EPTDavid Kim on potential beta changes (Feb 4th,2013) - Page 17
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:31 myRZeth wrote: Kim Hammar @HelloSaSe happy to see david managed to make pvp worse in hots than in wol, congrats A professional player whining about balance?!?! Cancel the release of HotS, SaSe says it is broken. | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:32 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so protoss will now never leave their base without detection. Hey, scratch that. Without observers. Since oracles get shredded by Widow Mines as well. So there we go, back to robo only openings >_> we are already back to robo only openings T_T | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:33 myRZeth wrote: we are already back to robo only openings T_T Since when? I open stargate all the time against both protoss and zerg. Terran requires more respect and ground pressence, but I still drop in a stargate because they are awesome. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:29 blade55555 wrote: lol... This is why I lost faith in their balancing team after their amazing patch 7. They really started to do some stupid changes and the bold is just lol... xD it's funny how he cites the massive usage of hydralisks as a reason they're good they're not being used so much because they're good, but because blizzard keeps telling everyone that they're insanely powerful in HOTS despite the only change being an upgrade (2 total, missile and speed) for off creep speed | ||
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pmp10
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On February 06 2013 04:13 KeksX wrote: They're also thinking of buffing the widow mine against P! http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6533624206?page=8#152 That could actually help mech TvP quite a bit. But the resulting games would likely be quite ugly with nothing but hellbat drops and mass mine harass. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:29 blade55555 wrote: lol... This is why I lost faith in their balancing team after their amazing patch 7. They really started to do some stupid changes and the bold is just lol... xD Regarding the Hydralisk, they have the data. Apparently what they see in the beta isn't what the community seems to think. Honestly, if the Hydralisk really proves to be too weak they'll buff them. It's just a numbers thing that can be done in the release game. and in pro-games I do see that people don't run away from the voidray if they charge. They just stupidly stand there most of the time still thinking they can own it whilst they can't. It's also something that can be easily tweaked. Not really worried at all. I really like the changes to the widow mine personally. That was my biggest gripe with the nerf since it became so pointless almost versus protoss. Now it's threatening again. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:34 Tsubbi wrote: the hydralisk are not weak part was golden but i lost it at the run away from voidray part Remember, this we are the same group of people who didn't build ghosts for over a year, only to find out that snipe killed everything-zerg from all teirs I really thing people are dumb enough not to run away from charged voidrays. | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
Regardless though it is awesome to see they are still working on TvP mech, this should (if i did the math right) be able to hold 1 base blink builds a lot easier now that a stalker will die to a widow mine. You see so much shit about why TvP mech can never work, immortals...skytoss...blah blah blah blah etc. But 1 base blink builds so fucking own mech its ridiculous, even if you don't kill the Terran you can just contain and expo like you didn't even go allin to begin with (with Terran having done a FE like reactor fact into CC or Tank expo or other various type of factory expand builds). | ||
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
I play random and feel that the game is getting pretty balanced. We as players just have to adapt. Ex. Oracle harass is too OP PvT...try dropping down an ebay and 1 turret at min line and attack/aggression. Oracle/stargate/msc is a lot of gas for 1 base. The buff to widow mine is not necessary...it pretty much makes it so that they 1 shot oracle...that's too easy def against such a specific tech choice. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:36 Seiniyta wrote: Regarding the Hydralisk, they have the data. Apparently what they see in the beta isn't what the community seems to think. Honestly, if the Hydralisk really proves to be too weak they'll buff them. It's just a numbers thing that can be done in the release game. and in pro-games I do see that people don't run away from the voidray if they charge. They just stupidly stand there most of the time still thinking they can own it whilst they can't. It's also something that can be easily tweaked. Not really worried at all. I really like the changes to the widow mine personally. That was my biggest gripe with the nerf since it became so pointless almost versus protoss. Now it's threatening again. I see hydras is almost every game against skytoss and no one runs away from voidrays, even though they are slow as trash. Its hard to tell what is broken, since everyone seems to thing everything new is terrible. | ||
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pmp10
3401 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:37 captainwaffles wrote: Huh... so they'll make a ultra specific change for the widow mine vs toss but not the tank, how many times was it suggested that tanks get some kind of EMP round or buff vs shields so as to not affect other match ups? Wouldn't that mean giving-up the + armored damage bonus? It seems that it would open a much bigger can of worms. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:37 captainwaffles wrote: Huh... so they'll make a ultra specific change for the widow mine vs toss but not the tank, how many times was it suggested that tanks get some kind of EMP round or buff vs shields so as to not affect other match ups? Regardless though it is awesome to see they are still working on TvP mech, this should (if i did the math right) be able to hold 1 base blink builds a lot easier now that a stalker will die to a widow mine. You see so much shit about why TvP mech can never work, immortals...skytoss...blah blah blah blah etc. But 1 base blink builds so fucking own mech its ridiculous, even if you don't kill the Terran you can just contain and expo like you didn't even go allin to begin with (with Terran having done a FE like reactor fact into CC or Tank expo or other various type of factory expand builds). Blizzard loves their SC2 units a lot more than those old crappy brood war units. They'll continue to buff their new units and refuse to touch the old ones. This is why we'll never see any old BW unit return to SC2 in hots or lotv | ||
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:43 pmp10 wrote: Wouldn't that mean giving-up the + armored damage bonus? It seems that it would open a much bigger can of worms. What do you mean? | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
If they are willing to give widow mines +shield damage, they should just give it to siege tanks. What the hell | ||
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Tuczniak
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Dandy_Moustachu
France422 Posts
On February 06 2013 04:43 pmp10 wrote: Wouldn't that mean giving-up the + armored damage bonus? It seems that it would open a much bigger can of worms. Just let them have 50 flat dmg +35 vs shield :D Give tank some love | ||
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