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On March 03 2012 00:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Yea that scene where the doctor lady turned into a monster wasnt dark at all /sarcasm.
Actually, that scene is the one moment in which I truly felt I was playing the sequel of Brood War - in my opinion, the best moment in the entire WoL. The other two good bits were the liberation of New Folsom and the following video, and In Utter Darkness (except for the final cheesy lines of the Dark Voice). You may find a couple of others, but that's it.
If these three bits had been more representative of the overall atmosphere of the game, I wouldn't criticize the WoL storyline nearly as much as I do. Unfortunately, you have a lot more cheesy dialog and inconsistent events than somewhat dark or realistic scenes.
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On March 03 2012 01:43 Telenil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 00:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Yea that scene where the doctor lady turned into a monster wasnt dark at all /sarcasm. Actually, that scene is the one moment in which I truly felt I was playing the sequel of Brood War - in my opinion, the best moment in the entire WoL. The other two good bits were the liberation of New Folsom and the following video, and In Utter Darkness (except for the final cheesy lines of the Dark Voice). You may find a couple of others, but that's it. If these three bits had been more representative of the overall atmosphere of the game, I wouldn't criticize the WoL storyline nearly as much as I do. Unfortunately, you have a lot more cheesy dialog and inconsistent events than somewhat dark or realistic scenes.
HoTS is set up to be alot more dark though
i dont really remember the first terran campaign to be really all that dark though
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Yeah I'm looking forward to the "dark" aspect of HOTS. The games give you a taste of every faction.
WOL: Hit and run "mercanary" group of survivors with the cause of liberty. (Freedom Fighting)
HOTS: Zerg swarm with Kerrigan bent on revenge and killing mengsk. (Revenge)
LOTV: Epic conclusion with (hopefully) focus on epic events and the legend of the protoss and xel'naga. (Legend)
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Bump because I love Fenix
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On February 27 2012 15:46 craz3d wrote:
Yea, there should have been some mention of Fenix in passing conversation.
Comparing the two games, BW is grittier and darker than SC2. If they wanted to keep with that grittiness, they should have released the Zerg campaign first, featuring Kerrigan as the main character, and then have her killed in the Terran campaign by Raynor despite that love that he still harbored for her. Maybe that will still happen, but I would have rather not seen Jim Raynor reduced to an emotional pussbag, which was not how he was portrayed in BW.
I guess they started with the Terran campaign because Terran as a race seems more attractive to the thousands of people who's first taste of the SC universe was SC2. So once again, the priority to make bank is higher than writing a good story. Ho-ho! Big surprise there.
Original SC campaign order was TZP. I took the TZP SC2 order to be paying homage to SC1.
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And because Terran feels closer to home to a newer player. :p
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On June 10 2012 12:19 revy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:46 craz3d wrote:
Yea, there should have been some mention of Fenix in passing conversation.
Comparing the two games, BW is grittier and darker than SC2. If they wanted to keep with that grittiness, they should have released the Zerg campaign first, featuring Kerrigan as the main character, and then have her killed in the Terran campaign by Raynor despite that love that he still harbored for her. Maybe that will still happen, but I would have rather not seen Jim Raynor reduced to an emotional pussbag, which was not how he was portrayed in BW.
I guess they started with the Terran campaign because Terran as a race seems more attractive to the thousands of people who's first taste of the SC universe was SC2. So once again, the priority to make bank is higher than writing a good story. Ho-ho! Big surprise there. Original SC campaign order was TZP. I took the TZP SC2 order to be paying homage to SC1.
I did as well.
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I hope to see him again in HotS!
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On June 11 2012 02:11 Moonsalt wrote:
I hope to see him again in HotS!
Doubt it. If there's any installation of SCII Fenix will be in, then I think it'll be LOTV. I really hope so, because Fenix was my fav character. Killing him felt like killing a tiny part of myself =(
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On June 11 2012 02:46 Zvenn3n wrote:Doubt it. If there's any installation of SCII Fenix will be in, then I think it'll be LOTV. I really hope so, because Fenix was my fav character. Killing him felt like killing a tiny part of myself =(
Which is why they won't bring him back. His death was too sacred. It solidified our hatreds.
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On March 03 2012 01:43 Telenil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 00:23 DoubleReed wrote:
Yea that scene where the doctor lady turned into a monster wasnt dark at all /sarcasm. Actually, that scene is the one moment in which I truly felt I was playing the sequel of Brood War - in my opinion, the best moment in the entire WoL. The other two good bits were the liberation of New Folsom and the following video, and In Utter Darkness (except for the final cheesy lines of the Dark Voice). You may find a couple of others, but that's it. If these three bits had been more representative of the overall atmosphere of the game, I wouldn't criticize the WoL storyline nearly as much as I do. Unfortunately, you have a lot more cheesy dialog and inconsistent events than somewhat dark or realistic scenes.
Amen to that Telenil.
What scares me about HotS is that the protagonist is a human living with the memory and maybe the present of being an almost-lovecraftian mass murder machine. This is so obviously dark that they may not worry about bringing up what made Starcraft's story really dark: the themes of treason, defeat, hopelessness. I think that bringing up such feelings to HotS would be awesome. It could be greater than BW. It would be like just when you think Kerrigan's tale couldn't be any darker, she does or suffer something even worse than you expected.
But what I'm afraid of is that HotS may be just an action movie revenge story, where the heroine's motives are fair but her means aren't; that old cliché, but now with "Aliens".
On March 03 2012 12:01 Xenomorph wrote:
Yeah I'm looking forward to the "dark" aspect of HOTS. The games give you a taste of every faction.
WOL: Hit and run "mercanary" group of survivors with the cause of liberty. (Freedom Fighting)
HOTS: Zerg swarm with Kerrigan bent on revenge and killing mengsk. (Revenge)
LOTV: Epic conclusion with (hopefully) focus on epic events and the legend of the protoss and xel'naga. (Legend)
Well myself, I hope they really be careful with the whole "epic" thing. I think the focus on "epic" and "greatness" is what ruined WoL. Blizzard don't understand that epicness isn't about DPS and awesome dudes and moves. The Illiad is epic. It is about a bunch of dirty, old rapists and raiders who are killing each other and dying in gruesome, sad deaths, for the stupidiest reason ever. It is epic because it is gritty, because of the fragility of its characters, even when gods are around.
"Epic" explosions and music that causes you the "epic" feeling, without a story with anything epic in it, makes it embarassing and gloating, not epic.
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I still think Kerrigan should fucking die for killing fenix. It's possibly the thing that bothers me the most about SC2 - Raynor being spineless and breaking the sacred code: bros before hoes. The man is thinking with his dick.
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On June 12 2012 05:50 B.I.G. wrote:
I still think Kerrigan should fucking die for killing fenix. It's possibly the thing that bothers me the most about SC2 - Raynor being spineless and breaking the sacred code: bros before hoes. The man is thinking with his dick.
WoL spoilers, hidden for any of our BW buddies who haven't played yet 
+ Show Spoiler +The story isn't over. With all that happens in HotS, being that Kerrigan tries to regain her brood, I think Jim will realize she needs to be put down. But Zeratul himself said that she needed to live. So I can see why he would save her. He loves her, but at the same time, he saw what happens during In Utter Darkness. He believed that saving her was the only option. And perhaps it was. We will have to wait and see.
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No wonder Protoss has been the least dominant race all these years...we lost Fenix ! We need him back! Dam you David Kim!
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I'm feeling the Fenix love, so I'm gonna google him and see what he is about (I'm sc2er). If what you guys say is true, then I can't wait to see such a kickass character in LOTV!! He looks...AWESOME! Aight google time...
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On June 11 2012 11:44 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 02:46 Zvenn3n wrote:On June 11 2012 02:11 Moonsalt wrote:
I hope to see him again in HotS! Doubt it. If there's any installation of SCII Fenix will be in, then I think it'll be LOTV. I really hope so, because Fenix was my fav character. Killing him felt like killing a tiny part of myself =( Which is why they won't bring him back. His death was too sacred. It solidified our hatreds.
tassadar
nothing is sacred :[
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Arent phoenix enough love for Fenix?
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dont worry fellas, hell be back
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I think it would be awesome if Blizzard left us at the end of HotS with an utterly hopeless situation... the threat of the Dark Voice is even greater, maybe Kerrigan even dies trying to delay them or something, the galaxy is still not united... all leading to the Protoss leadership having to fix everything up from an impossible situation in LotV.
In my opinion Raynor won way too easily in WoL.
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You know why Fenix wasn't even mentioned? Because the last time he was mentioned, it was when Raynor vowed to avenge his death by killing Kerrigan, in what was arguably the most powerful scene in all of SC1 / BW storyline. Now that SC2 completely retconned that vow for vengeance with a cheesy romance that never existed in the first game, you can't really talk about Fenix, because that would bring about awkward questions about how bad the SC2 storyline is.
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