EPTI would like to know who agree on that.
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
I would like to know who agree on that. | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:43 Holgerius wrote: I completely agree. For instance, Violet maelstromed Hydras and stormed them all to death during his push. DA's come to great use in the late game, so it's not like the investment is bad just because he doesn't make mutas. The maelstrom on the hydras wasn't important because the storm got off, it was important because it prevented hyuk from sniping his obs with that group like he was attempting to do. Killing 4 or 5 hydras for free with storm is nice, but 2 dts could probably do more damage. | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
can you explain that? | ||
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icyF
Finland305 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Sure. Basically, even if he hadn't maelstromed the hydras, his storm would still have done at least some damage to a few hydras. The two dts would be more useful for potential harass, and in combat would likely deal something like 2-3 hits each in normal combat, so say 160-240 damage? The storm killed 5 hydras, I think, which is 80*5 = 400 damage. It comes down to how well the dts are used, but the DTs have more potential damage than the dark archon does at that stage in the game, excepting mutas. | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
-potential harass is almost out of the picture in actual PvZ with nice simcities and ovies all over the expas, you are just asking to get those 2 dts killed... and its still POTENTIAL harass. - 2-3 hits... before dying, right? dts are not that used because they die so easily in actual mid-game combat... And you mention again that they have more "potential damage" but let me tell you: when landing a maelstrom on mutas there is no POTENTIAL damage... it is 98% assured they will actually die (with storms or just goons), and when you land a maelstrom on hydras there is no potential damage either... it is 90% sure they die... are you following me? So you go with your dts and check if you can harass, you find out you cant, what is preferred to do? I would say DA... it is more cost effective than suiciding two dts in a main attack. But thats why we need more opinions because maybe I am totally wrong and that video of Violet kicking Hyuks ass after those well placed maelstroms was just a coincidence and wont happen again... | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 11 2009 07:20 RaptorX wrote: sorry... but: -potential harass is almost out of the picture in actual PvZ with nice simcities and ovies all over the expas, you are just asking to get those 2 dts killed... and its still POTENTIAL harass. - 2-3 hits... before dying, right? dts are not that used because they die so easily in actual mid-game combat... And you mention again that they have more "potential damage" but let me tell you: when landing a maelstrom on mutas there is no POTENTIAL damage... it is 98% assured they will actually die (with storms or just goons), and when you land a maelstrom on hydras there is no potential damage either... it is 90% sure they die... are you following me? So you go with your dts and check if you can harass, you find out you cant, what is preferred to do? I would say DA... it is more cost effective than suiciding two dts in a main attack. But thats why we need more opinions because maybe I am totally wrong and that video of Violet kicking Hyuks ass after those well placed maelstroms was just a coincidence and wont happen again... I wasn't talking about the maestrom on the mutas. I was talking very specifically about the one on the hydralisks, ie, in the case that mutalisks hadn't been made, then the dts would have been the better choice, but even then not by a huge amount. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On November 11 2009 07:20 RaptorX wrote: sorry... but: -potential harass is almost out of the picture in actual PvZ with nice simcities and ovies all over the expas, you are just asking to get those 2 dts killed... and its still POTENTIAL harass. - 2-3 hits... before dying, right? dts are not that used because they die so easily in actual mid-game combat... And you mention again that they have more "potential damage" but let me tell you: when landing a maelstrom on mutas there is no POTENTIAL damage... it is 98% assured they will actually die (with storms or just goons), and when you land a maelstrom on hydras there is no potential damage either... it is 90% sure they die... are you following me? So you go with your dts and check if you can harass, you find out you cant, what is preferred to do? I would say DA... it is more cost effective than suiciding two dts in a main attack. But thats why we need more opinions because maybe I am totally wrong and that video of Violet kicking Hyuks ass after those well placed maelstroms was just a coincidence and wont happen again... I personally think the psychological effect of a DA roaming around is much more worth it than 2 DT's. Almost every game I've seen where the toss uses DA's the Zerg goes out of his way to surround and kill that DA. | ||
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Zubins
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T.O.P.
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On November 11 2009 12:17 Kuo wrote: am i the only one lagging? No, There's major lag going on. If you're reading this Day 9. Please stop recording and start again. It'll fix the lag. | ||
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infinity21
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T.O.P.
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On November 11 2009 12:21 Sinensis wrote: Crazy lag. I hope he notices soon. He doesn't notice because he doesn't watch his own stream. This really sucks cause I can not make out what he's saying at all. | ||
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