The Thor: Identity Crisis - Page 8

On October 23 2009 02:12 Unentschieden wrote:
The Thor is EFFECTIVE against everything but only EFFICIENT against light air. As such it fits Terrans perfectly.

On October 23 2009 02:29 Ryuu314 wrote:

when beta comes out I really want to see someone test out how well Thors respond to carriers. Because just looking at the numbers, it seems to me that the Thor would be able to destroy interceptors really easily...

On October 23 2009 03:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:


When I played the Blizzcon build, I had one Thor that I built in response to a Carrier my opponent built. The Carrier just crushed my Thor and sustained very little damage in return. As Carrier and Thor numbers increased (only slightly, mind you), my Thor/Missile Turret combinations were still dying decisively. You would think that with their supply cost, resource cost, and build time that they would be able to go toe-to-toe against Carriers, but it's clearly not so.

Maybe it's just a weird version of the Factory, but if it's cheap enough, the Terran could build it fairly far afield/ proxy it. (But it couldn't be built literally anywhere and the Terran would actually have to prepare to go mass Thors.) It wouldn't tie up factories, but it would tie up an scv.

Just a thought.

When I played the Blizzcon build, I had one Thor that I built in response to a Carrier my opponent built. The Carrier just crushed my Thor and sustained very little damage in return.

On October 23 2009 05:21 Kaboo wrote:


Im going to act like a parrot and say it again:

I really like the idea of a factory transforming into a thor. Its simple, its epic and it gives the Thor a unique twist. You can build it anywhere, fly it anywhere(as a factory) and you'll have to protect it while it builds. It sets the size of the Thor and it wouldnt require much work on blizzards side. The animation is already there for both the factory build and the Thor build.

On another note:


In my opinion an equal investment in Thors should beat Carriers. The reason is that carriers are more mobile and can choose when to fight.

Carriers cost more than Thor, and thus why they should be able to beat Thors. Mobility? Did you watch how slow carriers are?

On October 23 2009 06:00 Kaboo wrote:


When i say equal investment I mean resources of course, not number of units. Regarding mobility, the carriers fly and the Thor walks.

On October 23 2009 07:16 Shiladie wrote:
OK, I got the majority of the way through this thread, so if these things are suggested at the end I appologise.

1)
When they die they leave a bunker-like structure. This blocks movement, and leaves very interesting positional oppertunities for where the terran wants their Thor's to die as to reinforce their line with a (possibly weaker then normal) bunker.

2)
Factory transforms into it, so you have to sacrifice a factory to build one, this would obviously mean a heavy discount on the cost, but it would allow for a reasonably fast emergency response, as well as leaving the oppertunity to build a thor out in the field, it just has to be a factory first.

People may scream at number 2 at first, but think about it, it's the same kinda thing as building a hydralisk to get a lurker, just with a building. True it will take a bit longer to get a Thor from scratch if you don't want to sac an existing factory, but it gives the terran the ability for a quick switch to counter air, while still making it a strategic descision.

edit:
bah, somebody else thought of the factory xforming into the Thor, well hopefully this means it's an idea many people find attractive.

On that note, does anybody see a glaring problem with xforming a factory to a Thor that we havn't thought of?
It works themactically, it works to limit their numbers, and it gives the terran a versitility without making it an overpowering ability to techswitch

On October 23 2009 07:53 Ryuu314 wrote:

While the whole Factory transforming into a Thor idea is interesting and will help with balance, it just doesn't seem...right?

I mean, personally i think it just screams Night Elf from WC3 :\ I'd rather not see buildings that are also units.

On October 23 2009 07:16 Shiladie wrote:


People may scream at number 2 at first, but think about it, it's the same kinda thing as building a hydralisk to get a lurker, just with a building. True it will take a bit longer to get a Thor from scratch if you don't want to sac an existing factory, but it gives the terran the ability for a quick switch to counter air, while still making it a strategic descision.

edit:
bah, somebody else thought of the factory xforming into the Thor, well hopefully this means it's an idea many people find attractive.

On that note, does anybody see a glaring problem with xforming a factory to a Thor that we havn't thought of?
It works themactically, it works to limit their numbers, and it gives the terran a versitility without making it an overpowering ability to techswitch

On October 23 2009 07:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
I mean, personally i think it just screams Night Elf from WC3 :\ I'd rather not see buildings that are also units.

On October 23 2009 07:59 AzureEye wrote:


I think its a bad idea. Why Hydralisks turning into Lurker was *reasonable was because Lurker tech was researched from Hydra den, therefore, there was a connection between them. Why Hydralisks turning into Lurker was *not overpowered was because lurkers, in mass numbers, was a powerful force but not a game-determining force. Imagine T vs. P, both their armies almost gone and resources completely drained. Well guess what? The Terran transforms his 10 factories into 10 Thors (which is a devastating army compared to 10 lurkers) and that is enough to determine the game outcome. Additionally, Factory cost is not very high, meaning Thor cost would be even more reduced than the already pretty low cost.

It just makes T units way way too cost-efficient; and they were already the most cost efficient race in Broodwar. Imagine every game, a T will go for a timing push in ADDITION to his factories turning into Thors for an all-in push that no opponent can stop.

Does that even sound remotely fair to you?
Lets let Protoss Gateways turn into Carriers and see how many T players will complain