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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
He could have wounded him, tried to help him out and then watched him slowly died as the suit shut off his organs it was a mercy kill Since when did he start chanting stuff like 'work hard, etc. etc.' and how did he turn into such a totalitarian dictator? you never finished the SC1 terran campaign? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Anyweiz - I want some of the old Brood War cynicism back, where things don't always go the right way, there's a lot of pyrrhic victories for all three sides, and more political turmoil than the average Tom Clancy book. I think Kerrigan and Raynor are a bit too happy, and Tychus was the only one that canonically dies (pretty sure Ariel and Tosh are both non-canonical). In fairness, however, we are only 1/3 of the way through SC2. So in the first two episodes of SC2, Zasz dies... and that's pretty much it, isn't it? So in Heart of the Swarm I want to see a few people die (In III and IV fell Tassadar, Overmind, and Aldaris) and by LotV I want to see characters drop like flies. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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nerak
Brazil256 Posts
Everyone, please remember that there is no definitive proof that Tychus was killed (or even shot) at the end of WoL. Yes there is. In the post mission text it says something like "The Queen of Blades is gone, but at a high cost: Mengsk remains ruling over the sector and Tychus is dead". Sorry  and also SPOILERS+ Show Spoiler + see JoJo's interview with Tychus' voice actor. He kind of spoils that Tychus is coming back @moonkybone, agree with almost everything you said. Except your third point. Mengsk is described as someone with great rethorics. And someone who is very popular, who people rely on, etc. There is not a single place in WoL that could convince me that anyone has any reason to like Mengsk. His pseudo-Orwellian state is a caricature. Not cool. They didn't need to play the "dictador" card so hard, it wouldn't hurt to be more subtle - we're no children, are we? That's one of the reasons the game feels childish sometimes. How am I supposed to believe Mengsk is a popular ruler after playing Liberation Day? Killing innocents, that's ok, it's supposed to be a secret. But how can I buy that Dominion citizens actually support a man who does such obvious facist propaganda? Anyweiz - I want some of the old Brood War cynicism back I'm so with you. I think that most lore fans are, including the ones that liked WoL's story. But in SC, in 30 missions, you lose Kerrigan, Zsaz, and Fenix - this one, temporarily. You also see Raynor be busted and the very campaign ends with you running away from your leader because everything you'd been fighting for last 9 missions was a lie. And the Protoss chapter? An useless civil war that couldn't happen while Aiur is falling. How many bad things happen to you in WoL's 29 missions? Running away from Char, check - but everyrhing feels so calm just after... Killing Hanson, check. Prophecy missions, double check. The Hybrid making you run away like a chicken, check. What else? Not much. Not many bad things happen to you in WoL. And I'm afraid that HotS will have even less bad news for you. They want you to feel that Kerrigan is a dark awesome goddess, so we will have some of the dark back, but the failures that made SC/BW so classy? They'll be missed. EDIT: Seems we will have at least some kind of news soon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332722 | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
While it makes for very varied gameplay and a riveting story, it's a little hard replaying those particular missions knowing that all your work is for nothing. When I played thru Terran Campaign on the SC2 version, I just stopped at the Big Push, because I didn't want to have to go through that betrayal again. I just closed SC and pretended that for once, just for once, everyone (well the terrans) wins and Mengsk is actually an awesome guy. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
Poll: will duran re-appear in hots? yes (35) who is duran? (7) no (3) 45 total votes Your vote: will duran re-appear in hots? | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
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Demerzel
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:30 Demerzel wrote: Also, in WoL, the Protoss technology is the same so many years into the future in the Overmind's vision. That was amusing :|. I didn't think it was that significantly in the future. Couple years at most. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
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On April 26 2012 23:15 monkybone wrote: 2) Tychus had the chance to shoot, but he didn't.. Tychus did shoot, but Raynor blocked the shot by getting in the way and it bounced harmlessly off his armor. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:30 Demerzel wrote: Also, in WoL, the Protoss technology is the same so many years into the future in the Overmind's vision. That was amusing :|. Technically, it was worse, which makes me think they just salvaged what they could (not counting zealots, carriers, DT's, other units that have been the same for thousands of years). They didn't have any sentries | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Zealot - historical main soldier of Protoss Army High Templar - historical unit Dark Templar - historical tribe, even. Archon - historical sacrificial unit Dark Archon - Well, this one was only introduced in a time of great peril. This is probably the only unit I would want for accuracy, because I think at that point the sacrifices didn't matter any more. The Protoss could use any power they could get their hands on. Anyways... Colossus - old unit that has just recently been re-activated Immortal - improvement on the Dragoon - historical wounded zealot unit Observer - well, it's been around, I'm not sure how long the protoss have been using them Scout - historical unit Corsair - historical DT air unit Carrier - Protoss fleet Mothership - very old Xel'Naga unit reverse engineered by the Protoss I think that's all of them, which leaves the Daelaam units that have only been invented because the Khalai and Dark Templar came together after the Brood War. Stalker - DT dragoon Void Ray - spaceship made by Khalai and DT engineers working together Warp Prism - I think this is Daelaam, but I may be wrong. This might be problematic, but it's an improvement on the shuttle at any rate Phoenix - Daelaam to an extent, since it's based off of both the Scout and Corsair although it much more resembles the latter. So yeah, given that they've had these units for at least a millenium, the fact that their technology hasn't improved over seven years isn't too much of a stretch. | ||
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nerak
Brazil256 Posts
I think that's all of them You forgot about sentries. Those feel pretty Daelam for me BTW. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:32 nerak wrote: You forgot about sentries. Those feel pretty Daelam for me BTW. A quick trip to the wiki tells me they're combat drones because the Protoss are nearing extinction. So yes, DEFINITELY should be in the final mission. Also, what happened to that old rumor that Raynor dies protecting Kerrigan from Duran? What happened to that? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 03 2012 04:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: A quick trip to the wiki tells me they're combat drones because the Protoss are nearing extinction. So yes, DEFINITELY should be in the final mission. Also, what happened to that old rumor that Raynor dies protecting Kerrigan from Duran? What happened to that? Raynor won't die. Narratively, he's too important for the Terran race; Mengsk, the Confederacy and the UED are kind of interchangeable, but the Terran race doesn't make a lot of sense without Raynor. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 03 2012 09:22 Zato-1 wrote: Raynor won't die. Narratively, he's too important for the Terran race; Mengsk, the Confederacy and the UED are kind of interchangeable, but the Terran race doesn't make a lot of sense without Raynor. How about in Legacy of the Void? SC3 could be continued with characters like Kerrigan, one of the Mengsks (either one, Valerian's death would be a nice hint of tragedy), Artanis or Zeratul. We just need to keep Kerrigan alive because there's really no other Zerg main characters at this point. Or take a page out of Valve's book and never get to 3, and just have them all die in LotV. | ||
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