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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:04 ClanRH.TV wrote: God you aren't that smart. If the infestor has 10 sight, then he wouldnt be able to see an enemy in this extended radius. Intelligent people. Perhaps you havent heard but creep grants vision, and so does burrowed units. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Atthasit
Russian Federation81 Posts
On December 19 2012 18:57 Boiler Bandsman wrote: In what way does discussing and evaluating balance, design, and recent changes in a patch thread equate to "not handling the process"? Anything involving Infestor-centered Zerg is bad design, and it's what's ruining WoL right now. I can't exactly go back to a game that I currently hate, either. I had hopes for HotS, but if it ends up looking like WoL, I'll be pursuing my other games and leaving SC2 for good. I don't think I'm the only one. There's a huge gap between evaluating and discussing changes and crying how blizzard have their heads up their asses and threatening to not buy their products because you don't agree with every step of development don't you think? | ||
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Atthasit
Russian Federation81 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:02 boxerfred wrote: "because muta is the only thing that counters muta." The fuck are you talking about? Ofc fungal + queen (+ hydra) counters muta. And what kind of choice in ZvZ? There never was any. You basically have 3 units on T2, which is Infestor, Muta and Hydra. And you're talking about choices? I'm sorry what level of play are we talking about here? Currently, with increased speed mutas and slow fungal projectile there was absolutely zero threat to a flock of mutas (8-10), they could harass you FOREVER and you wouldn't be able to do jack shit without heavily investing in static defense and queens. And that works awesome while enemy is expanding and investing into a ground roach hydra army, right? It wasn't the case in WoL, muta player was constantly under a threat of losing his whole muta group because all the defending player needed to do is build a few infestors and land one fungal. Or he could go defensive mutas himself. Hence the choice. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
that leaves us with maybe 7-8 patches left im losing hope again  | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:03 Atthasit wrote: There's a huge gap between evaluating and discussing changes and crying how blizzard have their heads up their asses and threatening to not buy their products because you don't agree with every step of development don't you think? I will not buy the game if it goes down the same track as WoL. This change is moving it back towards WoL. So yes, I will express that I will not buy it. I never said Blizzard had their heads anywhere, I said that this patch is a mistake that will possibly affect my purchasing decision. If you can't handle people saying that much, perhaps it is you that is in the wrong thread. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Atthasit
Russian Federation81 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:16 Boiler Bandsman wrote: I will not buy the game if it goes down the same track as WoL. This change is moving it back towards WoL. So yes, I will express that I will not buy it. I never said Blizzard had their heads anywhere, I said that this patch is a mistake that will possibly affect my purchasing decision. If you can't handle people saying that much, perhaps it is you that is in the wrong thread. Just wondering, are you going to change your decision every time they release their next patch notes? Why are middle-stage pre-release changes affecting your decision about buying the FINAL product, where the hell is logic in that? And no, in my first post in this thread I've said that they have overdone it. It's just unlike some people here I have an open mind and refuse to judge them based on how they do the balance, as long as I'm good with final results. Believe me I'll be the first one to rage at them if something like this will be in final release. | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:31 Atthasit wrote: Just wondering, are you going to change your decision every time they release their next patch notes? Why are middle-stage pre-release changes affecting your decision about buying the FINAL product, where the hell is logic in that? And no, in my first post in this thread I've said that they have overdone it. It's just unlike some people here I have an open mind and refuse to judge them based on how they do the balance, as long as I'm good with final results. Believe me I'll be the first one to rage at them if something like this will be in final release. Of course that decision is subject to change if they "o-shit" and fix it back. However, seeing them regress to old problems and paths that are already well-worn dead ends is frustrating, and if they continue this way, they will not change my mind. This is also the second consecutive regressive patch after what was widely considered to be an excellent first step. | ||
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Gimmeurladderpoints
Germany372 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
"OMG what the hell!? Blizzard don't have a clue, I thought HOTS would be fun, but this patch it the reason why I won't buy HOTS!" Next patch: "Wow, Blizzard really listens, great changes, the best patch ever! HOTS will be so much fun!" Then the patch after that: "OMG worst patch ever..." And the circle continues. No, it won't end like this, we are looking to a lot more changes. | ||
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Fullback
Argentina170 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:30 Scrubwave wrote: But that would mean that Blizzard is creatively bankrupt! Yes! and thats obviously much, much more important than having a good game! | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: This. Exactly my thought.I like how all are overreacting to this as usual. "OMG what the hell!? Blizzard don't have a clue, I thought HOTS would be fun, but this patch it the reason why I won't buy HOTS!" Next patch: "Wow, Blizzard really listens, great changes, the best patch ever! HOTS will be so much fun!" Then the patch after that: "OMG worst patch ever..." And the circle continues. | ||
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:35 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote: Fuck it. I am downloading Iccup right now. Back to the game that has no fungal Growth, since blizz still seems to think that anybody wants to see those fungal/infested terran wars. And that is why We always will have online only in forthcoming Blizzard games. Infested terrans are still quite nerfed through. Not benefitting from Upgrades means good luck trying to use them lategame. They are trying to make the infestor less prominent of a unit. Doesn't mean it should be useless against the things it is actually suposed to counter(like mutas ZvZ). | ||
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xtyxtbx
United States53 Posts
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Rizell
Sweden237 Posts
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Gimmeurladderpoints
Germany372 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:35 Ramiz1989 wrote: I like how all are overreacting to this as usual. "OMG what the hell!? Blizzard don't have a clue, I thought HOTS would be fun, but this patch it the reason why I won't buy HOTS!" Next patch: "Wow, Blizzard really listens, great changes, the best patch ever! HOTS will be so much fun!" Then the patch after that: "OMG worst patch ever..." And the circle continues. No, it won't end like this, we are looking to a lot more changes. Wow, all these rageposts and imbalance whine is making me sick. You haven't even tried these changes and you are acting like your mom took your internet away. Chill the fuck out and let Blizzard try afew diffrent things during the BETA... wich is the entire fucking point of a beta. Idiots. I hate how there is a big bunch of people like you who whine about the whiners all the time. Altough i actually don't see a lot of whining here. Just people expressing that they don't want fungal growth to be a core game mechanic. That's not balance whine. On December 19 2012 19:48 Sumadin wrote: And that is why We always will have online only in forthcoming Blizzard games. Infested terrans are still quite nerfed through. Not benefitting from Upgrades means good luck trying to use them lategame. They are trying to make the infestor less prominent of a unit. Doesn't mean it should be useless against the things it is actually suposed to counter(like mutas ZvZ). So you say Iccup is bad for blizzard and they were right in their policy. Because if you do, you have obviously no clue whatsoever. | ||
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