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SBelmont
Profile Joined August 2008
United States122 Posts
August 02 2010 18:17 GMT
#1
Not sure that many people know, but this mission is easily doable in 4 minutes, even on Brutal. I made a picture guide for anyone interested in how this is done on Brutal. Most of it is just finding the exact positioning needed to blink without getting trapped. Guide is in spoilers.

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Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
August 02 2010 18:22 GMT
#2
haha damn , why the hell didnt i figure that out xd
scBane
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands35 Posts
August 02 2010 18:25 GMT
#3
I did it on normal in 3:24 for fun, there is a bit less detection then but I roughly took the same path.
blackodd
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden451 Posts
August 02 2010 18:27 GMT
#4
Wow, good job
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 02 2010 18:29 GMT
#5
Haha yeah i thought about it but only did it in hard so far. nice to see it works in brutal too
Warmyth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands107 Posts
August 02 2010 18:41 GMT
#6
Definitly going to try this out, thanks for the tip and screenshots !
Our light shall burn the pathway to the stars.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 02 2010 18:59 GMT
#7
Impressive.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
August 02 2010 19:46 GMT
#8
This reminds me of the brilliant strategy in the Protoss BW mission Insurgency, when Aldaris turns on you at the worst possible time and you gotta take him down. I saw a video of someone beat that mission in less than a minute with perfect timing on MCing a patrolling shuttle and then Aldaris himself.
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Eredia
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 20:03:14
August 02 2010 20:02 GMT
#9
I did the same a couple of days ago, nice of you to make a guide since I couldn't be arsed.

However I also got all research points when spending 6 minutes the try after, which when you think of it is even nicer, but then lower times are cool aswell.

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ig0tfish
Profile Joined July 2009
United States345 Posts
August 02 2010 20:48 GMT
#10
Awesome man thanks!
Perfi
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Poland349 Posts
August 02 2010 21:26 GMT
#11
The last time I called someone a "sneaky motherfucker" was when WhiteRa mothershipped Tester on Steppes. You, sir, deserve that, for this is absolutely badass.
Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
August 02 2010 21:34 GMT
#12
Nice but i still can do it so sad, I cant get the blink after the second mind beacon. Any tips?
Bananas
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden98 Posts
August 02 2010 21:46 GMT
#13
Ninja zeratul is the shit.
"terrible terrible damage"
Eredia
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 21:54:24
August 02 2010 21:51 GMT
#14
On August 03 2010 06:34 XKiller wrote:
Nice but i still can do it so sad, I cant get the blink after the second mind beacon. Any tips?


It's important that you blink into the small area of non detection instantly, or you will lose your entire shield to the ultralisks. This will make it pretty much impossible to reach objective 3

Atleast that is how I did it. But it seems like my tactic was a bit different from the one OP uses.
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
August 02 2010 22:13 GMT
#15
On August 03 2010 05:02 Eredia wrote:[image loading]

How do you get the complete all objective achievement without getting the protoss research points from the obelisks? Is the mission just over so fast the objective never shows up?

There's a trick to the level before this one too but it's much easier to pull off and it's much more obvious.
My vanity is justified
SilverSocks
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands6 Posts
August 02 2010 22:18 GMT
#16
Sick 'achievement' sir!, going to try it
Eredia
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 22:45:53
August 02 2010 22:42 GMT
#17
On August 03 2010 07:13 tetracycloide wrote:
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On August 03 2010 05:02 Eredia wrote:[image loading]

How do you get the complete all objective achievement without getting the protoss research points from the obelisks? Is the mission just over so fast the objective never shows up?

There's a trick to the level before this one too but it's much easier to pull off and it's much more obvious.


I did it on another playthrough is the easy answer. I didn't unlock the secret mission on my first and decided to redo it all and take all the achievements at the same time.

Still, just sending your 2 collosi to the left and have a probe build a suicide pylon, and send in like 4 stalkers to the right together with zeratul and do the same isnt a problem. After that just continue your ninja journey solo with Zeratul.

Took me 6:xx minutes to do that on hard and achieve all objectives.
alcapowned
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada25 Posts
August 02 2010 22:53 GMT
#18
Damn well done, i didn't even think about that ^^. I did it the normal way, lol
Going to be a SC2 achievement whore
SBelmont
Profile Joined August 2008
United States122 Posts
August 02 2010 23:06 GMT
#19
On August 03 2010 06:51 Eredia wrote:
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On August 03 2010 06:34 XKiller wrote:
Nice but i still can do it so sad, I cant get the blink after the second mind beacon. Any tips?


It's important that you blink into the small area of non detection instantly, or you will lose your entire shield to the ultralisks. This will make it pretty much impossible to reach objective 3

Atleast that is how I did it. But it seems like my tactic was a bit different from the one OP uses.

I found a bit safer route from 2 to 3, and the sliver of non-detection that makes it possible.

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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
August 03 2010 19:24 GMT
#20
amazing!! do you have replay of this?
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
August 03 2010 19:32 GMT
#21
I'm currently going through getting all of my hard achievs when I'm tired of laddering, so this will be a definite help, tyvm!
Itsarabbit
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden58 Posts
August 03 2010 19:36 GMT
#22
Did the same, but maybe on a bit of a harder route.
took ike 15 saves, but was pretty easy.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 03 2010 20:47 GMT
#23
hahaha thats really fucking badass. you sir are a true ninja.
Barook
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany143 Posts
August 03 2010 20:50 GMT
#24
I did it on brutal after seeing a guide for it on YouTube.

If you do it on brutal, be careful. The last spot is blocked by an Ultralisk.

After a few failed tries, I send my Collossi there as an distraction. Worked like a charm.
"Blink is pretty good, it helps your Stalkers to die quicker."
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 03 2010 20:53 GMT
#25
now THAT is an achievement!
...from the land of imba
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 03 2010 23:31 GMT
#26
On August 03 2010 07:13 tetracycloide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 05:02 Eredia wrote:[image loading]

How do you get the complete all objective achievement without getting the protoss research points from the obelisks? Is the mission just over so fast the objective never shows up?

There's a trick to the level before this one too but it's much easier to pull off and it's much more obvious.


Can you elaborate on the other trick(assuming you mean A Sinister Turn). I'd assume it has something to do with the DT's and running them through non detection areas to solo the preserver cells, but I'm not at a place I can test right now and my curiosity is already high =p
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
August 04 2010 00:35 GMT
#27
I took the liberty [pun intended? you decide!] of going ahead and recording this



in 1080p goodness!
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Morayfire73
Profile Joined April 2010
United States298 Posts
August 04 2010 01:00 GMT
#28
On August 04 2010 08:31 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 07:13 tetracycloide wrote:
On August 03 2010 05:02 Eredia wrote:[image loading]

How do you get the complete all objective achievement without getting the protoss research points from the obelisks? Is the mission just over so fast the objective never shows up?

There's a trick to the level before this one too but it's much easier to pull off and it's much more obvious.


Can you elaborate on the other trick(assuming you mean A Sinister Turn). I'd assume it has something to do with the DT's and running them through non detection areas to solo the preserver cells, but I'm not at a place I can test right now and my curiosity is already high =p

I got the time achievement on this one by eight seconds on brutal by massing immortal, stalker, and the free guys, shouldn't be to bad on hard.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 04 2010 01:44 GMT
#29
On August 04 2010 10:00 Morayfire73 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 08:31 red_ wrote:
On August 03 2010 07:13 tetracycloide wrote:
On August 03 2010 05:02 Eredia wrote:[image loading]

How do you get the complete all objective achievement without getting the protoss research points from the obelisks? Is the mission just over so fast the objective never shows up?

There's a trick to the level before this one too but it's much easier to pull off and it's much more obvious.


Can you elaborate on the other trick(assuming you mean A Sinister Turn). I'd assume it has something to do with the DT's and running them through non detection areas to solo the preserver cells, but I'm not at a place I can test right now and my curiosity is already high =p

I got the time achievement on this one by eight seconds on brutal by massing immortal, stalker, and the free guys, shouldn't be to bad on hard.


Oh I didn't have a problem with that achievement, in fact my 'hard' time is like 12 minutes. He made it sound like there is a similar(read:ridiculously fast and kind of cheesy) way to beat that mission as well, like using the 2 free DT's so skip everything and kill the preservers. The only way I could think of this working(going off memory) would be suiciding one to get past the cannons at the front of that middle P base, but I'm not completely sure that both wouldn't die trying to do that.
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Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
August 05 2010 06:41 GMT
#30
Just used this to get my achiev, took me 4:44, and I wasn't trying for uber speed, just to survive. easy and fun to execute.
JunZ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States314 Posts
August 05 2010 16:43 GMT
#31
So we have to play the Zeratul missions to complete the 8 hour achievement?
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 05 2010 16:46 GMT
#32
On August 06 2010 01:43 JunZ wrote:
So we have to play the Zeratul missions to complete the 8 hour achievement?


Nope.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
August 05 2010 19:43 GMT
#33
On August 04 2010 10:44 red_ wrote:
Oh I didn't have a problem with that achievement, in fact my 'hard' time is like 12 minutes. He made it sound like there is a similar(read:ridiculously fast and kind of cheesy) way to beat that mission as well, like using the 2 free DT's so skip everything and kill the preservers. The only way I could think of this working(going off memory) would be suiciding one to get past the cannons at the front of that middle P base, but I'm not completely sure that both wouldn't die trying to do that.

No, just a normal DT rush. I built like 2 extras and ran them straight through. Finished at 11 mins or so. I'm sure with more thought and effort it could be faster.
My vanity is justified
Ghier
Profile Joined June 2010
99 Posts
August 07 2010 00:20 GMT
#34
I used this, thanks
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
August 07 2010 05:14 GMT
#35
I took your same route and didn't have to kill anything, but I died 15+ times trying to get from the 2nd tendril to the 3rd, there are 2 ultralisks and a number of spine crawlers, timing it so I didn't die was intense and frustrating.
What is a dickfour?
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 07 2010 05:47 GMT
#36
wow, no wonder, I couldn't even get past the time on Normal =O
Thanks a lot!
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blah604
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada36 Posts
August 07 2010 08:55 GMT
#37
wow nice.. got 1 for odin... not taking lower than 30% hp and the rest? like the first protoss item... that requiest hard to be done under 15
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 07 2010 13:12 GMT
#38
Thats awesome, thanks for the info!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
August 07 2010 13:18 GMT
#39
Haha that's pretty ninja, I'll have to try this soon.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
August 09 2010 03:06 GMT
#40
Getting from the 2nd to the 3rd is so frustrating.
Dead girls don't say no.
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 09 2010 03:40 GMT
#41
Heh, next thing you know we'll have some sort of Echoes of the Future speedrun contests
Aiyeeeee
ithree
Profile Joined January 2010
443 Posts
August 09 2010 05:22 GMT
#42
that was seriously badass, and odly easily repeatable, I was avoiding this mission because of the slog as well !

man thankz bro
grAyf0x
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal17 Posts
August 09 2010 14:37 GMT
#43
Did it in 4mins as well, thanks man
A rebel from the waist down.
JunZ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States314 Posts
August 09 2010 15:42 GMT
#44
I took 4:26 seconds ;(.
Fraud
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada108 Posts
August 10 2010 01:59 GMT
#45
4 minutes and 3 seconds! Thanks for the guide
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
August 10 2010 04:29 GMT
#46
Very nice strategy, I had a lot of trouble with this mission ^^;
EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
August 11 2010 01:39 GMT
#47
The problem I'm having right now is the computer decides to lag at the worsts times (every time I regain control, or move at some certain spots)

It shouldn't be a problem with my computer either...
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heretic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States7 Posts
August 11 2010 04:31 GMT
#48
Fucking awesome. Thanks so much man!

I did it in 5 minutes and I can barely beat ANY of these on Hard. This is only my second one I have beat on hard -- I do take into consideration i've only tried hard like 4 times and I get the Hard achievement before this one in the Prophecy Missions, where you gotta run around with stalkers.

Trying to get my Zeratul portrait.. One more mission to beat on hard and i'm done =) Now where is a quick and easy way to get A Sinister Turn done
BanP
Profile Joined August 2010
1 Post
August 12 2010 15:56 GMT
#49
My entry to the "Echoes of the Future Brutal Speed Run".
Used the SBelmont method.

Difficulty: Brutal
Time: 3:39

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iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
August 13 2010 14:44 GMT
#50
I tried following this guide and when I reached the fourth tendril I noticed that I had walked right past the first tendril at the start =(
Teeny
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria885 Posts
August 13 2010 15:06 GMT
#51
Great guide, saves alot of time! =)
Atha
Profile Joined August 2010
1 Post
August 14 2010 13:00 GMT
#52
Using a slightly different route I managed to get it down to 3:04 on brutal. Not very repeatable however.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 18 2010 00:44 GMT
#53
hahaha finished this on Brutal the regular way in 50 mins + a whole bunch of failed attempts. Wish I saw this sooner

Thanks for the achievement though ^^

3:56 on hard
monad
Profile Joined March 2010
United States156 Posts
August 18 2010 00:52 GMT
#54
On August 07 2010 17:55 blah604 wrote:
wow nice.. got 1 for odin... not taking lower than 30% hp and the rest? like the first protoss item... that requiest hard to be done under 15


This one is simple. Get banshees and vikings first and you can just mass them and wipe out the entire mission without odin's help.
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
August 18 2010 03:30 GMT
#55
On August 14 2010 22:00 Atha wrote:
Using a slightly different route I managed to get it down to 3:04 on brutal. Not very repeatable however.


Nice try, how about some details?
What is a dickfour?
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
August 18 2010 04:00 GMT
#56
On August 14 2010 22:00 Atha wrote:
Using a slightly different route I managed to get it down to 3:04 on brutal. Not very repeatable however.


woot! That was your first post. Anyways, screenshot?

You can still do it cause it should be listed under "best time" in the mission archives.
dfgdfgf
Profile Joined August 2010
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 17:18:42
August 22 2010 17:03 GMT
#57
Turns out that wasn't so difficult after all *g*
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
August 22 2010 18:00 GMT
#58
thanks for this, saved me a headache
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coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
August 22 2010 18:44 GMT
#59
3m36 on Hard! I think there is room for improvement, what are the numbers like on Brutal? More units to avoid?
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-22 18:48:59
August 22 2010 18:48 GMT
#60
yea, i noticed this and did it. not that fast but definitely realized that one can blink through all the "stages".. this is the prince of persia stage.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 22 2010 20:13 GMT
#61
Tried a few times to break 4 min mark - my best is 4:09. It was fun. Thanks for the walkthrough.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Gr33ned
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada22 Posts
August 23 2010 00:28 GMT
#62
haha thanks, awesome guide
beat in 5min :D
namrog84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2 Posts
August 24 2010 04:55 GMT
#63
I did this method, but modified it slightly.

I did the first 3 of 4. then held position at safe spot,
I used my 2 collosessus and cleared out to first gateway(to east of base) sent a probe, got the obelisk and some stalkers. then I moved up to north of base. got the obelisk there
I did this because I didnt want to return to mission for the research(on brutal and trying to get all the optional stuff where I can for that extra research/cash.

I beat it within 8 minutes. using the above AND getting the optional obelisks!
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teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
August 24 2010 05:09 GMT
#64
Damn, I really was stressed doing the speedrun for achievement and now you tell me I wasted 15 sweating minutes.
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PhrozenN
Profile Joined March 2010
Azerbaijan5 Posts
August 26 2010 14:53 GMT
#65
3:48 on brutal : D
ikarigendo
Profile Joined December 2009
United States99 Posts
August 28 2010 21:39 GMT
#66
Great work, thanks for the tip! That makes "hurry up it's raid night" a lot easier.
Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
August 28 2010 22:12 GMT
#67
I did is 1/2 and 1/2 on Brutal... I discovered you get healed after a tentacle and that made the other 2 tentacles really easy to grab.
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HueHang
Profile Joined August 2010
73 Posts
August 28 2010 23:42 GMT
#68
thanks, now I got that achievment :o
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 05:06:24
August 29 2010 05:04 GMT
#69
Completely baller. Thanks for this, this was the only achievement I was missing out of the Zeratul missions, and I just couldn't muster the willpower to attempt a conventional speed run (Where I try to take out everything). This technique made the spreed run much more bearable.
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 29 2010 08:14 GMT
#70
3:51 on hard! thanks a lot saved me a lot of time and effort!
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
August 31 2010 23:25 GMT
#71
did on brutal and used collosus going around other way to get ultralisk off the last pad
dim2thesum
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
September 02 2010 10:55 GMT
#72
nice i need to try this out.

catchy achievement name: overmind dead body
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shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
September 02 2010 23:21 GMT
#73
Damn I did this on brutal and I was like I hope it works.
Took about 10 saves then I made it. I think I spent about 20 min so THANKS MAN :D
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MadCobra
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany12 Posts
September 16 2010 17:16 GMT
#74
wow nice, thanks
woot woot
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
September 16 2010 22:08 GMT
#75
Wow thats awesome XD... I need to do that the next runthrough of the campaign :D
RIP eSTRO :(
BigAndrew5000
Profile Joined September 2010
United States17 Posts
September 19 2010 18:43 GMT
#76
I did it in 7:13 folowing here very clumsy, on hard. Thanks for the tips man! :D
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ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 22:22:25
November 28 2010 22:21 GMT
#77
Nice one.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
November 29 2010 17:00 GMT
#78
lol yeah that's how I did it too. I felt like such a badass when I was doing it, like I was giving Blizzard's level makers the finger.
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Wheats
Profile Joined October 2010
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 18:11:37
November 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#79
3:14 time.
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Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
November 29 2010 18:56 GMT
#80
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Profile Joined January 2012
Australia2 Posts
January 31 2012 00:46 GMT
#81
Nice job man awesome!!

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