EPTI went through the guidelines of the forum to make sure I wouldn't brake any rules. I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v2 insanes in starcraft2 with Terran? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies.
Thx!
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
I went through the guidelines of the forum to make sure I wouldn't brake any rules. I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v2 insanes in starcraft2 with Terran? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! | ||
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ikarigendo
United States99 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
But anyway, you're better off using the race Athene claims to play to do this. You've no chance of winning a macro game and the easiest way I've found to do this is to select a shared base and just cannon rush. You need to start building the pylon a good distance away though because AI has fog of war haxx and will send all workers to attack if you're too close. | ||
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
On February 25 2011 16:32 Athenewins wrote: Thx for the replies. I'm not after the in-game achievement and am wondering if it is possible to beat 2v1 insanes with Terran in a macro game and if anyone did it since i couldn't find any strategies or replays. Yes it is. You just need to be smarter than the computer. | ||
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jimmyjingle
United States472 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On February 25 2011 21:17 Sanguinarius wrote: Yes it is. You just need to be smarter than the computer. I find it quite unlikely intelligence is a factor when you're 2v1'ing with both enemies starting the game with the equivalent to a high yield. Regardless of your skill, their first push would dominate anyone. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
On February 26 2011 01:03 Teliko wrote: I find it quite unlikely intelligence is a factor when you're 2v1'ing with both enemies starting the game with the equivalent to a high yield. Regardless of your skill, their first push would dominate anyone. No, you just need to be smarter than the computer and abuse their inferior AI. They will out macro you, but you need to out think them if you want to win a long game. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
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jimmyjingle
United States472 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOMrwi7dwRU + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
He said 1v2 insanes, not insane FFA. | ||
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ChaoticBlack
Australia288 Posts
Try watching this video | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On February 26 2011 11:19 ChaoticBlack wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3CANsePV5s&annotation_id=annotation_360386&feature=iv Try watching this video He's not trying to cheese an achievement. He want's to actually outplay 2 insane computers (or find out if it's possible). Unfortunately I can't think of any way to do it without abusing/cheesing AI. (Drops/reapers in both bases when their army is on your doorstep so they retreat to defend. Building/cancelling structures to interrupt mining time. etc.) | ||
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Azane
United States3 Posts
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
It will be tricky as it is gg if you lose the reaper and it will require high APM. Straight reapers maybe viable like it is in co-op but you might not be able to pull an enemy attack before the damage is done, I will try it sometime. | ||
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asdfjh
Canada230 Posts
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TexSC
United States195 Posts
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
just went pure mass marines out of a million barracks with medivacs. attacked when 2/2 finished. make a bunch of bunkers to survive their initial push, after that its a mid game push, then after that its ez breezy. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Don´t know if it still works against the ai. You should take 2 zerg or 1 zerg/1 terra as enemies though, much easier than going against 2 terran. Protoss is nigh unbeatable anyway since they will come very early with colossusses. Or simply cannon rush any 2 ais on twilight fortress in 10 minutes. On February 27 2011 16:44 Athenewins wrote: Thx for all the feedback, everything i have read so far didn't work though. Is it btw humanly possible to beat 3 insanes with Terran (not FFA) or is that just out of question without exploiting? I'm just wondering if the gap between incredible skill and computer AI can be that big as I'm not very familiar with it? I believe not. There is a reason the 1v3 and 1v4 achievements are only against hard ai. The insane ai gets 20% more resources than a normal person. So early on the army of an ai will just be bigger than yours. You may be able to beat it with superior micro or composition. But when there are 3 armies, all bigger than yours, then there is no fucking way to beat that without abusing ai weaknesses. Probably impossible with anything but triple cannonrush. | ||
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Synystyr
United States1446 Posts
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anilusion
Sweden247 Posts
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Carapas
Canada242 Posts
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Defilez
Norway94 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Mettyman
Denmark132 Posts
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korenje
Slovenia3 Posts
and that was before playing online  nothing special here. | ||
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AnusVonGrapple
Canada4 Posts
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iFrost
Australia2 Posts
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Excessive
Denmark151 Posts
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Apophislol
United Kingdom2 Posts
i was also curious to if you had completed it or not, because on the AI's attack (at the 59th min) it looks like they were about to break through (or at least significantly whittle you down) when your video conveniently desyncs | ||
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cangiz
Canada286 Posts
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Yurie
12079 Posts
It is very easy to do on twilight fortress novice version. Having a high hp free wall and three expansions behind it... | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
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AnusVonGrapple
Canada4 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:17 Apophislol wrote: Athene i saw ur replay, u may want to make Orbital Commands a bit before 100 supply, and also wall off your expo and keep repairing/replacing the buildings as you had almsot 6.2k minerals not doing anything and not enough vespian to build any more tanks i was also curious to if you had completed it or not, because on the AI's attack (at the 59th min) it looks like they were about to break through (or at least significantly whittle you down) when your video conveniently desyncs hahahah same shit happened to me | ||
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v3 insanes (not FFA) in starcraft2? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! | ||
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killmore
Canada4 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:42 Athenewins wrote: Hi again, I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v3 insanes (not FFA) in starcraft2? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! "SC2: 3v1 insane terran toturial" in about a 2-3 days ? How much you pay Kiwi to play for you ? ps: sorry leet king, you own at everything and I suck  | ||
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Carapas
Canada242 Posts
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Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:42 Athenewins wrote: Hi again, I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v3 insanes (not FFA) in starcraft2? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! It has been done but its not like people will know it has been anyways | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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pwnageplus
34 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:42 Athenewins wrote: Hi again, I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v3 insanes (not FFA) in starcraft2? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! I've done it, I'll give you the replay for one hundred bucks | ||
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adso
718 Posts
quote: Teliko "You need to start building the pylon a good distance away though because AI has fog of war haxx and will send all workers to attack if you're too close." "fog of war haxx" is ze best lol every time = 3/6/9 workers off the line... precious. thank you all for the links.. glhf | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On February 25 2011 13:29 Teliko wrote: Obvious fake Athene account is obvious. But anyway, you're better off using the race Athene claims to play to do this. You've no chance of winning a macro game and the easiest way I've found to do this is to select a shared base and just cannon rush. You need to start building the pylon a good distance away though because AI has fog of war haxx and will send all workers to attack if you're too close. ahahahahahahaha, he made a video about you | ||
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Iggnite
Canada288 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On March 02 2011 09:27 Kazzabiss wrote: ahahahahahahaha, he made a video about you ![[image loading]](http://img694.imageshack.us/i/athenesc22v1insaneterra.png/) Pow! | ||
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FILM
United States663 Posts
In other news, it finally makes sense that AtheneWins (the Protoss account) was actually KiWiKaKi and he has been playing Terran all along on another account called Furious (Terran, ~2000 masters). In a previous video he demonstrated some things using the race as well. A sly detail caught in this video is that he pretends to have never really played the race and to not be aware of buildings that the Terran are able to build. In any case, I had no idea this was possible. Thanks for sharing. | ||
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dmasterding
United States205 Posts
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Dont Panic
United States194 Posts
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Apophislol
United Kingdom2 Posts
A sly detail caught in this video is that he pretends to have never really played the race and to not be aware of buildings that the Terran are able to build. I lol'd | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:36 xiaofan wrote: i would suggest you turtle with tanks from 2 factories then make bcs from 1 starport. this holds off all attacks until you're mined out and cant do anything but repair ur shit. at this point the only solution is to desync. optimal desync is around 49 minutes. also never use hotkeys. What you did there. I see it. | ||
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Healingproof
Sweden81 Posts
http://img59.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2011030211513.jpg/ He failed. | ||
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Contra1
Netherlands25 Posts
On March 02 2011 20:47 Healingproof wrote: LOL He didn't do it: http://img59.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2011030211513.jpg/ He failed. He used a different account to play the game vs AI in. Someone got a link to his other account? Having a replay that desinq's isn't proof of anything. | ||
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korenje
Slovenia3 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:42 Athenewins wrote: Hi again, I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to beat single player 1v3 insanes (not FFA) in starcraft2? Haven't been able to find any replays nor strategies. Thx! I just beat 5v1 insane not ffa. nothing special here. | ||
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korenje
Slovenia3 Posts
On March 02 2011 10:37 FILM wrote: The replay he provided was pretty neat, very well optimized. In other news, it finally makes sense that AtheneWins (the Protoss account) was actually KiWiKaKi and he has been playing Terran all along on another account called Furious (Terran, ~2000 masters). In a previous video he demonstrated some things using the race as well. A sly detail caught in this video is that he pretends to have never really played the race and to not be aware of buildings that the Terran are able to build. In any case, I had no idea this was possible. Thanks for sharing. it's called acting. athenewins is almost as big troll as me. except that he's got much lower iq. I wonder how good he would do in GO (baduk). If he gets to 3dan in 6 months, then he's better than me. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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Wnatz
Norway28 Posts
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pwnsauce
United States1 Post
On March 03 2011 02:52 Wnatz wrote: What a joke... Using building to absorb damage ? Yeah, Pure brilliance as you put it yourself. >.> Why you jelly bro? | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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hellsan631
United States695 Posts
(I cheesed them, but allowed them to live, and around 15 min or so, I died from 3x maxed armies) | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
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dmasterding
United States205 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:59 DarthXX wrote: It is possible to play a 2v1 straight up. You need to turtle hard to survive the initial push, but if you just slow push tanks across the map you will win. Although I guess this isn't so straight up since ur abusing the fact that the AI just runs their entire army into tank fire and dies..... Yeah you're right that that would be a gimmicky strategy. In Athene's case, he made enough tanks to survive their initial bioball, but in reality a real player wouldn't just a-move their whole army constantly up the ramp to try to break through. A single mutalisk would have done so much damage because he was RUSHING to tanks. | ||
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Draconsc2
Norway2 Posts
seems like a boring match to play... here you can see i beat 2 insane terran as terran myself under 25min. http://www.2shared.com/file/TMkV__P_/1v2_Insane_terran_vs_terran_Al.html so please Athene....please... | ||
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RascaL.253
United States15 Posts
/salutes | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On March 03 2011 21:00 Draconsc2 wrote: Lol i saw athenewins youtube channel that he beat 1v2 insane terran in 1h and 20min seems like a boring match to play... here you can see i beat 2 insane terran as terran myself under 25min. http://www.2shared.com/file/TMkV__P_/1v2_Insane_terran_vs_terran_Al.html so please Athene....please... Anyone can cheese AI by abusing their mechanics. The reason Athene is showing off is because he actually took the AI's push head on and defended it instead of flying off to the island like a little bitch. | ||
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Draconsc2
Norway2 Posts
just accept the fact that someone is better then Athene and that is me... Please.... | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:10 Draconsc2 wrote: thanks your hate only make me stronger, and that isnt cheese, its only tactic. just accept the fact that someone is better then Athene and that is me... Please.... hahaha you Win. using athene's trolling agains him, brilliant !!! UMAD Athene ? | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:10 Draconsc2 wrote: thanks your hate only make me stronger, and that isnt cheese, its only tactic. just accept the fact that someone is better then Athene and that is me... Please.... than* On March 04 2011 03:24 damod wrote: hahaha you Win. using athene's trolling agains him, brilliant !!! UMAD Athene ? Grats on samefagging. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I won 1v2 in beta as copper league player. Do I win this thread now? On a more serious note the main reason 1v3 insane ai is so damn hard to do is because you cant do it on Lost Temple and there are no other good maps(at least the last time I checked all maps). Maybe I am not up to date and they changed some stuff but since nobody seems to have a problem beating 1v2 ai I can´t be bother to check if I´m trolling right now. I didn´t watch the 10 minute video either, I guess that is why everybody is crazy now over stuff like walling in and using tanks. pro tip: use full wall of bunkers with all ebay upgrades, repair with shitton scv and ofcourse have dozens of 3/0 tanks. Disregard this transmission out | ||
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BombaySensei
United States282 Posts
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cheeserz
Finland1 Post
http://www.movielol.org/downl.php?file=Athene3v1InsaneTerran.SC2Replay | ||
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stanik
Canada213 Posts
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Baxter
Australia45 Posts
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Kenn
7 Posts
On March 09 2011 06:54 stanik wrote: Wouldn't it be funny if 2 cloaked ghosts took out 20 seige tanks and 2 badly hurt battle cruisers because someone didn't know that scanning revealed cloaked units? I would imagine the best Protoss in the world know that just from playing against Terran. Someone on Reddit has apparently beaten the Athene challenge by besting 1x4 insanes. I wonder what Athene will pull next... | ||
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
Also the replay of 2v1 was corrupted which means you haven't proven you won that battle. It looked really shitty situation. If you want to know how to beat many insane bots. Have banshee between mineralline and open space and whenever AI moves out just run your banshee in. He cannot leave base, glhf and remember if you use this strat credit is mine already xddxdx | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
That man is now a PvEfag. | ||
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dAko
Switzerland18 Posts
On March 10 2011 00:11 Teliko wrote: A wise man once said 'It's all about the rating'. That man is now a PvEfag. You have to adjust to your abilities. | ||
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marconi
Croatia220 Posts
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adso
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