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juicyjames
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Not surprising, although Im not a huge fan of the current balance of some of the hots units. Not bad, however theres a lot more I was hoping they would change. Definitely better than WoL though, and hopefully they can make some small changes in the right direction before March 1st.
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this is no news, u could see that the current beta season ends march 1st since it started in january, so it was obvious that this would be end of beta as well, but its nice to hear that they collected lots of data to work with ;D
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I hope they address hellbat drops/medivac speed before releasing.
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What? need to find a game to play for 12 days, not going back to wol 
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I think that Blizzard has realized that people just need to learn how to play against drops and hellbats. A unit is just as overpowered as you let them be.
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Makes sense, but I really really think that the game is not ready to see the light of day because the MP is pretty imba right now and needs a lot of work. Wish they would hire 3 competent pros to test patches before they are out to get this stuff right.
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On February 09 2013 00:29 HeeroFX wrote:
Makes sense, but I really really think that the game is not ready to see the light of day because the MP is pretty imba right now and needs a lot of work. Wish they would hire 3 competent pros to test patches before they are out to get this stuff right.
Sorry for being slow but I can't figure out what this "MP" stands for. Can't think of a unit with those initials and I'm bugging out now. Help!
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On February 09 2013 01:04 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 00:29 HeeroFX wrote:
Makes sense, but I really really think that the game is not ready to see the light of day because the MP is pretty imba right now and needs a lot of work. Wish they would hire 3 competent pros to test patches before they are out to get this stuff right. Sorry for being slow but I can't figure out what this "MP" stands for. Can't think of a unit with those initials and I'm bugging out now. Help!
Multiplayer I guess. Basically he just says the balance isn't right yet.
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MP is multiplayer sorry I did not type it out. I got lazy on my ipad lol.
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I guess we can expect some major patches once the game is released? Like, TvP mech and more help for Zerg against skytoss? :p
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On February 09 2013 00:21 AndaGalant wrote:
this is no news, u could see that the current beta season ends march 1st since it started in january, so it was obvious that this would be end of beta as well, but its nice to hear that they collected lots of data to work with ;D
yup ...Ive been expecting it to close march 1st all along
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just stupid, they don t understand anything about their game
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I wonder if this means that pros will still be able to practice for some of the HOTS tournaments coming up right after launch.
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@CakeSauce I don't think there will be much balance changes before launch, even though certain things seem really overpowered right now.
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It's gonna suck having no HotS to play for like two weeks...
Not sure what I'll do, just catch up on some single player games I need to play, or mess around doing crazy strats in WoL for the last time.
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On February 09 2013 02:22 JonIrenicus wrote:
If they don't fix the lag, I will stay in Wol for a really long time..
What lag?
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On February 09 2013 02:22 JonIrenicus wrote:
If they don't fix the lag, I will stay in Wol for a really long time..
There is lag becuase there is only US server on beta, so you will get lag while playing Europe.
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On February 09 2013 02:22 JonIrenicus wrote:
If they don't fix the lag, I will stay in Wol for a really long time..
The lag is probably because the servers are in America, hopefully it will get better when we get servers in EU^^
edit: ninja toxifly got it before me 
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On February 09 2013 00:15 vicml21 wrote:
Not surprising, although Im not a huge fan of the current balance of some of the hots units. Not bad, however theres a lot more I was hoping they would change. Definitely better than WoL though, and hopefully they can make some small changes in the right direction before March 1st.
I agree with the first 2 sentences here. Imho they've failed with this beta, aside from the UI, at "incorporating major change and testing while we're in beta". Most of the changes they've done, and are continuing to do, have little significance to the overall game.
It doesn't take a high level player to tell you how imbalanced so many different aspects of the game are right now, of all races and all MUs. As I've been saying for a while, people are under the guise of "it's only beta" but the reality of how short a time from release we are is finally starting to settle in. These problems will persist through release and this is where I disagree with your last statement. I think right now the balance is just as bad, if not potentially worse than WoL started out with. There are way more unit interactions and dynamic layers to be toyed with still; and with units such as the oracle that can still go through a complete unit redesign I think we have a very long way to go.
That said, I hope this motivates the community to properly, and politely push blizzard to kick their development into high gear. If we continue to settle for the patches we've been getting for the past 2 years HotS, or even future releases, will never reach the e-sport we all want them to be, as sad as that sounds.
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seems ok to me. Remember how incomplete WoL was when it was released? I don't see this as a bad sign, it's a polishing phase and more balance changes will come after the game is saturated in pro play long enough.
Kyo no one is settling on Blizzards changes, we've been in an uproar for maybe close to two years now about how this or that needs to be changed. The fact of the matter is, it's blizzards game! We can cry all we want but in the end, if blizzard doesn't like the idea, it won't happen! It's a business, so there needs to be a product released soon. HotS is gearing up for it's money making phase, because the publisher is demanding to see profit. But that doesn't mean we can't still pester blizzard for more changes and that doesn't mean blizzard will make changes either. It's their game, as a community we have to have input of course, but in the end, it's on them.
I'm also a believer that Blizzard wants the game to be released and watch the game unfold at pro level and see where the game goes. Remember WoL in GSL 1 and 2 was exciting but we all know what WoL has become. There is no guarantee that HotS will have the same type of downward trend, we'll just have to wait and see.
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On February 09 2013 03:22 emc wrote:
Kyo no one is settling on Blizzards changes, we've been in an uproar for maybe close to two years now about how this or that needs to be changed. The fact of the matter is, it's blizzards game! We can cry all we want but in the end, if blizzard doesn't like the idea, it won't happen! It's a business, so there needs to be a product released soon. HotS is gearing up for it's money making phase, because the publisher is demanding to see profit. But that doesn't mean we can't still pester blizzard for more changes and that doesn't mean blizzard will make changes either. It's their game, as a community we have to have input of course, but in the end, it's on them.
+ Show Spoiler +While I agree there are others who are not happy with where the game is at they are the very few compared to the masses who are more focused on how the game "should be" rather than "how it should play". That is to say, the problem is not a one-dimensional issue with just game play.
Now, to be completely honest I 100% disagree with your second notion that we can cry all we want and have no ability to change the game. "Crying" I find to be a very emotional word and therefore I propose you use the phrase "logically argue" with Blizzard to change the game. There is a direct causal link between your second idea in the paragraph and the first. If you prevent them from making money they will change the game. In other words, don't buy the product if you don't like it. If that's what it takes for blizzard to ultimately realize how off-base they are, with not only their involvement in the game, but also balance, interface, and countless other issues then that's what people should do. You could argue that they have no responsibility, or obligation to fulfill these needs for us. If that's anyone's argument then I'd simply reply with: "If they won't support the game when they have the obvious means to due so I won't support their company." That's not crying at all. That just appears to be a simple logical argument, and a sad one ;(
In any case, with this date released now I wonder if this will lead them to any other big changes in the last month. It's pretty much the last stretch they have before the game is adopted everywhere so hopefully they come out with some announcements soon.
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This is going to make MLG awfully hard to practice for then, isn't it? Those games are going to be a mess unless these players get their strategies set a few weeks before the event. Even then, if Blizzard decides to make any changes between the end of beta and release that could potentially mess up everything.
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Wow that's kinda lame lol. Was hoping it would stay live till at least the 8'th. 12 days of no hots nooooooooooo .
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While there are still a few balance holes in the game I think they've done a great job of HoTS. Release day HoTS looks much better than Release day WoL balance wise. Don't forget guys that once the game goes live blizzard will have a much bigger audience of players including a lot more who actually have skill. Once they are in and abusing everything as much as they can blizzard will be able to see and plug the real holes. Theres no point going for perfect balance during the beta with such a small, low skill player base.
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can't wait for the release date. I don't want to play WoL between march 1 - 12 ;(
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On February 09 2013 00:29 HeeroFX wrote:
Makes sense, but I really really think that the game is not ready to see the light of day because the MP is pretty imba right now and needs a lot of work. Wish they would hire 3 competent pros to test patches before they are out to get this stuff right.
You know it's not fair for Blizz employees to compete in SC2 tournaments for obvious reasons.
David Kim and Matt Cooper (and perhaps more) were able to stay in GM in WoL for a very long time (only dropping out due to inactivity when it got closer to HotS, and not due to MMR getting significantly worse). So basically they are better at the game than 99.8% of the [North American] population (well maybe closer to 99.6% if about half of the player base is inactive/casual/campaign players), isn't that good enough? ^^
And don't forget they allow pros to send e-mails and prove why something is imba (they referenced a progamer once who showed a replay showing that a certain void ray all-in was literally unbeatable). And for the beta, they have a specific forum for the pros to give feedback there.
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On February 09 2013 08:49 bobsire wrote:
can't wait for the release date. I don't want to play WoL between march 1 - 12 ;(
Agreed . Playing WoL after hots is like I don't know any analogies but no fun!
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On February 09 2013 00:22 QuackPocketDuck wrote:What? need to find a game to play for 12 days, not going back to wol
Try Tower Wars 1v1 match-making 
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No major game play changes or redesigned features, one thing I honestly expected was a way to vote for new maps every season. As a casual one thing that has really put me off is playing on the same maps for nearly 6 months. It isn't fun to play, and it certainly isn't fun to watch for tournaments (which I think can be attributed to WOL declining viewership).
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On February 09 2013 09:23 TeslasPigeon wrote:
No major game play changes or redesigned features, one thing I honestly expected was a way to vote for new maps every season. As a casual one thing that has really put me off is playing on the same maps for nearly 6 months. It isn't fun to play, and it certainly isn't fun to watch for tournaments (which I think can be attributed to WOL declining viewership).
they have said they are going to update map pool a lot more regularly and all that fun jazz. Whether they keep their word is to be seen but I think when hots is released there will be new tournament maps (hopefully).
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So do I need to max out on all levels or do I just have to get level 5 for each race?
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On February 09 2013 09:29 blade55555 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2013 09:23 TeslasPigeon wrote:
No major game play changes or redesigned features, one thing I honestly expected was a way to vote for new maps every season. As a casual one thing that has really put me off is playing on the same maps for nearly 6 months. It isn't fun to play, and it certainly isn't fun to watch for tournaments (which I think can be attributed to WOL declining viewership). they have said they are going to update map pool a lot more regularly and all that fun jazz. Whether they keep their word is to be seen but I think when hots is released there will be new tournament maps (hopefully).
I don't trust this, if the past is any indication.
I was thinking of an automated system on BN where current laddering players vote on maps. It can be an easy system, say there are currently 12 maps in the pool at the end of every season you vote. You vote for which 6 maps you want to get rid of then vote for which maps you want to replace them with. Take the top 6 out of the total agregate map pool that currently exists. These maps can come from the melee section, or whatever they call it. This allows for all types of mapmakers to have a chance for their maps to be played on and it makes SC2 more open for innovation through community made maps instead of relying on Blizzard.
The map pool really demovitates from me wanting to play. It would be nice to have variety and regular changes.
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This is sad T__T. Bye SC2
Oh wait
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For those who don't know the choices you made in WoL campaign have a small influence on HoTS campaign. So if anyone does not have the WoL campaign complete on their current installation theres something for you to do during the downtime.
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Oh god. HoTS multiplayer is going to be such a joke.
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On February 09 2013 09:10 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 08:49 bobsire wrote:
can't wait for the release date. I don't want to play WoL between march 1 - 12 ;( Agreed . Playing WoL after hots is like I don't know any analogies but no fun!
SC2BW mod perhaps ?? :>
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On February 09 2013 15:40 Xanbatou wrote:
Oh god. HoTS multiplayer is going to be such a joke.
Don't worry there is still time to buff Terran some more...
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HotS plays similar to SC:BW, each race has a surgical strike early game (<8min) BO:
T) Vulture/spider mine run by / hellbat drops
P) Reaver/shuttle play / Oracle/phoneix harass
Z) lurker play / muta or fast 3rd or 6 pool
I'm happy. 
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Drop play and 7-8 minute harass is just more potent across the board so I dont see why people are qq'ing about a particular one. Hellbat-drops/oracles/dts/whatever are all equally potent atm so I'm not sure anyone can argue that either are imbalance (with overlord speed on hatchery now I wonder if we'll see more zerg drops). I suppose however, that the case could be made that none of these should be this effective. IMO however, in Wings the meta game was waaaaaay to passive before 3rd base so having more early game engagements is pretty nice.
I believe that most of the balance complaints I see are mainly the result of a new meta game in HoTS that people aren't aquainted to.
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I don't have the beta, and don't play too often anymore really, but as a spectator I'm really excited. HotS has been really enjoyable to watch on husky's and HD's channels. For all the complaints I've heard about balance I've also seen games where "OP" strategies and tactics have been shut down, and the better player won. I'm excited to watch MLG or GSL with HotS.
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12 days with nothing to do. Oh well at least the release is finally nearing. Guess I'll watch all the old episodes of Top Gear lol
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Well that's very bad news.
I couldn't care less about balance, and it's sad that this is what people are complaining about. But units like the Oracle, and mines, or abilities like fungal, need a re-design.
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so 2-3 more balance patches, no more big changes
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12 days should be enough to finish some of my unplayed Steam games. I probably have about 50 games in there that I've never opened-- maybe I'll give the Witcher series or Skyrim a try. Although I'd prefer to keep playing HOTS :/
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Epic news since it has said "season ends 3/1/2013" or something like that in the matchmaking page for months now.
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too bad they barely managed to get anything done during the beta. They were way too conservative with new units and game mechanics, the game hasn't changed enough to warrant the price of entry.. and considering how bad the singleplayer was in WOL, I have no faith in that part of HOTS either. Good thing TL is more or less transitioning into a Dota2 site instead, makes more sense on every level
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On February 09 2013 02:26 Araneae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 02:22 JonIrenicus wrote:
If they don't fix the lag, I will stay in Wol for a really long time.. The lag is probably because the servers are in America, hopefully it will get better when we get servers in EU^^ edit: ninja toxifly got it before me
Yes, just for further explanation, all Blizzard beta servers are exclusively hosted by them in California, regardless of game.
They don't use their standard Battle.net server providers, possibly due to the sensitive nature of the betas or due to wanting local access to change things faster and tweak things directly.
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On February 10 2013 18:26 summerloud wrote:
so 2-3 more balance patches, no more big changes
2 minor patches tops or one big one. Blizzard doesn't usually do anything in the last month of the beta - this has been seen in D3, WoW expansions, and in SC2 WoL.
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Is it me or does hots feel much more boring to watch then wol? I can't even watch polt play hots.. Dunno why.. Maybe the maps?
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On February 11 2013 04:40 Snowbear wrote:
Is it me or does hots feel much more boring to watch then wol? I can't even watch polt play hots.. Dunno why.. Maybe the maps?
I think HotS is way more fun to watch :D There is so much shit the players can do. But maybe thats because there is no real, i.e. solid meta game yet.
I'm just hoping that roaches will be the counter to helions as it is in WoL...
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Im sad that they wasted their chance to redesign mech around the tank. Mech play is ok or even good/great but its because Hellbats are insane and widow mines used in conjunction with other army units are strong enough to displace other units from being built
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"It is important to note that we will continue to operate a private beta test until Heart of the Swarm goes live on March 12. We will be working with our eSports partners to ensure that they are able to feature the new expansion in professional StarCraft II matches after March 1."
This is HUGE news. Blizzard is actually helping leagues by supplying them with a beta server. Does this mean they're going to be doing the same for LAN servers at events?!
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On February 09 2013 01:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
I guess we can expect some major patches once the game is released? Like, TvP mech and more help for Zerg against skytoss? :p
Im beating Grandmaster protosses with Mech and i dont play this game all that much, unless mech is broken at the high grandmaster level i dont know wtf people are talking about.
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On February 11 2013 08:25 hoby2000 wrote:"It is important to note that we will continue to operate a private beta test until Heart of the Swarm goes live on March 12. We will be working with our eSports partners to ensure that they are able to feature the new expansion in professional StarCraft II matches after March 1." This is HUGE news. Blizzard is actually helping leagues by supplying them with a beta server. Does this mean they're going to be doing the same for LAN servers at events?!
I think your reading too much into this statement. They are not saying they are developing a private server for tournaments. They are saying that they are still going to be working on the beta in a closed environment until release. Its just so we dont think that when the public beta ends so does work ok tournament features/usability.
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I'm quite surprised they're happy with the balance in hots currently, it seems extremely wonky and very...clumsy
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More than a week without HotS? I don't know how I'll manage.
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Leaving oracles with 25 damage every .86 seconds is intentional right?
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