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I waited 12 yrs for Xel'naga..

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ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
August 02 2010 04:02 GMT
#1
Being the lore geek, I remember reading the SC1 lore in the CD sleeve as a kid. I imagined what the super advanced race Xel'naga were like, the race omnipotent enough to create Zerg and Protoss from scratch.

I knew Blizz would revisit SC universe for sure and anticipated what Xel'naga would be like. They're not conventionally advanced like Protoss. Xel'naga created them.. they must be spiritual or exist in some crazy energy form of sort.

SC2 arrived.. we don't see Xel'naga at all. All we see is Protoss/Zerg hybrids. The only glimpse is the generic Protoss portrait representing Xel'naga as the Dark One.

What a disappointment.
Altar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States577 Posts
August 02 2010 04:07 GMT
#2
There's 2 other games btw
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 02 2010 04:10 GMT
#3
I didn`t expect them to jump that far in the very first campaign. There are 2 more campaigns to go, they need material for people to be excited for. Nevertheless, I`m super excited for the Xel`naga as well =)
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
August 02 2010 04:10 GMT
#4
Man, two separate threads complaining about SC2. Like Altar said, we still have 2 more games for the story to unfold. We have glimpses of things to come perhaps, what with Duran's pseudo-appearance and if he is working for the Xel'Naga or some other force remains to be seen. Give it time my friend, I'm sure we will see more of them in the future
tru_power22
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 04:12:59
August 02 2010 04:12 GMT
#5
Dude, I don't think blizzard wants us to know what the Xel'naga look like. They want to leave it up to the imagination. If they wanted us to know they would have shown us - besides they're extinct.

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ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
August 02 2010 04:13 GMT
#6
On August 02 2010 13:07 Altar wrote:
There's 2 other games btw


I have a feeling they'll disappoint me with their portrayal.... if they're just similar to Legion from War3, it'd be pissed off.

Remember, Xel'naga is NOT an evil race by ANY means. They created protoss and lived harmoniously with them through mentoring and teaching. It was Protoss that betrayed them and Xel'naga bounced.

Same with Zerg. Overmind went batshit crazy on them.
yeti
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 04:22:04
August 02 2010 04:21 GMT
#7
The other two games will feature the (P)Protoss & (Z)Zerg races. Since they are the ones who were "created" by the Xel'naga, it seems likely that the Xel'naga will be more involved in the sequels.
I cant imagine a (P)Protoss campaign without Zeratul seeking his creators to protect him from the
(Z)Zerg. Howfully, Blizz won't take that as a que to add a 4th race. Didnt work in WCIII, WONT work in SCIII
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2010 04:44 GMT
#8
On August 02 2010 13:13 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:07 Altar wrote:
There's 2 other games btw


I have a feeling they'll disappoint me with their portrayal.... if they're just similar to Legion from War3, it'd be pissed off.

Remember, Xel'naga is NOT an evil race by ANY means. They created protoss and lived harmoniously with them through mentoring and teaching. It was Protoss that betrayed them and Xel'naga bounced.

Same with Zerg. Overmind went batshit crazy on them.

Spoiler for the campaign:
+ Show Spoiler +

If you go back to the crystal after finishing the crystal missions, you can read the prophecy there. Note that it very distinctly distinguishes between "the Xel'naga" and "the Fallen One". There's no indication that the Xel'Naga as a whole are evil--just that "the Fallen One" (which is the dark being in that mission--and who is not even confirmed to *be* a Xel'naga) is.
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Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
August 02 2010 04:47 GMT
#9
Wait so the hybrids weren't Xel'naga? I thought that was the definition of the Xel'naga... Wow I guess not, since the Xel'naga made protoss and zerg. Did the Xel'naga create that hybrid then?
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
August 02 2010 05:00 GMT
#10
No the hybrids are just infested protoss, just like how infested humans are called infested terrans, just that infested protoss are called hybrids.

Im sure the xelnaga will be revealed in zeratuls quest for the prophecy or w/e journey he goes on to find out the elimination of the swarm. the protoss expansion will prob reveal it and the zerg will prob be the final stop against the terran/protoss/xelnagas
bnanaPEEL
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada138 Posts
August 02 2010 05:01 GMT
#11
Duran created the hybrids (as Zeratul found out in BW), and he's probably the Fallen One too. Probably.
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KebertXela
Profile Joined August 2010
United States322 Posts
August 02 2010 05:09 GMT
#12
Well, orignally Duran did create the hybrids, but SC2 makes no mention of him and hints that the Xelnaga made them. I hope he didn't get retconned, he was awesome.
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 02 2010 05:13 GMT
#13
Duran worked for a greater power that no one in the brood war had known (he tells you in Dark Origins mission). You could assume that he worked for the fallen one in creating the hybrids for him. Would be nice to know where he went off to though.
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
August 02 2010 05:36 GMT
#14
On August 02 2010 14:00 Leeoku wrote:
No the hybrids are just infested protoss, just like how infested humans are called infested terrans, just that infested protoss are called hybrids.

Im sure the xelnaga will be revealed in zeratuls quest for the prophecy or w/e journey he goes on to find out the elimination of the swarm. the protoss expansion will prob reveal it and the zerg will prob be the final stop against the terran/protoss/xelnagas


actually, there is a difference between being infested and spliced together. The hybrids aren't Protoss who were infested, they are genetically engineered with the DNA of both species.
charlesatan
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines75 Posts
August 02 2010 05:51 GMT
#15
On August 02 2010 14:13 Alventenie wrote:
Duran worked for a greater power that no one in the brood war had known (he tells you in Dark Origins mission). You could assume that he worked for the fallen one in creating the hybrids for him. Would be nice to know where he went off to though.


It has been speculated that Duran is


+ Show Spoiler +
Dr. Narud (spelled backwards)


Also, other contenders for The Fallen One include Ulrezaj. (He did form the Taldarim)
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 05:54:54
August 02 2010 05:54 GMT
#16
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ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
August 02 2010 05:55 GMT
#17
This is wrong. It's even mentioned directly in campaign.

Swann (or was it Horner?): "Hybrids? So they're like infested Zerg?"

Raynor: "No, different. They're assimilated together".

Infested- Simply corrupted up by Zerg
Hybrids- Xel'naga's attempt to create a perfect race. See here: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel'naga
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
August 02 2010 05:58 GMT
#18
the thing with the dark one is going to be SO like deathwing in the warcraft universe. one of the xel naga betrayed the xel naga and turned their creations against them 100%. blizzard formula ftw.
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hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 06:41:10
August 02 2010 06:34 GMT
#19
xel'naga didnt make protoss. They found them on aiur, and saw that they had great psyonic capabilities. They took them and gave them technology, and for that the protoss saw them as gods. The Xel'naga saw the protoss as having purity of form. Soon, the protoss broke out into civil war. They sought to destroy the xel naga, so they fled. They also didnt create the zerg. The zerg were a race of insects which mutated at a amazing rate. They took this and using their science, enhanced the zerg, and created the overmind, so that the type of "civil war" that happened with the protoss wouldn't happen with the zerg. They saw the zerg as having purity of essence.


quoting this:

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel'naga
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 02 2010 06:43 GMT
#20
If you finished the campaign, you might have seen a Xel'Naga. Don't know for sure yet, but I think it is the case:
+ Show Spoiler +
Kerrigan was not turned into a human. She became a Xel'Naga.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 02 2010 07:01 GMT
#21
On August 02 2010 15:43 spinesheath wrote:
If you finished the campaign, you might have seen a Xel'Naga. Don't know for sure yet, but I think it is the case:
+ Show Spoiler +
Kerrigan was not turned into a human. She became a Xel'Naga.

+ Show Spoiler +
huh, that would be interesting. Unfortunately I don't think that the artifact blast would have actually altered her racial identity.
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UnderWorld_Dream
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada219 Posts
August 02 2010 07:01 GMT
#22
On August 02 2010 14:58 heishe wrote:
the thing with the dark one is going to be SO like deathwing in the warcraft universe. one of the xel naga betrayed the xel naga and turned their creations against them 100%. blizzard formula ftw.


Something like this.
But I believe this Dark Voice I truly a god or a very powerful entity that is not a Xel'naga. I read that in real form it has tentacles?! and can possess minds and turn people crazy.

Obviously this is the powerful god Duran claims to be working for in BW: Dark Origin.

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Voice_in_the_Darkness_(entity)

So a sleeping (emprisonned) old god with tentacles and tremendous powers capable of controlling minds.

haha the lore guys at Blizzard really love Lovecraft.
marshmallow
Profile Joined May 2007
United States93 Posts
August 02 2010 09:32 GMT
#23
Once you start to use prophecies in your story you're running on empty.
DelphiDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany6 Posts
August 02 2010 09:33 GMT
#24
I played through the campaign in super-speed, so I might have missed something, but might this be possible?

+ Show Spoiler +
What if the Taldarim in fact are "good guys". Sure, they seem to be fanatics, but they always mention that they worship the xel naga and try to preserve their artifacts. I don´t think it´s unlikely that they know about the power of the artifacts.

I also think Raynor might have misinterpreted Zeratuls vision and words. I remember him stating that her fate would lie in Raynor´s hands, but perhaps not only killing Kerrigan was the event that will lead to the rise of power of the "Fallen one".

What if saving Kerrigan also causes this, since the zerg lose their single leader? So Raynor might have done the wrong thing (in the bigger picture) despite having the best intentions.

This also might be a startof point for "heart of the swarm". Raynor & Kerrigan might discover that Kerrigan is needed as the queen of blades, and Kerrigan might become the leader of the zerg again, literaly to save the universe. This also would fit in with Kerrigan being the central Person in HoS with her regaining her former powers.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 10:11:54
August 02 2010 10:11 GMT
#25
The Hybrids are the Xel'Naga (The new ones anyway) Thats why the Xel'naga create races, they experiment and create one with purity of form and another of purity of essence and over a very long time they know that they will eventually be drawn together and the hybrids become the new "Xel'naga"

Source:http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel%27naga
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4334 Posts
August 02 2010 10:43 GMT
#26
lol
being a lore geek then you'd know zerg gained the knowledge of protoss from killing off the xelnaga?
it is impossible for xel naga to be alive
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alsowikk
Profile Joined July 2010
109 Posts
August 02 2010 10:50 GMT
#27
It may just be me, but I think that if I remember correctly some one imbued the overmind with the purpose of destroying the protoss. About the hybrids though they were made by genetic splicing, but thats not how it should happen. The xel'naga would use crystals to change the two species...into xel naga.
spiff
Profile Joined October 2007
United States22 Posts
August 02 2010 11:08 GMT
#28
The new Hybrids are forced though it seems . Not slowly drawn together like the original Xel'Naga wanted.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 02 2010 11:59 GMT
#29
The hybrids are definitely not the xel naga. This hybrids were what you will say as man made, not of the natural cycle. The starcraft wikia is wrong too, some guy who didn't know the facts decided to just anyhow put things in to lead people to the wrong path. The Xel 'Naga didnt escape because the protoss wants to kill them, but rather because they were done with them and were going to look for the other half that would eventually reform into the Xel'Naga. That was the zerg.

The Xel'Naga are a bunch a bird lookong like creatures that have tentacles, which zeratul stated himself that it was uttterly beautiful
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Renseru
Profile Joined July 2010
United States45 Posts
August 02 2010 12:30 GMT
#30
I can't believe so many people are citing wikipedia as a source...
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It seemed to me that Dr. Narud and the Terran were responsible for hybrids. Duran had done some work on them in BW, it would only make sense that he continue and received Mengks's help. Play the secret level and you might agree with me. Also, we don't know how much of Zeratul's missions were in the future. Obviously the last one was, and possible where he ran into the dark one. So i'm pretty sure that the Terran are causing an imbalance.

What if saving Kerrigan also causes this, since the zerg lose their single leader? So Raynor might have done the wrong thing (in the bigger picture) despite having the best intentions.

Someone high up wanted Kerrigan dead... That was dude in the blue suit's(forgot his name) mission the whole time.

Kerrigan was not turned into a human. She became a Xel'Naga.

I think this is a valid point, but I'm not sure I agree. I do though wonder wtf was up with her hair.


Hmm, well I guess we will find out the facts in 18-16 months from now.
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3978 Posts
August 02 2010 14:12 GMT
#31
I distinctly remember reading 'the zerg turned on their creators'....somewhere. Like in the SC1 manual. And the Xel'Naga escaped with a few of their ships.

And I thought they made the protoss too, so that article had me surprised. We certain it's correct?
Looks kinda like there is a Fallen Xel'Naga (either Duran or his boss) who is making all these hybrids across various worlds. But will the Xel'Naga make their own hybrids as well? After all, they were looking for the unification of form and essence.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
August 02 2010 14:18 GMT
#32
I don't like the hybrids, they look like something from warcraft or diablo. Less demonic monsters and more sci-fi!
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 14:34:33
August 02 2010 14:32 GMT
#33
On August 02 2010 16:01 UnderWorld_Dream wrote:
haha the lore guys at Blizzard really love Lovecraft.

The entity -> Azathoth

Duran ( servant ) -> Nyarlathotep :p ( they are both black ! 100% proof )
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
August 02 2010 14:41 GMT
#34
Well, when you think about it, if the Zerg had turned upon and eaten the Xel'Naga, wouldn't they have 'infested' them, and mutated along their lines.

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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
August 02 2010 14:44 GMT
#35
All I want to know,

+ Show Spoiler +
whats with kerrigans tentacle hair after she is supposedly turned back to human? that shit is messed up
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KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 15:01:40
August 02 2010 15:00 GMT
#36
On August 02 2010 23:44 Darpa wrote:
All I want to know,

+ Show Spoiler +
whats with kerrigans tentacle hair after she is supposedly turned back to human? that shit is messed up


+ Show Spoiler +
What I thought is that she hadn't been turned back to human after the final mission yet, she had just been stripped of power like every single zerg being in that area of char (or on the planet itself) - but was still a zerg entity. Afterwards, raynor took her to the artifact and made her back into a human. The artifact blast wouldn't have been the thing to do it, considering that you'd used the artifact multiple times in the course of the mission for a totally different reason. I figure that raynor would have to actually take kerrigan TO the artifact and then touch it or they both touch it or something like that, then she would become human again. We'll see in the next set of campaigns though.


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sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
August 02 2010 15:06 GMT
#37
My thoughts: + Show Spoiler +
Narud is Duran, working to create hybrids the same way as in BW. He is much closer now, and has convinced mengsk to fund his studies. The Xel'Naga are not evil - they are returning to help. It was known that the Xel'Naga were fleeing some force more powerful than even they were - I surmise that is the dark one. It would also be what corrupted the zerg and caused the overmind to attack and destroy much of hte Xel'Naga fleet.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 02 2010 16:41 GMT
#38
Personally, I waited 12 years for updated graphics on multiplayer. The single player just happens to be surprisingly good gravy.
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
August 02 2010 16:55 GMT
#39
changed your title name. please be more careful when you name your threads next time as to avoid spoilers, thanks.
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Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
August 02 2010 18:12 GMT
#40
On August 02 2010 13:02 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Being the lore geek, I remember reading the SC1 lore in the CD sleeve as a kid. I imagined what the super advanced race Xel'naga were like, the race omnipotent enough to create Zerg and Protoss from scratch.

I knew Blizz would revisit SC universe for sure and anticipated what Xel'naga would be like. They're not conventionally advanced like Protoss. Xel'naga created them.. they must be spiritual or exist in some crazy energy form of sort.

SC2 arrived.. we don't see Xel'naga at all. All we see is Protoss/Zerg hybrids. The only glimpse is the generic Protoss portrait representing Xel'naga as the Dark One.

What a disappointment.



have you considert that the hybrids can be actually the Xel Naga?

koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 18:36:14
August 02 2010 18:34 GMT
#41
IIRC, part of the prophecy is that the "cycle of the gods" comes to a close. So, the hybrids aren't really Xel'Naga.

Wings of Liberty just seems to set up the story. It told much more story than the Terran campaign of SC1 or BW, so it's fine by comparison.
UnderWorld_Dream
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada219 Posts
August 02 2010 18:35 GMT
#42
On August 02 2010 23:32 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 16:01 UnderWorld_Dream wrote:
haha the lore guys at Blizzard really love Lovecraft.

The entity -> Azathoth

Duran ( servant ) -> Nyarlathotep :p ( they are both black ! 100% proof )


hahaha exactly what i've been thinking!!

That's allright tho, since Nyarlathotep is probably the best vilain ever created.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 02 2010 18:46 GMT
#43
On August 03 2010 03:12 Knap4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 13:02 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Being the lore geek, I remember reading the SC1 lore in the CD sleeve as a kid. I imagined what the super advanced race Xel'naga were like, the race omnipotent enough to create Zerg and Protoss from scratch.

I knew Blizz would revisit SC universe for sure and anticipated what Xel'naga would be like. They're not conventionally advanced like Protoss. Xel'naga created them.. they must be spiritual or exist in some crazy energy form of sort.

SC2 arrived.. we don't see Xel'naga at all. All we see is Protoss/Zerg hybrids. The only glimpse is the generic Protoss portrait representing Xel'naga as the Dark One.

What a disappointment.



have you considert that the hybrids can be actually the Xel Naga?



Lol? So the Xel Naga are Protoss/Zerg hybrids? Which came first, the Xel Naga or the Protoss/Zerg? Obviously the answer is the egg. :|
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 02 2010 19:34 GMT
#44
I read part 3 of the Dark Templar Saga. The book was officially sanctioned by Blizzard so the lore should be correct barring retcons.

Basically, the Xel'Naga are long lived but not immortal. They can't reproduce, either. When they near the end of their lives, they look for two races. They give one purity of form and another purity of essence. Eventually, these two races evolve and then sort of combine. That's how a new generation of Xel'Naga come into being. The protoss and zerg were meant to evolve together to become the new Xel'Naga.

The hybrids are a forced attempt at creating a zerg-protoss hybrid before they've evolved enough to be ready to become Xel'Naga. Their called a perversion of that natural cycle.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 19:46:28
August 02 2010 19:42 GMT
#45
On August 03 2010 03:46 MangoTango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2010 03:12 Knap4life wrote:
On August 02 2010 13:02 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Being the lore geek, I remember reading the SC1 lore in the CD sleeve as a kid. I imagined what the super advanced race Xel'naga were like, the race omnipotent enough to create Zerg and Protoss from scratch.

I knew Blizz would revisit SC universe for sure and anticipated what Xel'naga would be like. They're not conventionally advanced like Protoss. Xel'naga created them.. they must be spiritual or exist in some crazy energy form of sort.

SC2 arrived.. we don't see Xel'naga at all. All we see is Protoss/Zerg hybrids. The only glimpse is the generic Protoss portrait representing Xel'naga as the Dark One.

What a disappointment.



have you considert that the hybrids can be actually the Xel Naga?



Lol? So the Xel Naga are Protoss/Zerg hybrids? Which came first, the Xel Naga or the Protoss/Zerg? Obviously the answer is the egg. :|

xel naga are separate, they created the protoss and zerg as we know them now not the other way around as far as i remember they is no reason given for making the races rather then just for the hell of it.
luckySe7en
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
148 Posts
August 02 2010 19:45 GMT
#46
On August 02 2010 13:02 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Being the lore geek, I remember reading the SC1 lore in the CD sleeve as a kid. I imagined what the super advanced race Xel'naga were like, the race omnipotent enough to create Zerg and Protoss from scratch.

I knew Blizz would revisit SC universe for sure and anticipated what Xel'naga would be like. They're not conventionally advanced like Protoss. Xel'naga created them.. they must be spiritual or exist in some crazy energy form of sort.

SC2 arrived.. we don't see Xel'naga at all. All we see is Protoss/Zerg hybrids. The only glimpse is the generic Protoss portrait representing Xel'naga as the Dark One.

What a disappointment.


there is definitely hinting that xel naga will come back in one of the expansions. blizzard wouldn't want to play all their trump cards in the first of the trilogy and have nothing left for the rest.
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