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Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
August 29 2009 01:54 GMT
#21
I am actually really liking this system, I'm genuinely impressed. GJ blizzard.
LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
August 29 2009 02:04 GMT
#22
I'm curious as to what metrics will be used to determine what league you will end up in. Are the first 10 games played against random league players or are they considered "leagueless" and will limit you to only playing other people who aren't in a league yet? I can imagine someone getting lucky matchups against bad players and winning 10 games in a row, then being placed too high in the league system. Game stats like APM aren't really a good measure of skill either, so I'm sure the launch will be similar to a new iccup season then get fleshed over time.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2009 02:11 GMT
#23
Gonna have to look into this more, but it seems like ICCup ranks, except wiith greater granularity, due to the bracket system. Seems like a good thing.
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killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
August 29 2009 02:15 GMT
#24
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.
DJ, put it back on!
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
August 29 2009 02:24 GMT
#25
killanator thats the whole point of D- though, its so that you can play people your level. the problem is that we have too many people resetting/transferring so that their stats are 1000 again. im trying to get iCCup to reduce the number of clearstats/transfers you can do
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
August 29 2009 02:26 GMT
#26
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 02:31:45
August 29 2009 02:30 GMT
#27
On August 29 2009 11:26 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
Bronze is supposed to be a weak league... Having a weak league is a good thing.

I think you're grossly underestimating the millions and millions of newbs that are going to play this game at release.

Probably all but one of the SC players I know IRL would rarely win a d- game.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
August 29 2009 02:38 GMT
#28
On August 29 2009 11:30 Tsagacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2009 11:26 fabiano wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
Bronze is supposed to be a weak league... Having a weak league is a good thing.

I think you're grossly underestimating the millions and millions of newbs that are going to play this game at release.

Probably all but one of the SC players I know IRL would rarely win a d- game.


yeah, don't forget those numbers that even if you're a D+ you're better than something like 95% of people who have ever played starcraft, iccup C would probably be equivalent to the platinum league in this system as-is
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 29 2009 02:59 GMT
#29
wonder if it has ranking within the leagues, O_o can't wait to be in copper lol
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
August 29 2009 03:03 GMT
#30
On August 29 2009 11:59 StorrZerg wrote:
wonder if it has ranking within the leagues, O_o can't wait to be in copper lol


yeah it looks like each league is broken up like copper A, copper B, etc.
Theclutch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States119 Posts
August 29 2009 03:14 GMT
#31
On August 29 2009 10:44 cgrinker wrote:
This "Pro League" sounds like something that I've seen before. Hmm.........


I couldn't imagine where you would have heard that before. Perhaps football?
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
August 29 2009 03:24 GMT
#32
On August 29 2009 11:38 zeppelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2009 11:30 Tsagacity wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:26 fabiano wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
Bronze is supposed to be a weak league... Having a weak league is a good thing.

I think you're grossly underestimating the millions and millions of newbs that are going to play this game at release.

Probably all but one of the SC players I know IRL would rarely win a d- game.


yeah, don't forget those numbers that even if you're a D+ you're better than something like 95% of people who have ever played starcraft, iccup C would probably be equivalent to the platinum league in this system as-is


we can't really guess at what iccup ranks will translate into since it all depends on how many players there are, if pro players play on bnet, etc...
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
August 29 2009 03:28 GMT
#33
On August 29 2009 12:24 madnessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2009 11:38 zeppelin wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:30 Tsagacity wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:26 fabiano wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
Bronze is supposed to be a weak league... Having a weak league is a good thing.

I think you're grossly underestimating the millions and millions of newbs that are going to play this game at release.

Probably all but one of the SC players I know IRL would rarely win a d- game.


yeah, don't forget those numbers that even if you're a D+ you're better than something like 95% of people who have ever played starcraft, iccup C would probably be equivalent to the platinum league in this system as-is


we can't really guess at what iccup ranks will translate into since it all depends on how many players there are, if pro players play on bnet, etc...
I think he's just saying that today's D+ gamers are going to be fucking amazing compared to a lot of the crowd at SC2's release.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
August 29 2009 03:31 GMT
#34
o, this makes sense now when they said you should winning about half your games. if you win more, you should obv move up a league. if you win less, youll probably stay or go down. if youre jumping back and forth, then youve probably found where you should be
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:39:56
August 29 2009 03:35 GMT
#35
I'm assuming that photo came from BlizzCon, so curious if Blizzard explained what they had planned for it.

I'm hoping the league system works something like this:

- everyone gets slotted first at Practice League
- there's a rating system where players win or lose points playing each other
- opponents will be randomly matched in the same league. rating is not used in matchmaking other than determining league slotting.
- each league has a rating point tier and players get automattically slotted to that league once eclipsing the point tier. players will also be dropped down a league if their point total drops below a tier.
- disconnects = losses. if you have a bad connection, too bad.
- limit of 3 to 5 games playing the same opponent in a day.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
August 29 2009 03:36 GMT
#36
its prob. going to be an ELO ranking system.
555, kthxbai
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 03:40:48
August 29 2009 03:39 GMT
#37
On August 29 2009 12:35 udgnim wrote:
I'm assuming that photo came from BlizzCon, so curious if Blizzard explained what they had planned for it.

I'm hoping the league system works something like this:

- everyone gets slotted first at Practice League
- there's a rating system where players win or lose points playing each other
- each league has a rating point tier and players get automattically slotted to that league once eclipsing the the point tier. players will also be dropped down a league if their point total drops below a tier.
- disconnects = losses. if you have a bad connection, too bad.
- limit of 3 to 5 games playing the same player in a day.

Practice league has a special rule set and maps so that's probably going to be separate or have it's own special qualifications.

In the example from Blizzcon, you didn't start in any league. The AMM placed you in a league after a set number of games based on your performance.

A game limit with other players isn't a big deal because the matching is automatic. It's extremely unlikely that you'll keep getting the same person.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
sudo.era
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-29 04:02:56
August 29 2009 03:46 GMT
#38
On August 29 2009 10:08 HomieZ wrote:
useless, this essentially takes iccup ranks and translate them into medals. It is better to keep iccup ranks than that medal bs. Sounds so noob.

Not really. The idea is that you can earn yourself into a league and at least hold onto it for a time. Making it up to D+ or C- for the first time on ICCup only to get immediately knocked back down by two games is just stupid. At times, getting knocked off of a new rank can actually make you totally lose confidence, and you'll drop even further. It's much more gratifying if you know you have a relative buffer that keeps you in one "league"- that you can keep the status you've earned for yourself.
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
August 29 2009 04:10 GMT
#39
lol I love when people treat iccup as the holy grail. For what it is, its good, its volunteer work and they put it together nicely, but the reality is that its amateur, its not a perfected system, it doesn't have people being paid to make it the best. Its the only option nowadays so its more of a take it or leave it. Perhaps some of you are forgetting that Blizzard has an AMM(automated matchmaking system) so that you are in the proper league.

Its as similar to ICCUP as it is to any ladder in existence by comparison. This you'll be more correctly matched against people that are your skill and thus put in a league that corresponds to that skill level. ICCUP doesn't come close to doing that, you simply get points based on winning or lose points based on losing. That's it, a person who happens to be C+ at some arbitrary record of say 30-5 vs 40-80 is probably not an equal matchup, which is why again ICCUP is far from the end all be all. It works, its something, but it could be better. It only seems to really shine in the A/B ranks where people would kinda be crazy to clearstats at that point.

I'm very confident blizzard knows what they're doing on this one.
Strength behind the Pride
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 29 2009 04:12 GMT
#40
On August 29 2009 12:28 Tsagacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2009 12:24 madnessman wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:38 zeppelin wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:30 Tsagacity wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:26 fabiano wrote:
On August 29 2009 11:15 killanator wrote:
Im really looking forward to this. Im pretty terrible at starcraft, and i have some friends who are as well, and get discouraged when they cant even beat a D-. Now they can just play practice league or play copper or bronze and win half their games. Should work out for the better.


i dont wanna sound mean, but if they cant beat D- i hope they cant win any game on bronze league, otherwise it would be a really weak league
Bronze is supposed to be a weak league... Having a weak league is a good thing.

I think you're grossly underestimating the millions and millions of newbs that are going to play this game at release.

Probably all but one of the SC players I know IRL would rarely win a d- game.


yeah, don't forget those numbers that even if you're a D+ you're better than something like 95% of people who have ever played starcraft, iccup C would probably be equivalent to the platinum league in this system as-is


we can't really guess at what iccup ranks will translate into since it all depends on how many players there are, if pro players play on bnet, etc...
I think he's just saying that today's D+ gamers are going to be fucking amazing compared to a lot of the crowd at SC2's release.

Yeah this is definitely true. Even D+ players have a huge understanding of what the game is about compared to your average player, or even your average RTS player. I mean, pretty much anyone at D rank at least understands that you need a ton of workers, a single fact which will massively set them apart from people like, say, WC3 or C&C players.
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