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On December 20 2012 18:36 Zombo Joe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:32 phodacbiet wrote:On December 20 2012 17:49 Scrubwave wrote:On December 20 2012 17:22 Xanbatou wrote:
You guys need to to calm down. It's a beta and they are clearly testing numbers. Did you actually think the infestor nerf was final? Moreover, do you actually think any of the units right now are final? They are just tweaking numbers. Its obvious that fungal is a little too strong right now. I think if they just decrease the speed to like 12 or something, it should be fine. Whoa, easy there, we don't want to overnerf infestors. Yeah seriously, infestors are really underused atm if you nerf it even more no one will use it. I think David Kim should make Fungal kill everything in one hit and have same range as tempest since tempest are out ranging them! Then fungal will be balanced! But seriously... i think blizzard "internal testing team" plays WoW instead of testing sc2. Dustin Browder himself did say his favorite thing to do is make WoW quests. WoW quests aren't exactly known for being engaging through story and gameplay.
i didnt think my respect for DB could drop anymore before i read this... this guy is just too good to be true... hes like a movie villain at this point...
WoW quest: go and destroy 10 rocks for me
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It seems like there was almost no thought put into these changes. Terran's only new units made pointless in all matchups. Infestors become as good or better than in WOL.
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On December 20 2012 19:07 summerloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 18:36 Zombo Joe wrote:On December 20 2012 18:32 phodacbiet wrote:On December 20 2012 17:49 Scrubwave wrote:On December 20 2012 17:22 Xanbatou wrote:
You guys need to to calm down. It's a beta and they are clearly testing numbers. Did you actually think the infestor nerf was final? Moreover, do you actually think any of the units right now are final? They are just tweaking numbers. Its obvious that fungal is a little too strong right now. I think if they just decrease the speed to like 12 or something, it should be fine. Whoa, easy there, we don't want to overnerf infestors. Yeah seriously, infestors are really underused atm if you nerf it even more no one will use it. I think David Kim should make Fungal kill everything in one hit and have same range as tempest since tempest are out ranging them! Then fungal will be balanced! But seriously... i think blizzard "internal testing team" plays WoW instead of testing sc2. Dustin Browder himself did say his favorite thing to do is make WoW quests. WoW quests aren't exactly known for being engaging through story and gameplay. i didnt think my respect for DB could drop anymore before i read this... this guy is just too good to be true... hes like a movie villain at this point... WoW quest: go and destroy 10 rocks for me
Starcraft, Legacy of the Void: Go and destroy ten rocks for me. Then build an expansion
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On December 20 2012 19:08 link0 wrote:
It seems like there was almost no thought put into these changes. Terran's only new units made pointless in all matchups. Infestors become as good or better than in WOL.
They are better. 15 speed is very fast to dodge so should be considered insta cast. 10 range is 1 range upgrade on top of the blatant imbalance we have in WOL. So, infestors are better. And so are zerg. My hope for blizzard's balance team coming to their senses is fading again once more. GSL blizzard cup - ZvP since RO8. So is the normal GSL. And so will be ladder. And so will be everything when HOTS comes out - ZvP.
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On December 19 2012 06:26 TranceKuja wrote:
You're using fungals in PvT?
Oh, sounds like something to try out. I bet terrans will be mad.
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Mass Ghost = Mass HT > Mass Infestor
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On December 20 2012 19:32 DoNuTs84 wrote:
Mass Ghost = Mass HT > Mass Infestor
Do you really believe so? Is it the reason why we never see mass ghost or mass ht vs zerg but see mass infestor IN EVERY matchup? Is it some reverse psychology of pros who swore to never use mass ghost or mass high templar cause they are super strong?
Posts like yours made me sad. No arguments, a blatantly wrong statement, short and simple. I am wondering if starcraft will survive long if people like you are allowed to have an opinion on balance.
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What would be really cool is if they kept the range but decreased the speed back to what it was or even further. Would make fungal growth more of a opportunity spell based on skill rather than being straight up guaranteed damage.
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I don't think the Widow Mine changes is good enough on its own, maybe they should buff the splash damage to compensate for the single target damage loss. And even with the damage reduction I don't think that Banshee play will still be viable in TvT with well placed Widow Mines.
Caduceus Reactor change sounds plausible, since they were made so that lategame Bio become stronger anyway.
I don't think it's neccesary to buff Fungal range that much, just revert the range back to 9, no need to add an extra 1 range compared to the Fungal range nerf.
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On December 20 2012 19:47 ReMaiN13 wrote:
What would be really cool is if they kept the range but decreased the speed back to what it was or even further. Would make fungal growth more of a opportunity spell based on skill rather than being straight up guaranteed damage.
No, the range was jus decreased to 8 in wol, I don't see any reason to make it 10 in hots. At best, increase the speed by 1 or 2, but 10 range (+2 radius) is beyond ridiculous.
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Honestly the speed upgrade on medivacs sounds plain retarded. Just make it a direct movement speed upgrade instead of an ability gimmick.
Medivacs used to be a lot faster before they got nerfed early on WoL.
Mostly because the maps consisted of steppes of war.
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On December 20 2012 20:07 Zombo Joe wrote:
Honestly the speed upgrade on medivacs sounds plain retarded. Just make it a direct movement speed upgrade instead of an ability gimmick.
Medivacs used to be a lot faster before they got nerfed early on WoL.
Mostly because the maps consisted of steppes of war.
Make it faster than bio and it will be a pain in the a** to move your army with them on the same speed. It would be a nerf and not a buff trust me.
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Remember : this is not a WoL patch, it is a HotS patch.
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On December 20 2012 20:10 RenZan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 20:07 Zombo Joe wrote:
Honestly the speed upgrade on medivacs sounds plain retarded. Just make it a direct movement speed upgrade instead of an ability gimmick.
Medivacs used to be a lot faster before they got nerfed early on WoL.
Mostly because the maps consisted of steppes of war. Make it faster than bio and it will be a pain in the a** to move your army with them on the same speed. It would be a nerf and not a buff trust me.
Make it faster than bio and any excitement if a pursuing army can catch medivacs will be gone completely. Thats why the speed boost is bad as well ...
Every tactic needs to involve RISKS and a speed boost is all about reducing risks and thus fun for the viewer. Players wont really line their bases with turrets now either since they havent done that yet (maybe the KeSPA players will, but not the SC2 pros) ...
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I have yet to see this changes on the EU server, when exactly are they going live?
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On December 20 2012 19:32 DoNuTs84 wrote:
Mass Ghost = Mass HT > Mass Infestor
Apart from EMPing enemy units the Ghost is actually rubbish and does nothing whereas the Infestor has a supply of stimmed Marines "on board" which potentially provide more than his own supplys worth in damage for a short time without requiring the actual unit to stick around and be endangered.
If Marines would "charge up" all the time they are running around and then have an increased damage output of up to 4 times their normal damage (1 Infestor = 2 Supply; 200 energy = 8 Infested Terrans ... = 4 ITs per supply) for some time it might be fine, but they dont do that. The Infestor is the caster with the biggest ability to focus all its power in one moment in time and it can be easily massed too. Terrible design concept and your logic is faulty.
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Patch zergs patch zergs, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
Seems like in WoL, foreign race will be zerK.
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On December 20 2012 19:23 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 19:07 summerloud wrote:On December 20 2012 18:36 Zombo Joe wrote:On December 20 2012 18:32 phodacbiet wrote:On December 20 2012 17:49 Scrubwave wrote:On December 20 2012 17:22 Xanbatou wrote:
You guys need to to calm down. It's a beta and they are clearly testing numbers. Did you actually think the infestor nerf was final? Moreover, do you actually think any of the units right now are final? They are just tweaking numbers. Its obvious that fungal is a little too strong right now. I think if they just decrease the speed to like 12 or something, it should be fine. Whoa, easy there, we don't want to overnerf infestors. Yeah seriously, infestors are really underused atm if you nerf it even more no one will use it. I think David Kim should make Fungal kill everything in one hit and have same range as tempest since tempest are out ranging them! Then fungal will be balanced! But seriously... i think blizzard "internal testing team" plays WoW instead of testing sc2. Dustin Browder himself did say his favorite thing to do is make WoW quests. WoW quests aren't exactly known for being engaging through story and gameplay. i didnt think my respect for DB could drop anymore before i read this... this guy is just too good to be true... hes like a movie villain at this point... WoW quest: go and destroy 10 rocks for me Starcraft, Legacy of the Void: Go and destroy ten rocks for me. Then build an expansion
This post shows how ignorant you really are!
Dustin Browder would never make you destroy rocks
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so... build rocks to support foundations for expansion? (:
Mass Ghost = Mass HT > Mass Infestor
is this even serious? Oo
how so?
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