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Kerrigan is evil or misunderstood?

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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 17:11:37
October 18 2010 16:53 GMT
#1
So she kills a bunch of people because they attack her, or the overmind makes her do it, or because the UED are killing everyone. Then goes dormant for four years. Then comes back again for some reason, possibly because Duran is planning on deinfesting her.

Granted, she had acruel streak and a sadist personality, but it was never as simple as Kerrigan killing for the lulz or for the betterment of the swarm. And then there was the four years of dormancy, and apparantly she lets Jim and Arcturus go because she can, but not Duke, the UED or Fenix because apparantly they're too dangerous to allow to live or something. Also there was that time where she helped the Protoss save Shakuras. She didn't have to offer help, and it would probably have been safer for her plan with Razagal if she had left the protoss to fend for themselves. Zeratul knew where the magic crystals were, and it's safe to assume that through her connection with Razagal that Kerrigan knew that Zeratul knew. It's likely that the protoss would have taken the crystals with or without Kerrigans aid.

She was pretty malicious when speaking to them, but seemed to feel kind of guilty afterwards.

So which is it? She is definitly aggressive, no doubt about that, but that's not really evil now is it...

I have a feeling that she'll try and justify her actions in HotS.
Touch
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada475 Posts
October 18 2010 17:39 GMT
#2
She's insanely hot, like insanely, insanely hot. That's far more than what I can be bothered to be concerned of.
Sieg
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 17:52:45
October 18 2010 17:48 GMT
#3
she was much hotter in the original, they ruined her design, not only visually but her character too
gone are the days where she was scheming, cunning, brutal etc
she was kinda just a placeholder for where sc2 needed a real villian

this is probably because now either a) shes completely cured of that personality and blizzard didnt want that to be too big a shock or b) that personality had a secret good agenda and kerrigans going to be reinfected

+ Show Spoiler +
most of OP's quote is from the originals story, anyone who hasnt done the sc2 campaign and reads that, dont get your hopes up


maybe blizzard decided they needed some characters alive to work with just in case, but they needed to establish her by destroying less vital characters
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
October 18 2010 17:54 GMT
#4
When she was zerg she was evil no doubt.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
October 18 2010 18:16 GMT
#5
All geniuses are misunderstood
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 18 2010 18:25 GMT
#6
On October 19 2010 02:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
she was much hotter in the original, they ruined her design, not only visually but her character too
gone are the days where she was scheming, cunning, brutal etc
she was kinda just a placeholder for where sc2 needed a real villian

this is probably because now either a) shes completely cured of that personality and blizzard didnt want that to be too big a shock or b) that personality had a secret good agenda and kerrigans going to be reinfected

+ Show Spoiler +
most of OP's quote is from the originals story, anyone who hasnt done the sc2 campaign and reads that, dont get your hopes up


maybe blizzard decided they needed some characters alive to work with just in case, but they needed to establish her by destroying less vital characters


Um, no it's not from the original story. Unless you call Broodwar the original story.

Really, Kerrigan was nothing special in the original either. She gets betrayed, becomes Zerg, throws some hissy fits at Zasz, and gets played by Tassadar. Can summarize her original infested personality as "I AM STRONG I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DOUBT ME!".

She was more sophisticated in Broodwar because she was in a lot of trouble and had to use her brain for once.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 18 2010 18:45 GMT
#7
On October 19 2010 03:16 Superouman wrote:
All geniuses are misunderstood


Especially Evil Geniuses amirite? Right? inconTROLL amirite? idRA(GE) amirite?

No but seriously, Kerrigan is totally evil.
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Touch
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada475 Posts
October 18 2010 18:55 GMT
#8
I doubt Kerrigan is evil, she's just fighting for supremacy for her race. Just like the Protoss and Terran. The only reason why the Zerg appear evil is because they are winning. (not to mention ugly)
Sieg
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10098 Posts
October 18 2010 19:06 GMT
#9
I feel like Kerrigan is not evil, only because it's wat the zerg does. hey, its it gross for people to take a shit??? or do their business in the woods when camping??? no, its wat we are taught (or instincts), so saying she is evil is wrong. sure she killed all those people, but hey, she just wants the zerg to be more superior. Also, she's is soo hot in the first photo...
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 18 2010 20:38 GMT
#10
On October 19 2010 04:06 FlaShFTW wrote:
I feel like Kerrigan is not evil, only because it's wat the zerg does. hey, its it gross for people to take a shit??? or do their business in the woods when camping??? no, its wat we are taught (or instincts), so saying she is evil is wrong. sure she killed all those people, but hey, she just wants the zerg to be more superior. Also, she's is soo hot in the first photo...


Just because it's someone's nature doesn't mean it isn't evil.
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lazerwizz
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary53 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 21:45:15
October 18 2010 21:27 GMT
#11
if my memory serves well there was a write up about kerrigan on sclegacy.com but its old.
edit: here it is
http://sclegacy.com/feature/9-contributor/500-kerrigan-an-analysis-of-the-queen-of-starcraft
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 18 2010 23:15 GMT
#12
On October 19 2010 03:55 Touch wrote:
I doubt Kerrigan is evil, she's just fighting for supremacy for her race. Just like the Protoss and Terran. The only reason why the Zerg appear evil is because they are winning. (not to mention ugly)


I assumed the whole assimilating all known species into the swarm borg-style is what made them evil.

But Blizz screwed the pooch and gave us the Warcraft plot again.
Dinn
Profile Joined May 2010
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 00:35:28
October 19 2010 00:33 GMT
#13
What the heck. Billy_, why'd you open two threads for Kerrigan?

Edit: I just looked around the single player forum. you started a LOT of threads..
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 00:51:02
October 19 2010 00:48 GMT
#14
On October 19 2010 05:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 04:06 FlaShFTW wrote:
I feel like Kerrigan is not evil, only because it's wat the zerg does. hey, its it gross for people to take a shit??? or do their business in the woods when camping??? no, its wat we are taught (or instincts), so saying she is evil is wrong. sure she killed all those people, but hey, she just wants the zerg to be more superior. Also, she's is soo hot in the first photo...


Just because it's someone's nature doesn't mean it isn't evil.

Yes it does.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 02:57:50
October 19 2010 02:55 GMT
#15
On October 19 2010 09:48 Billy_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 05:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 19 2010 04:06 FlaShFTW wrote:
I feel like Kerrigan is not evil, only because it's wat the zerg does. hey, its it gross for people to take a shit??? or do their business in the woods when camping??? no, its wat we are taught (or instincts), so saying she is evil is wrong. sure she killed all those people, but hey, she just wants the zerg to be more superior. Also, she's is soo hot in the first photo...


Just because it's someone's nature doesn't mean it isn't evil.

Yes it does.


What kind of fucked up definition of evil are you looking into? Sure, evil is relative to a person's morals, but it's completely ridiculous to say that just because (for example) it's someone's nature to torture little children for fun, all of a sudden it isn't evil. It's not like if I normally find something evil, I just make an exception if someone says that it's what they're conditioned to do. It's that kind of crap that is letting humanity get away from personal responsibility more and more.
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 19 2010 03:45 GMT
#16
The Zerg definition.

I don't blame Kerrigan any more than psychos for their mental defects.

You are oversimplifying it with that horrible example.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 19 2010 04:46 GMT
#17
BW answers the question for you: she's an evil bitch.

They might be retconning that for SC2, however.
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 19 2010 04:57 GMT
#18
Broodwar was just a side story. There wasn't much to retcon..
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
October 19 2010 05:15 GMT
#19
meh, i dunno if it's either really. or maybe it's both. obviously she was twisted into kind of a monster by her infestation, and i think that's because she's a combination of the cold, consuming nature of the swarm and her human emotions, such as bitterness at being abandoned and probably the rest of her life before that considering she was experimented on. so no doubt she was a nasty creature as the queen of blades, but good bad guys have this side to them where you can understand how they became that way and i think kerrigan was one of those.

plus the whole 'kerrigan is the key to saving us all' thing in sc2 is not necessarily mutually exclusive with her being evil, but since she's been de-infested or whatever i guess they're gonna take that route from now on.
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 19 2010 05:36 GMT
#20
plus the whole 'kerrigan is the key to saving us all' thing in sc2 is not necessarily mutually exclusive with her being evil, but since she's been de-infested or whatever i guess they're gonna take that route from now on.


If the whole 'kerrigan as the chosen one" thing is derailed then that might make for an interesting story. Would also give Tassadar an opportunity to make the most of his return.

Honestly, I think that there is a good chance that Kerrigan won't be the savior. If she was, then wouldn't it make the most sense for the zerg expansion to come last?
Doc Daneeka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States577 Posts
October 19 2010 06:53 GMT
#21
maybe. it kinda depends on how the story develops. from in utter darkness, it looks like even if kerrigan is the key to stopping the hybrids, the protoss are still the front line. but things are gonna be really dodgy after kerrigan is brought back to civilization. the terrans AND the protoss will be out for her head, and for all we know the zerg will be feral and out of control at the start of HotS. it'll be interesting for sure but i guess only time will tell if those developments turn out to be as satisfying as they have the potential to be.
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Nydus Wurm
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States42 Posts
October 19 2010 07:23 GMT
#22
What I'm thinking for the story is that the Protoss kidnap now not-infested Kerrigan and plan to sacrifice her in a Satanic ritual to ward off the Xel'Naga. Unfortunately, Kerrigan wasn't a virgin, so the sacrifice doesn't really work and Kerrigan get's some demon powers. She's pissed at the Zerg for infesting her, so she uses her demon powers to grow giant wings and tries to ride a brood lord into Char to kill a cerebrate. Unfortunately, she doesn't think to bring a parachute, so when she tries to dismount the brood lord and her wings don't work because char is too hot, she breaks her legs on the ground. Now the Zerg think they can try infesting her again, and get a Demon-Eagle-Queen of Blades. At this point, Raynor get pissed that Kerrigan is missing so he tries to find the Protoss to figure out what they did with her. He get's in contact with Selednis, who tells him about the ritual and that the Zerg are trying to infest her again. So the Protoss and Terran team up, but Zeratul gets jeallous of how much time Raynor is spending with Selednis, so he plants a real virgin in the Hyperion's core. When the ship moves again, that virgin is sacrificed, so Satan gets some power. This is basically where the story falls apart, but I think that something with the Xel'Naga will happen.

That's what I think. Anyone care to chime in?
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 19 2010 07:25 GMT
#23
And then Jim was a zombie.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 19 2010 10:04 GMT
#24
She's PURE EVIL and don't try to convince us otherwise
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zimms
Profile Joined November 2009
Austria561 Posts
October 19 2010 10:12 GMT
#25
At least now we have the dark voice who does kill only for the lulz.
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 19 2010 10:44 GMT
#26
On October 19 2010 19:12 zimms wrote:
At least now we have the dark voice who does kill only for the lulz.



"all shall be recreated in my name"... or something.

Maybe it just wants to repopulate the place with a perfect race.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 19 2010 14:33 GMT
#27
On October 19 2010 12:45 Billy_ wrote:
The Zerg definition.

I don't blame Kerrigan any more than psychos for their mental defects.

You are oversimplifying it with that horrible example.


There's a difference between blaming someone for having their mental defect and still holding them accountable for their actions. Would anyone in their right mind blame Kerrigan for being infested? Obviously not. It's not like she had a choice, but you're an idiot if you don't hold her accountable for her actions. "I'm infested!" or "I'm crazy!" or "I'm drunk!" or "I'm -insert pathetic excuse to dodge personal responsibility here-!" isn't an excuse to be an idiot.
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TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
October 19 2010 16:55 GMT
#28
Yo Billy,

Early on in SC2 Kerrigan sicks the Zerg on ALL the Terran worlds, killing 8 BILLION PEOPLE. The 4 years of dormancy was to prepare for this invasion. If you look at this statistically, Kerrigan is 1333% more evil than Hitler.

There MAY be some conflict going on within Kerrigan, but the side that is the Queen Bitch of the Universe is definitely evil.
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
October 19 2010 17:04 GMT
#29
On October 19 2010 02:39 Touch wrote:
She's insanely hot, like insanely, insanely hot. That's far more than what I can be bothered to be concerned of.


Yup

I entered this thread with the intention to say the exact same thing. =]

I dont know what she is; but I'd do her. Hard.
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 17:43:15
October 19 2010 17:10 GMT
#30
On October 19 2010 23:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 12:45 Billy_ wrote:
The Zerg definition.

I don't blame Kerrigan any more than psychos for their mental defects.

You are oversimplifying it with that horrible example.


There's a difference between blaming someone for having their mental defect and still holding them accountable for their actions. Would anyone in their right mind blame Kerrigan for being infested? Obviously not. It's not like she had a choice, but you're an idiot if you don't hold her accountable for her actions. "I'm infested!" or "I'm crazy!" or "I'm drunk!" or "I'm -insert pathetic excuse to dodge personal responsibility here-!" isn't an excuse to be an idiot.


Who said she was unaccountable? You just made a completely random assumption based on a comparison to mentally unstable people.

This talk of video game morality is getting kind of boring to be honest.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
October 19 2010 18:41 GMT
#31
On October 19 2010 02:39 Touch wrote:
She's insanely hot, like insanely, insanely hot. That's far more than what I can be bothered to be concerned of.


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Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 19 2010 18:52 GMT
#32
On October 19 2010 14:36 Billy_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
plus the whole 'kerrigan is the key to saving us all' thing in sc2 is not necessarily mutually exclusive with her being evil, but since she's been de-infested or whatever i guess they're gonna take that route from now on.


If the whole 'kerrigan as the chosen one" thing is derailed then that might make for an interesting story. Would also give Tassadar an opportunity to make the most of his return.

Honestly, I think that there is a good chance that Kerrigan won't be the savior. If she was, then wouldn't it make the most sense for the zerg expansion to come last?



she's just going to help out with the fight against the hybrid
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Slix36
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom145 Posts
October 19 2010 20:02 GMT
#33
I think there was some other motive for kerrigan's acts. I dont know if it's a good or bad one, but obviously she didn't want the terrans or protoss to interfere. Im not sure there would have been much of a choice for her to be any different even if she hadn't lost her humanity, i don't think the galaxy would have been able to stand coexisting with the zerg after everything they'd done. if she still had a human mind she'd probably still have no choice.

we'll find out in HotS. personally i think kerrigan is gonna wake up and try to explain to jim why it was so important that she remained infested, sneak off to a zerg world to be re-infested (will be under nobody's control now, so that hybrid has the chance to take it methinks), or gaining some way to control the zerg whilst she's still human. lets face it, she's not going to do nothing, and being leader of the swarm is what kerrigan does best.
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Zvendetta
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
October 19 2010 20:20 GMT
#34
This is the whole point of the second part of the SC2 trilogy.
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ghostunit
Profile Joined August 2010
61 Posts
October 19 2010 20:37 GMT
#35
Pointless thread, since the story has turned into non-sense.
TheHit
Profile Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
October 20 2010 01:02 GMT
#36

Kerrigan being infested from the overmind when Kerrigan was abandoned ignited her anger against Terran in general. Mengsk screw her over and if you were in Kerrigan's postion you would think Jim Raynor screw her over as well. Given the circumstances.
I believe the Overmind was able to use that anger to make her as a puppet and control her.

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After she turned back, she seemed like her normal self and looked very innocent

I don't think she was herself at all as infested.
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 20 2010 02:22 GMT
#37
On October 20 2010 05:37 ghostunit wrote:
Pointless thread, since the story has turned into non-sense.


What is this supposed to mean and what should have been done differently? I see people like you everywhere, you know. I've read people who seriously try to convince others the The Dark Knight was one of the worst batman movies ever, and that the The Two Towers and The Empire Strikes back are both terrible movies. And there would still be people like you even if Blizzard got everything perfect. What do you want them to do, consult you directly and seek your approval on every step of the story process?
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 20 2010 03:43 GMT
#38
On October 20 2010 11:22 Billy_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 05:37 ghostunit wrote:
Pointless thread, since the story has turned into non-sense.


What is this supposed to mean and what should have been done differently? I see people like you everywhere, you know. I've read people who seriously try to convince others the The Dark Knight was one of the worst batman movies ever, and that the The Two Towers and The Empire Strikes back are both terrible movies. And there would still be people like you even if Blizzard got everything perfect. What do you want them to do, consult you directly and seek your approval on every step of the story process?


You just lost every possible shred of credibility you could have by mentioning things like The Dark Knight, The Two Towers, and The Empire Strikes Back while trying to defend the story of WoL.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 04:46:56
October 20 2010 04:39 GMT
#39
On October 20 2010 12:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 11:22 Billy_ wrote:
On October 20 2010 05:37 ghostunit wrote:
Pointless thread, since the story has turned into non-sense.


What is this supposed to mean and what should have been done differently? I see people like you everywhere, you know. I've read people who seriously try to convince others the The Dark Knight was one of the worst batman movies ever, and that the The Two Towers and The Empire Strikes back are both terrible movies. And there would still be people like you even if Blizzard got everything perfect. What do you want them to do, consult you directly and seek your approval on every step of the story process?


You just lost every possible shred of credibility you could have by mentioning things like The Dark Knight, The Two Towers, and The Empire Strikes Back while trying to defend the story of WoL.


Nah that's not it. Just that there are always people who are going to whine and hate.

And in case you haven't notice I haven't been denying the faults of WoL, but not meeting your personal expectations doesn't make it one of the worst games of the decade And complaining that the new villain is shit when there are still anouther 60 or so missions of SCII to build the character doesn't do you any credit either, especially not when the new villain barely had a part in Wings of Liberty.
ghostunit
Profile Joined August 2010
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 07:16:50
October 20 2010 07:15 GMT
#40
It's pointless because the story is now only what is convenient for the (talentless, hack) writer.

Like in WoW, characters may come back from the dead for no reason, forget stuff they did in the past, act out of character only so that the plot goes on, etc.

Really, what's the point of discussing? there really is no character here anymore, just a stand-in carboard-cutout-like graphic and voice with a name that acts out the writer's fanfic-like sorry excuse for a story.

The end.
Francis
Profile Joined October 2010
Belize12 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 07:33:45
October 20 2010 07:28 GMT
#41
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vi3tmix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States5 Posts
October 20 2010 11:14 GMT
#42
Although I want her to be evil, it doesn't make sense. At the conclusion of the Brood War, we have the perfect apocalyptic scenario in her favor:
-Protoss are on the brink of extinction. Aiur is infested, and Shakuras was barely saved. They barely have enough to defend what's left, much less challenge the Zerg in an open war.
-Terran are fractured. Confederacy was overthrown. Homeworld of Tarsonis destroyed (as well as many other populated worlds). Dominion beaten in battle by the UED. UED expeditionary forces defeated by the Zerg.
-Zerg unified under Kerrigan's control.

The sector was ripe for the taking. She had proven her dominance...and yet she just went into hiding. This is where I feel conflicted. She's holding back for some greater plan, and unfortunately it was never revealed.

I think when it comes down to it, I can't believe her to be completely evil because she would've seized the opportunity right there and then. Not to retreat for 4 years, allowing the Terran to rebuild back to formidable strength (wtf by the way, WoL made it seem like they never even had TWO major wars within their own species). Evil is infesting worlds indiscriminately, for the sake of gaining ground and resources before crushing your opponent. Instead she defensively seeks the Artifacts, and withdraws into a defensive position when they were lost. Misunderstood being.


Personally, I just want her to be evil. I want the "returning to human" to be PART of an act--some incredibly intricate plan. Kinda like in Death Note....those who seen it know what I'm talking about.
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
October 20 2010 11:29 GMT
#43
Personally, I just want her to be evil. I want the "returning to human" to be PART of an act--some incredibly intricate plan. Kinda like in Death Note....those who seen it know what I'm talking about.


Returning to human as some incredibly intricate plan would take a huge plot twist for it to make any kind of sense for the reasons you just mentioned. Also the Narud/Duran leading Moebius, who is leading Valarian who is controlling Tychus, who is leading Raynor... yeah. I am afraid that I'm not creative enough to even begin to fathom how this could have been Kerrigans plan. Not saying it's impossible, just a huge WTF for me to think about.

Besides, it's more fun to have her start as a cripple for Heart. It's better for gameplay purposes.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 12:36:37
October 20 2010 12:35 GMT
#44
On October 20 2010 13:39 Billy_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 12:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 20 2010 11:22 Billy_ wrote:
On October 20 2010 05:37 ghostunit wrote:
Pointless thread, since the story has turned into non-sense.


What is this supposed to mean and what should have been done differently? I see people like you everywhere, you know. I've read people who seriously try to convince others the The Dark Knight was one of the worst batman movies ever, and that the The Two Towers and The Empire Strikes back are both terrible movies. And there would still be people like you even if Blizzard got everything perfect. What do you want them to do, consult you directly and seek your approval on every step of the story process?


You just lost every possible shred of credibility you could have by mentioning things like The Dark Knight, The Two Towers, and The Empire Strikes Back while trying to defend the story of WoL.


Nah that's not it. Just that there are always people who are going to whine and hate.

And in case you haven't notice I haven't been denying the faults of WoL, but not meeting your personal expectations doesn't make it one of the worst games of the decade And complaining that the new villain is shit when there are still anouther 60 or so missions of SCII to build the character doesn't do you any credit either, especially not when the new villain barely had a part in Wings of Liberty.


The problem is that instead of defending WoL you've just been coming back with, "Well BW did this and this and this!"

So? Yea, we know that Blizzard has been notoriously bad at writing stories for over a decade now. You haven't been explaining how WoL isn't bad besides saying stuff like "Well the villain is new" and "We've still got two more games", neither of which are credible excuses for bad writing. I keep saying this - it wouldn't be excusable for the beginning of any trilogy to be terrible just because it's the first installment, why are we trying to give WoL that luxury?
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Billy_
Profile Joined September 2010
461 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 16:37:10
October 20 2010 12:57 GMT
#45
You seem upset.

Maybe when you get the bile out of your system you'll start explaining what is so bad about the protoss big bad. And why you don't seem to think that it can improve. And how it could be made more interesting. The SCII plot so far seems a lot like what we're getting from Mass Effect. Do you think Mass Effect was shit too, or did you like the way they did the whole Reaper thing?

Why you're making such a big deal out of a character which was obviously only in WoL for the sake of variety and foreshadowing anyway? I thought that the Zerg, Mengsk and Moebius were supposed to be the "villains" of WoL, and not this distant Dark Voice threat which we saw in this one mission?

Maybe the lack of background information on this thing was intentional and that they'll be letting us know it's life story over the next two expansions? Kind of like how we knew nothing about the Zerg during the terran campaign of SCI, but as we played the other two perspectives got to know and appreciate everything more as we learned about their goals and origins? Clearly it's a big character for SCII, but it's not a major part of WoL so why should it get lots of this character development which you seem to be craving for?

I'm sure I didn't say anything about BW in this thread, and I can't remember ever calling WOL better than BW. I've also mentioned the stuff I didn't like about WoL, and to give a brief reiteration it was mostly concerning the basics. Stuff like how disjointed the non-linearity can feel if you play the missions in a bad order, unfunny one liners, and taking on too many mini plots in one game. As for your problems, well I'm not terribly worried about most of that simply because WoL was a bit murky about how everything else will fall into place. Why did Kerrigan want the artifacts? Who is the Protoss big bad? What side are the Xel'Naga on? etc. Whole campaign played like a prelude imo.

You seem to be way more serious and rigid with your fiction than me, so yeah... well I'll just continue to look foreward to HotS then and you can continue to be unhappy.

But if you want to reply to this, I suggest doing so in a new thread or a private message. This is already derailed enough.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
October 20 2010 13:02 GMT
#46
you mean the zerg part of her that is controlling her actions though right?


in brood war she is portrayed as a cold hearted mastermind, using her power to manipulate every other faction to her advantage and willing to commit xenocide by doing that.


in sc2 she is simply portrayed as evil. There isn't much they paint about her except that she is evil, and a victim of the overmind.

you could go on and philosophize about this, as many dictators have been adored, stalin is still adored by many russians who are victims of his regime. (if god is responsible for everything then he's evil amiright? Well no because you have been taught to think he is benevolent)

If you philosophize about this you're bullshitting yourself though. She is portrayed as evil
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MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
October 20 2010 13:10 GMT
#47
one country's hero is a villain to another
OfficerTJHooker
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada97 Posts
October 20 2010 19:23 GMT
#48
On October 19 2010 16:23 Nydus Wurm wrote:
What I'm thinking for the story is that the Protoss kidnap now not-infested Kerrigan and plan to sacrifice her in a Satanic ritual to ward off the Xel'Naga. Unfortunately, Kerrigan wasn't a virgin, so the sacrifice doesn't really work and Kerrigan get's some demon powers. She's pissed at the Zerg for infesting her, so she uses her demon powers to grow giant wings and tries to ride a brood lord into Char to kill a cerebrate. Unfortunately, she doesn't think to bring a parachute, so when she tries to dismount the brood lord and her wings don't work because char is too hot, she breaks her legs on the ground. Now the Zerg think they can try infesting her again, and get a Demon-Eagle-Queen of Blades. At this point, Raynor get pissed that Kerrigan is missing so he tries to find the Protoss to figure out what they did with her. He get's in contact with Selednis, who tells him about the ritual and that the Zerg are trying to infest her again. So the Protoss and Terran team up, but Zeratul gets jeallous of how much time Raynor is spending with Selednis, so he plants a real virgin in the Hyperion's core. When the ship moves again, that virgin is sacrificed, so Satan gets some power. This is basically where the story falls apart, but I think that something with the Xel'Naga will happen.

That's what I think. Anyone care to chime in?



You lost me at "real virgin in the Hyperion's core"

Also, Kerrigan's not a virgin? Wat is this, I don't even...
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alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 23:58:40
October 20 2010 23:55 GMT
#49
Zerg are actually "good guys" apparently in the revelation that the Overmind had been "altered" (when Zeratul talks to Tassadar), I think they're going to get into why Kerrigan suddenly just started to attack everyone after 4 years in Heart of the Swarm. But to be honest I think the script for Wings of Liberty was really short, there were too many side stories with dead ends, the whole story just seemed to be Raynor hunting Relics, Kerrigan tries to stop him but can't and the Relic kills/weakens the Swarm (maybe Kerrigan psychically knew Raynor stumbled on to something that can vaporize Zerg so that's why they attacked right when Raynor finds the relic)
ihatepeace22
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4 Posts
October 21 2010 02:07 GMT
#50
On October 21 2010 04:23 OfficerTJHooker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:23 Nydus Wurm wrote:
What I'm thinking for the story is that the Protoss kidnap now not-infested Kerrigan and plan to sacrifice her in a Satanic ritual to ward off the Xel'Naga. Unfortunately, Kerrigan wasn't a virgin, so the sacrifice doesn't really work and Kerrigan get's some demon powers. She's pissed at the Zerg for infesting her, so she uses her demon powers to grow giant wings and tries to ride a brood lord into Char to kill a cerebrate. Unfortunately, she doesn't think to bring a parachute, so when she tries to dismount the brood lord and her wings don't work because char is too hot, she breaks her legs on the ground. Now the Zerg think they can try infesting her again, and get a Demon-Eagle-Queen of Blades. At this point, Raynor get pissed that Kerrigan is missing so he tries to find the Protoss to figure out what they did with her. He get's in contact with Selednis, who tells him about the ritual and that the Zerg are trying to infest her again. So the Protoss and Terran team up, but Zeratul gets jeallous of how much time Raynor is spending with Selednis, so he plants a real virgin in the Hyperion's core. When the ship moves again, that virgin is sacrificed, so Satan gets some power. This is basically where the story falls apart, but I think that something with the Xel'Naga will happen.

That's what I think. Anyone care to chime in?



You lost me at "real virgin in the Hyperion's core"

Also, Kerrigan's not a virgin? Wat is this, I don't even...


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Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
October 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#51
To be great is to be misunderstood, and I think that Kerrigan is no exception, just as the Overmind was.
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caewil
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore26 Posts
October 21 2010 03:55 GMT
#52
Despite the similarity to Mass Effect's story, it was more the execution than the actual storyline that screwed things over. Part of the problem is that in SC1&BW each game had a coherent story in itself. With SC2, we'll only get the full story at the end of all three. Plus WoL's cardboard characters didn't really have much in the way of uniqueness. I also think they were relying too much on cinematics between missions to move things along. In SC1, the plot developed significantly within each mission. Now it seems that they just tell you stuff that might be useful for the mission. (like use the lazer drill, or whatnot)
spkim1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada286 Posts
October 21 2010 05:10 GMT
#53
oh no, no she s not evil at all, i mean, she killed off more people than Hitler did, but ..... no, no definitely not "evil", i mean, yes you could call her "aggressive" for sure ..... I mean, you don't have to be actually evil to kill billions of people right ? Like, who can prove that killing billions of people can be within the definition of evil ? jeez that's insane to even think about

ok sorry i'll stop

What I think is that Blizzard didn't really think much about the development of the plot when making the first Starcraft, and so the plot may have flaws, (hell, even the Bible has flaws).

What I'm more curious though, is how much a human Kerrigan became and how much of her is still zerg (because her hair is definitely not the orange flowing human hair she had before infestation) ..... and what powers she holds as a half-zerg now
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spkim1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 05:24:44
October 21 2010 05:17 GMT
#54
You know, I'd rather not kill off whole planets (or a race) and not be a misunderstood genius

Blizzard is trying to play with our sense of ethics :

(assuming that in the end Kerrigan is the great savior)

Kerrigan will both be responsible for genocide as well as be the saviour of all races .....

Should she be pardonned for her crimes, or "justice demands that she die", or even worshipped ???

To give her pardon would be just unfair to all those people who lost their loved ones (imagine if you lost your children or your sibling or your parent to a f*cking zerg led by Kerrigan)

To kill her would be kind of fair but not really since she saved all (and killed the others)

To worship her would be appropriate, but back to number one, I would give jack about a person who is responsible for the loss of a loved one, be they saviour or whatnot, and this would be shared by trillions of Terrans and Protoss throughout the universe (let's assume Zerg don't really have emotions ..... i mean, come on, they're aliens who breed insect-like eggs ..... )
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