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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I thought he was simply the agent of the dark voice?
"I serve a higher power" or something from SC1
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On December 30 2011 23:10 Plexa wrote:I thought he was simply the agent of the dark voice? "I serve a higher power" or something from SC1
I was under this impression as well but it is possible that the Dark Voice serves another power.
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On December 30 2011 11:39 nerak wrote:Interesting discussion in ScArmory, with different conclusions. http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/23118They believe the game will happen in 2506, two years after WoL... which would mean Sarah Kerrigan would be sleeping/hanging out in Hyperion por all this time. Which I don't believe. I think they probably understand this because of a typo in a SC:L article. But the OP, stebo88, says the date is "confirmed". He played the game at BlizzCon. Hm. Fun stuff the SCArmory guys figured out: 1) Predators, Terran air units from alpha, may be coming back; 2) In the trailer release in May, Nova ghosts (or specters?) shoot the weird white marines; but in the Blizzcon trailer, Kerrigan is attacking those same marines, inside Hyperion's bridge. Who are those guys, and why do everybody kill them? 3) In the Zerg invasion scenes (almost surely in Korhal?), a huge shadow can be seem in the skies. Maybe just clouds, but maybe the Leviathan itself? 4) The Protoss female's name is Lessara. Kerrigan is nice to her. Its a fun read.
Interesting. I'm reading it right now.
I don't think the opening clip (where Kerrigan is dehooked from the machine) is on the Hyperion. I mentioned it briefly earlier in this thread, but it's grown so big anyway, so I'll repost it here. This is from the wiki: "Kerrigan was taken by Jim Raynor and Valerian Mengsk to a lab while she tried to reform the Zerg Swarm in order to topple Arcturus Mengsk. A Terran Dominion task force led by Nova Terra attacked the lab, seeking Kerrigan."
We know this from the teaser. Well, except the "lab". The corridor looks too big to be the Hyperion (notice the small hallways in WoL). The source of it being the lab is this interview. Notes, he says "Mengsk finds the lab" as if the lab is a place on its own, as opposed to part of a bigger thing, like the lab in the Hyperion. Also, the door being breached in the first frame has the Dominion logo.
I've also touched upon Kerrigan's sudden wanting to take down Mengsk. This is the doing of the artifact, I think. The OP notes, as I did, that it jars a little, seeing as she's had the chance before, which helps the artifact theory.
The big shadow seems to be the behemoth, indeed. Cool to know about the Protoss female.
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Ho ho, I think you're right about it being "a lab" that Nova is invading. But when Kerrigan is attacking the white-marine guys, she is at the Hyperion.
Let me show ya.
First the marine goes stupid on her. Pay attention to the wolf - Mengsk's family symbol, present everywhere in Hyperion - at the wall. (Click to enlarge)
![[image loading]](http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/stebo88_photo/hots7.jpg)
Them she goes badass on them. You'll recognize everything about Hyperion bridge: the star map, the window, the panel that replays missions, and Matt Horner worried about people messing around in his bridge (which he is so OTC about). (Click click click)
![[image loading]](http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/stebo88_photo/hots11.jpg)
So wait...
1) Nova invades a lab and kills white marines
2) Kerrigan is at the Hyperion when she is hitting the white marines
What happens? Are the white marines Raynor's allies that betray him later (like Raynor's allies usually do) or is Kerrigan the one that is turning sides (like Raynor's allies usually do)?
How much time/missions between 1 and 2?
Also, a new picture (link to Wiki, including source) appeared somewhere in some random article. It shows the Raiders also have a base on Char. Was it stabilished before Sarah's "awakening" - like Warfield's? Or was it Sarah who let them put it there later? What if this base is the "lab"?
![[image loading]](http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111229093658/starcraft/images/5/5d/RaidersBase_SC2_Cncpt1.jpg)
Edit: And is Blizzard spoiling 80% of the Campaign in the trailer like they did with WoL? Should I stop digging information before its too late?
Happy new year everyone!
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Does it actually that is a Raiders base? I think it is Warfield's base, based on this image:
![[image loading]](http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/121/1210400/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-20111021020736728_640w.jpg)
There might be a Raiders section or something, though. I'm more interested in whether the lab is inside there or not. As I pointed out in the opening post, the preview site says Kerrigan returns to Char, as if she leaves.
And yes, that is most likely inside the Hyperion. I think the white soldiers belong to Moebius.
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On January 01 2012 21:45 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
Does it actually that is a Raiders base? I think it is Warfield's base.
You're being tricked by the architeture. Both are very 24th century Umojan. But you didn't notice the Raider's decal in the image I posted. Click the link to see it wider.
Well, the soldiers/bots are very likely to belong to Moebius. I think you got this one. Explains why Nova kills them and why Sarah attacks them.
Following this clue, I think its safe to say the lab isnt on Char. Sarah must be in Hyperion/some Moebius owned lab. Then Nova strikes in, something happens to split Sarah's and Raynor's ways, and voilà, you got your Char and Norway missions.
If Warfield's base is so close, why doesn't the Leviathan just EAT IT right away?
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You're being tricked by the architeture. Both are very 24th century Umojan. But you didn't notice the Raider's decal in the image I posted. Click the link to see it wider.
Yeah, I see it now.
"Kerrigan: Do you feel safe in there Warfield? It's nothing personal but you are standing between me and Arcturus Mengsk. And that's a very bad place to be."
Why is Warfield standing between her and Mengsk? Is it because he is cleansing Zerg?
If Warfield's base is so close, why doesn't the Leviathan just EAT IT right away?
Because metal is bad for you?
I think following exchange is interesting, as it suggests that something or someone very mighty might contest Kerrigan's rule over the Swarm.
"Za'gara: I only did as you instructed.
Kerrigan: I told you to rebel against me?
Za'gara: You said the Zerg should be lead by force of will.
Za'gara: Your will is strongest and I shall serve you."
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On January 03 2012 15:49 Dante.StarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +You're being tricked by the architeture. Both are very 24th century Umojan. But you didn't notice the Raider's decal in the image I posted. Click the link to see it wider. Yeah, I see it now. "Kerrigan: Do you feel safe in there Warfield? It's nothing personal but you are standing between me and Arcturus Mengsk. And that's a very bad place to be." Why is Warfield standing between her and Mengsk? Is it because he is cleansing Zerg? Show nested quote +If Warfield's base is so close, why doesn't the Leviathan just EAT IT right away? Because metal is bad for you? I think following exchange is interesting, as it suggests that something or someone very mighty might contest Kerrigan's rule over the Swarm. "Za'gara: I only did as you instructed. Kerrigan: I told you to rebel against me? Za'gara: You said the Zerg should be lead by force of will. Za'gara: Your will is strongest and I shall serve you."
Za'Gara means the Broodmothers. Za'gara is one of them and she didn't accept kerri when she came to take over the brood. Za'gara thought she was mightier (hope this word is right) and didn't want kerrigan to take over the swarm. after both battled kerrigan won and zagara accepted her as a leader. The broodmothers were the leaders when kerrigan dissapeard. Darkvoice will be far more mighty than those broodmothers but he didn't appear yet, so zagara only talks about the queens
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On January 03 2012 15:49 Dante.StarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +If Warfield's base is so close, why doesn't the Leviathan just EAT IT right away? Because metal is bad for you?
Nope. Leviathans can infest structures inside their bellies, making them easier to digest. We eat base, then we infest it.
Maybe the Leviathan unit will have a "Poop Infested Command Center" ability in campaign.
"Kerrigan: Do you feel safe in there Warfield? It's nothing personal but you are standing between me and Arcturus Mengsk. And that's a very bad place to be."
Why is Warfield standing between her and Mengsk? Is it because he is cleansing Zerg?
Yeah, we are already thinking, "Kerrigan is an angry space-godess and Warfield is sitting on her backyard with but a handful of red shirt marines. But she'll start out pretty depowered. And of course, Warfield had "half the fleet" on Char in some moment. Za'Gara was probably giving him some trouble.
Makes me wonder. While we where busy in a 'tiny' focused mission in All In, Warfield was possibly leading a planet-wide battle against the Zerg. It was possibly one of the greatest battles of Starcraft history. He was in charge of half of the Terrans's most powerful armada. The Dominion had all of the Raiders reaserches, upgrades, and more. On the opposing side, the zerg of Char, which were not counted as 10 billions, because they where scattered through the sector, but still were numerous, and counted with a planet which was probably "terraformed" to better suit their defenses.
Still, the artwork make seem like Horace's forces are in pretty miserable state. Were "half the fleet" wiped out? Or did Arcturus called the fleet back, leaving Horace there fend for himself with sticks and stones?
What about the Zerg? Ok, so Kerrigan is still weak, she is just using zerglings/banelings/roaches to reclaim Char. But what about Za'Gara? Doesn't she have Brood Lords and Ultralisks, not to mention Brutalisks, Levithans, Torrasques, left to face Kerrigan?
But answering your question, yes. I believe he's representing the Dominion's, and not Valerian's, interests.
On January 03 2012 19:47 Denda Reloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 15:49 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
I think following exchange is interesting, as it suggests that something or someone very mighty might contest Kerrigan's rule over the Swarm.
"Za'gara: I only did as you instructed.
Kerrigan: I told you to rebel against me?
Za'gara: You said the Zerg should be lead by force of will.
Za'gara: Your will is strongest and I shall serve you." Za'Gara means the Broodmothers. Za'gara is one of them and she didn't accept kerri when she came to take over the brood. Za'gara thought she was mightier (hope this word is right) and didn't want kerrigan to take over the swarm. after both battled kerrigan won and zagara accepted her as a leader. The broodmothers were the leaders when kerrigan dissapeard. Darkvoice will be far more mighty than those broodmothers but he didn't appear yet, so zagara only talks about the queens
About Kerrigan being contested, and other being having control over the Swarm in the future, read to this: Echoes of the Future alternate storyline.
In a nutshell, the Overmind tells Zeratul it had a purpose: to wipe the Protoss. But it thought its Swarm was too beautiful to vanish just like that after its objective was accomplished. So it created an inheritor. Another creature to rule the Swarm. But it did it just so the Swarm could oulive the Overmind itself.
Apparently, between the BW and WoL, the Queen of Blades made a new hierarchy inside the Swarm. So that, if she is gone, the Brood Mothers could still guide the Swarm into survival. That may appear as a creative touch from her, but that was actually why the Overmind created her in the first place: she was a tool to free the zerg and make their survival an end in itself.
So, if another Brood Mother or sapient zerg (or even non-zerg?) creature shows up in the future and chops out Kerrigan's head, claiming control over the Swarm, that wouldn't be exactly against her plans.
*Except* if this creature is the Dark Voice. Because the Dark Voice wants the Zerg dead. And the Queen of Blades was just and above all an instrument for the Swarm's survival.
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Btw i think the majority of the 50% dominion fleet has been wiped out but warfield managed to make a foothold while the zerg were without ctrl and broodmothers fled because alone they were too weak (see nafash on kaldir)
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Yeah, I think a lot of Dominion dudes kicked the can during the invasion.
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It's sad that only 1% of the whole sc2 community is interested in the lore/storytelling of the game etc =(
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On January 03 2012 21:21 nerak wrote:About Kerrigan being contested, and other being having control over the Swarm in the future, read to this: Echoes of the Future alternate storyline. In a nutshell, the Overmind tells Zeratul it had a purpose: to wipe the Protoss. But it thought its Swarm was too beautiful to vanish just like that after its objective was accomplished. So it created an inheritor. Another creature to rule the Swarm. But it did it just so the Swarm could oulive the Overmind itself.
Good stuff! I love how hard it is to put the pieces together in a single unified way! I am guessing Blizzard changed the Zeratul/Overmind interaction to include Tassadar and less information as to not show their cards so early or because they don't want the Xel'Naga to be seen as a negative force.
If the Xel'Naga are, ultimately, evil, then the Dark Voice is most likely an off-cycle manifestation of the Xel'Naga or something like a guardian for them. To elaborate further, The Dark Voice acts in ways to ensure that the Xel'Naga are reincarnated during the stage between their death and reincarnation. It could also be that the Dark Voice is a dis-embodied Xel'Naga. Regardless, if the Xel'Naga are 'evil' then the Dark Voice serves them and their ends. Samir Duran also mentions that he serves a higher power so then Samir Duran being the Dark Voice sounds more plausible as they are both serving the Xel'Naga's reincarnation.
If the Xel'Naga are not meant to be evil in the end then everything becomes more complicated again! It will be fun to watch it unfold!
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On January 04 2012 08:02 Denda Reloaded wrote:
It's sad that only 1% of the whole sc2 community is interested in the lore/storytelling of the game etc =(
I lost interest in the lore when I beat the SC2 campaign. It was just so bad and full of so many clichés. They expected me to believe Kerrigan turned into some prophecy fearing moron when she single handedly destroyed the entirety of the UED force and all of Mengsk's armada. It completely goes against everything she stood for in SC1/BW. Now Kerrigan is a a kind of a Rapunzel and Raynor is some sort of Knight in shining armor even though at the end of BW Raynor wanted her dead more than anyone else.
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On January 04 2012 13:24 Zombo Joe wrote:
I lost interest in the lore when I beat the SC2 campaign. It was just so bad and full of so many clichés. They expected me to believe Kerrigan turned into some prophecy fearing moron when she single handedly destroyed the entirety of the UED force and all of Mengsk's armada. It completely goes against everything she stood for in SC1/BW. Now Kerrigan is a a kind of a Rapunzel and Raynor is some sort of Knight in shining armor even though at the end of BW Raynor wanted her dead more than anyone else.
This is truly the worst thing that could happen... It has many clichés, but that's what it is like to "restart" a storyline after 7 years... It's not easy to write story that catches everyones interests... I expect more from HoTs and also more of Sarah Kerrigan... Let's see what the expansion will become and if it gets interesting...
I also hope that Zeratul makes some nice moves...
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On January 04 2012 08:03 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 21:21 nerak wrote:About Kerrigan being contested, and other being having control over the Swarm in the future, read to this: Echoes of the Future alternate storyline. In a nutshell, the Overmind tells Zeratul it had a purpose: to wipe the Protoss. But it thought its Swarm was too beautiful to vanish just like that after its objective was accomplished. So it created an inheritor. Another creature to rule the Swarm. But it did it just so the Swarm could oulive the Overmind itself. Good stuff! I love how hard it is to put the pieces together in a single unified way! I am guessing Blizzard changed the Zeratul/Overmind interaction to include Tassadar and less information as to not show their cards so early or because they don't want the Xel'Naga to be seen as a negative force. If the Xel'Naga are, ultimately, evil, then the Dark Voice is most likely an off-cycle manifestation of the Xel'Naga or something like a guardian for them. To elaborate further, The Dark Voice acts in ways to ensure that the Xel'Naga are reincarnated during the stage between their death and reincarnation. It could also be that the Dark Voice is a dis-embodied Xel'Naga. Regardless, if the Xel'Naga are 'evil' then the Dark Voice serves them and their ends. Samir Duran also mentions that he serves a higher power so then Samir Duran being the Dark Voice sounds more plausible as they are both serving the Xel'Naga's reincarnation. If the Xel'Naga are not meant to be evil in the end then everything becomes more complicated again! It will be fun to watch it unfold!
I wouldn't put to much weight on that alternate storyline. I assume it was changed alongside The Dark Templar saga, which is meant as sort of a prologue to SC2, and the Xel'Naga are not depicted as evil there.
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On January 04 2012 20:48 Dante.StarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 08:03 willoc wrote:On January 03 2012 21:21 nerak wrote:About Kerrigan being contested, and other being having control over the Swarm in the future, read to this: Echoes of the Future alternate storyline. In a nutshell, the Overmind tells Zeratul it had a purpose: to wipe the Protoss. But it thought its Swarm was too beautiful to vanish just like that after its objective was accomplished. So it created an inheritor. Another creature to rule the Swarm. But it did it just so the Swarm could oulive the Overmind itself. Good stuff! I love how hard it is to put the pieces together in a single unified way! I am guessing Blizzard changed the Zeratul/Overmind interaction to include Tassadar and less information as to not show their cards so early or because they don't want the Xel'Naga to be seen as a negative force. If the Xel'Naga are, ultimately, evil, then the Dark Voice is most likely an off-cycle manifestation of the Xel'Naga or something like a guardian for them. To elaborate further, The Dark Voice acts in ways to ensure that the Xel'Naga are reincarnated during the stage between their death and reincarnation. It could also be that the Dark Voice is a dis-embodied Xel'Naga. Regardless, if the Xel'Naga are 'evil' then the Dark Voice serves them and their ends. Samir Duran also mentions that he serves a higher power so then Samir Duran being the Dark Voice sounds more plausible as they are both serving the Xel'Naga's reincarnation. If the Xel'Naga are not meant to be evil in the end then everything becomes more complicated again! It will be fun to watch it unfold! I wouldn't put to much weight on that alternate storyline. I assume it was changed alongside The Dark Templar saga, which is meant as sort of a prologue to SC2, and the Xel'Naga are not depicted as evil there.
You're sure right about how little it tells about the Xel'Naga. But the fun aspect of this alternate version is that is turns the Overmind (back?) into a real good character. When Tassadar said, "the Overmind was brave", I felt like Tassadar was pushing it a bit. Felt awkward. When I read this alternate script, the first thing I thought was "wow, the Overmind was brave".
And if the Xel'Naga of this version aren't out current "actual" Xel'Naga, the Overmind's motivations remain the same. That's what's cool about it.
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I think the Xel'Naga were just selfish when it came to the Protoss and Zerg, as they created them to be reborn. It's egoistic, but nothing compared to the Hybrids, who want to destroy them.
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does anybody know when blizzard will release new information about campaign or storyline?
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