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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10292 Posts
On December 21 2012 04:20 Serenity12 wrote: Can someone confirm whether or not fungal is negated by PDD since it is a projectile? PDD should negate it, but it should sap more energy from the pdd. It doesn't block spells, else EMP would be blocked too. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On December 21 2012 04:20 Serenity12 wrote: Can someone confirm whether or not fungal is negated by PDD since it is a projectile? PDD should negate it, but it should sap more energy from the pdd. pdd doensnt effect spells, it never has never will Edit: just got beat | ||
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Galaxy345
Luxembourg28 Posts
"Infestor change very bad" because you can outrange Colossus and use it to easily snipe Sentries and HT  | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:36 Galaxy345 wrote: According to White-ra in Q&A Teamspeak "Infestor change very bad" because you can outrange Colossus and use it to easily snipe Sentries and HT Oh it is very bad he's right, imo it's stronger then WoL fungal now. It's really powerful like it wasn't before the nerf right?  | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:36 Galaxy345 wrote: According to White-ra in Q&A Teamspeak "Infestor change very bad" because you can outrange Colossus and use it to easily snipe Sentries and HT I don't think there's a soul on this planet who thinks the infestor change is any good. Except maybe David Kim. | ||
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Interstellar
Mexico67 Posts
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany150 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:45 Interstellar wrote: I'm surprised how many people act like these changes affect them. Notice how Blizzard always references "players at the top level" when they introduce these patches. Balance issues don't apply to anyone below Diamond league. You don't play well enough to benefit/lose from such balance patches. I'm a Plat Protoss players and sometimes I lose to broodlord/infestor, sometimes I totally own Zerg. It all depends on how well my opponent plays. Not race balance issues. You play platin and try to judge about people playing in the diamond league? Im master as most of the posters and i can speak for all: These patches affect our matchups pretty hard and its no only the 200 progamer who feel the changes. Damn guys like you make me so angry i will stop writing before i lose myself.... | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:55 SpecKROELLchen wrote: You play platin and try to judge about people playing in the diamond league? Im master as most of the posters and i can speak for all: These patches affect our matchups pretty hard and its no only the 200 progamer who feel the changes. Damn guys like you make me so angry i will stop writing before i lose myself.... It affects everyone regardless of league anyway through the pro scene. We are all tired of turtle Infestor spam. | ||
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:37 Bagi wrote: I don't think there's a soul on this planet who thinks the infestor change is any good. Except maybe David Kim. There are some very VERY ULTRA biased players on the official forums defending it with fire. And they're still saying that the infestor is very weak after the projectile change. And those are players who are in masters, I think their flames are retarded. They're not arguing they're just flaming everyone who is criticizing zerg. Can you stop posting? I'm reporting you, and everyone else seeing IIIIIIIIIIIII posting should just report him and we'll soon be free of his !@#$ on the forum. wow IIIIIIIIIIII. thought as a master player you would have a better understanding. he said infestor is now stronger than before which is just outright a lie. and he tells that in every thread and even makes new threads about that lie. so yeah i reported him and hope his next acc gets permabanned because he is too stupid to recognize he is wrong so obviously. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On December 20 2012 11:15 Whitewing wrote: Storm does hurt your own units. It's hilarious how often a protoss goes to storm a bio army that is kiting away, and winds up getting his own zealots for 40 damage each as they charge at the bio. It's just not as obvious because protoss units have more health so they don't instantly go into the orange after 1 tick of a storm. Then they should quit 1a'ing so their own things don't get stormed . | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On December 21 2012 05:55 SpecKROELLchen wrote: You play platin and try to judge about people playing in the diamond league? Im master as most of the posters and i can speak for all: These patches affect our matchups pretty hard and its no only the 200 progamer who feel the changes. Damn guys like you make me so angry i will stop writing before i lose myself.... You can get angry but he's right. Players below the very highest levels do not and should not impact balance decisions. Of course everyone's affected but if Blizzard made balance changes based on the struggles of random master and even random GM level players, the game would be an utter mess. Nevertheless, the infestor change just seems bizarre. Maybe infestors still won't be worth the investment but it just seems kind of silly given how widely hated the infestor is. I can't think of another unit that has generated as much widespread loathing as the infestor. At their peak, ghosts were also pretty nauseous but I think infestors are even less popular. Even crowds groan when blord infestor appears, the opposing army gets fungaled and then disappears. | ||
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mhael
United States102 Posts
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On December 21 2012 06:43 The_Darkness wrote: You can get angry but he's right. Players below the very highest levels do not and should not impact balance decisions. Of course everyone's affected but if Blizzard made balance changes based on the struggles of random master and even random GM level players, the game would be an utter mess. Nevertheless, the infestor change just seems bizarre. Maybe infestors still won't be worth the investment but it just seems kind of silly given how widely hated the infestor is. I can't think of another unit that has generated as much widespread loathing as the infestor. At their peak, ghosts were also pretty nauseous but I think infestors are even less popular. Even crowds groan when blord infestor appears, the opposing army gets fungaled and then disappears. He isnt right. No blizzard shouldnt balance it for 'random' masters players, but they should balance it for the average masters player, and diamond, and plat, and even bronze, as far as reasonably possible. No that won't always be possible, but only balancing it for pros is stupid and also results in a mess. There have been significant balance changes in SC2 because of a single player. And no I am not talking about a strategy invented by a single player, but purely because one player shows something nice, balance changes happen. You are not telling me basing balance changes around a single player is a good idea. Lets say we got a new player, we call him Lee. Lee has sick marine micro. So sick it makes everything other pros do look like children playing. Now should blizzard do balance changes because of Lee? And when Lee retires we get in the patch notes that Terran would be boosted back to normal levels because Lee is gone? Of course balance at the pro level is important for e-sports, but there wont be an SC2 e-sports scene if no one below pro level wants to play anymore. And while it wont be always easy, it really isnt impossible to balance it for different play levels, in a well designed game that is the case: It basicly means all races need to have a healthy choice between a-move armies and micro intensive armies, where micro should pay off, but not that one race needs way more micro than another race to be competitive. That you arent affected by balance changes if you arent a pro is just simply not true. My fungaled vikings have also something to say about that. If an average bronze player playing race A would immediatly get to silver when switching to race B, then that is a balance issue. | ||
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Excludos
Norway7944 Posts
On December 21 2012 04:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: It doesn't block spells, else EMP would be blocked too. Its true. That said, that should absolutely be in the game. Would make ravens instantly viable, while also requiring decent skill to pull of properly, and should be entertaining for the viewers. At least that could be something to test. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On December 21 2012 06:04 PanzerElite wrote: There are some very VERY ULTRA biased players on the official forums defending it with fire. And they're still saying that the infestor is very weak after the projectile change. And those are players who are in masters, I think their flames are retarded. They're not arguing they're just flaming everyone who is criticizing zerg. If Blizzard actually listens to their forums for balancing issues, then all hope is lost. Its full of low league scrubs and masters players who get banned from everywhere else for being too biased. | ||
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Excludos
Norway7944 Posts
On December 21 2012 07:08 Bagi wrote: If Blizzard actually listens to their forums for balancing issues, then all hope is lost. Its full of low league scrubs and masters players who get banned from everywhere else for being too biased. I do believe DB has stated that they look through TL from time to time But to what length, I don't know. | ||
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bole
Serbia164 Posts
Dustin Browder you will probably remove CARIERS and bring Tempist (so retarded unite to be capital ship for toss) (i am toss player) Thx for destroying PROTOSS RACE by creating unites LIKE COLOSS and Sentyris...also if somebody noticed Oricle and mothership core are also gimmicky mechanichs and made toss gimmicky dark templar race that dont act like protoss at all ... strength for cost ....SC2 toss its not real toss.. Also this new patch prove that blizzard i dont know i play WC3 Spellcaster unite should made normal unites stronger in battles and not do that much dps and almost act like army... Spellcaster should be support unit that back up normal unites... and dont do everything in game.. dps kiling supporting ...lol.. Thx blizzard for gimmicky Protoss and reatarded game as SC2 and Hots will not be much diferent from this patch i see that... simply blizzard dont want do admit that they are wrong when creating unites like INFESTORS AND colloss and Force fealds... and toss in general ...I WILL NOT BY THIS GAME.. end i would reader play WC3 tft.... User was warned for this post | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 21 2012 07:13 Excludos wrote: I do believe DB has stated that they look through TL from time to time But to what length, I don't know. If you follow their twitter, it is pretty clear they watch and read TL. I am sure they take everything with a grain of salt when they release any changes, but they do listen. I really think the projectile fungle will be toned down. The game hasn't had a projectile spell there the player needs to lead the shot, so they are likely trying everything. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 21 2012 07:01 Sissors wrote: He isnt right. No blizzard shouldnt balance it for 'random' masters players, but they should balance it for the average masters player, and diamond, and plat, and even bronze, as far as reasonably possible. No that won't always be possible, but only balancing it for pros is stupid and also results in a mess. There have been significant balance changes in SC2 because of a single player. And no I am not talking about a strategy invented by a single player, but purely because one player shows something nice, balance changes happen. You are not telling me basing balance changes around a single player is a good idea. Lets say we got a new player, we call him Lee. Lee has sick marine micro. So sick it makes everything other pros do look like children playing. Now should blizzard do balance changes because of Lee? And when Lee retires we get in the patch notes that Terran would be boosted back to normal levels because Lee is gone? Of course balance at the pro level is important for e-sports, but there wont be an SC2 e-sports scene if no one below pro level wants to play anymore. And while it wont be always easy, it really isnt impossible to balance it for different play levels, in a well designed game that is the case: It basicly means all races need to have a healthy choice between a-move armies and micro intensive armies, where micro should pay off, but not that one race needs way more micro than another race to be competitive. That you arent affected by balance changes if you arent a pro is just simply not true. My fungaled vikings have also something to say about that. If an average bronze player playing race A would immediatly get to silver when switching to race B, then that is a balance issue. That literally happened with Terran and MVP (except it was marine micro and macro). He goes soft for wrist problems, and now all you see is Terrans struggling to keep their heads above water. | ||
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PaperPrinter
33 Posts
Come on Blizz, stop joking around and revert the change. | ||
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