to build an Infestation Pit, even though it's now very common than Infesters will have no value to a Zerg army. The point is simple enough...if Idra had a Spire instead of an IP in Game 2, he wouldn't have lost. Unfortunately, Blizzard makes the decision unfairly weighted. As for you feeling that Idra is mediocre, other than calling you mean names insulting your intelligence, I don't have much of a response. + Show Spoiler + 1. idra had a spire since midgame 2. if you think a 12 second "stun" + the dmg they deal for you is not enough for a 100 energy spell then seriously never comment on anything in the game again. apparently 4 infestors should > 5+ cruisers to make you happy. | ||
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