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When I play terran it isn't a challenge for me. I can beat the insane ai without any problem "straight up" by which I mean not proxying, or exploiting it in some way. I'm definitely better at terran than other races, but I have been random plat into the 500 pt range in beta, and as solely zerg.
But I just failed 3 times in a row to beat the terran insane AI as zerg. Without fail, it will push my shit in. I was playing on that 1v1 Jungle map that isn't in the ladder rotation (probably because it's fucking terrible)
It opens with a marine/marauder push, if I went 1 base roach, I would lose. if I went for an early expand, I would lose even faster. if I went 16 hatch into 2 queen mass speedling I would beat the first push, but then the next one comes when I try to drone and tech to roaches
I'm kind of ashamed to admit that despite being a mid plat zerg player I can't beat the terran AI
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So what you're saying is that Terran always wins? Surprising...
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i beat it by fast expanding, just massing speedlings for its first push and fighting on creep, if it goes for a second timing push without tanks (the fast one) you will need banelings. if you beat that its smooth sailing from there.
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1v1 is easy to allin rush them.
I just go zerg and 7 pool then bring drones then abuse ai and win.
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On August 02 2010 01:39 Repok wrote:
1v1 is easy to allin rush them.
I just go zerg and 7 pool then bring drones then abuse ai and win.
or 6 pool and you won't even need to bring drones.
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Played one game really fast to see how hard it was since I was like wtf sure terran sucks but its a comp, this here shows you just how easy it was =)
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Enjoy!
Next time vs 2 maybe =)
Edit: Is an all in 2 base speedling build that beats anything really 
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On August 02 2010 01:39 Repok wrote:
1v1 is easy to allin rush them.
I just go zerg and 7 pool then bring drones then abuse ai and win.
Yeah but I'm specifically saying if you don't do that sort of thing, can your production match his marine + marauder?
The AI doesn't really deviate between races, it's given extra resources and it rushes you with tier1/1.5 units, but the terran one is so much stronger than the other two.
On August 02 2010 02:02 Yttrasil wrote:Played one game really fast to see how hard it was since I was like wtf sure terran sucks but its a comp, this here shows you just how easy it was =) [url blocked] Enjoy! Next time vs 2 maybe =) Edit: Is an all in 2 base speedling build that beats anything really
Did you a move into his base after you beat the first rush? Again, that's not particularly hard either I noted I could do that, it's when I try to keep up production with his it becomes a challenge
Although if you 1v2 insane terrans I would probably be impressed. I did that achieve as tvz and it was no harder than a single zerg insane comp
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Yes I did, the whole point of that strat, you have alot of units after his push fails. Trying generally I'm to lazy to do now =)
Just tried vs 2, failed big time... think it can work though if ur lucky and add 2 spine crawlers or so.
Edit: It speaks for itself that a 1 base roach would loose no matter what vs such an opponent... so figured this was less stupid
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That's cuz insane AI is a baller and gets more money than you and spends it. DUH.
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well if u already know what strat they're going to use u can adapt. maybe make a shit load of spine crawler + whore drone + expand
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I did the achievement to beat the insane AI in under 5 minutes Z v T with T being the AI. 6 pooled him, computer died immediately.
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ive not really had any problems with it as zerg, i just fast expand (14 pool 16 hatch) get a gas on 15 and then get zergling speed. i only get 1 queen and use the minerals i would have used on another queen to get a roach warren and just pump drones/lings until its finished. then i just move the lings away from my base (to get a good flank) and then pump roaches. after i hold off the first attack i tech to lair and pump drones then hydras. after that just expand around 60 - 70 and your fine. As long as you keep the ai from expanding its pretty easy
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6pool on the lava-map they had in beta which sucked ballz
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You know their strat and you still cant beat it? THEN my friend, u shud play alot more starcraft!
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I can't beat the insane AI PvP, No matter what I do.
And I have yet to encounter the AI using the same strat more than once, it's always different (one time I even got owned by Hallucination during the first push!).
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1v1 seems doable, but 2v2 or 3v3 is simply impossible without shared bases, siege tanks, and cannons.
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As a protoss :
10pylone
10forge
10 cannon rush (you can drone up before the 1st cannon)
When the ia is in medium you can build the pylone where you want. Vs insane you can't be very close or we will put out drones (and do nothing else so you can win anyways but it's harder)
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1v1 is decently challenging without cheese.
If you are doing the 1v2 Achievement straight up though, it's probably impossible if both AI's are Terran. Even if you are Terran yourself you will eventually run out of resources due to turtling while they take the whole map and your tanks will slowly die.
Even with the other matchups straight up, the 1v2 Insane is probably impossible unless you are Terran yourself against non-Terran AI's.
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On August 19 2010 03:52 rAize- wrote:
You know their strat and you still cant beat it? THEN my friend, u shud play alot more starcraft!
Insane A.I. gets 7 minerals(42 on mule) and 6 gas per delivery, thus the A.I. can build everything faster.
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its called insane for a reason.
do not feel bad for not being able to beat it, that at least should be said.
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Do people not even read the OP? He say WITHOUT CHEESING them. Anyone can win 1v1,1v2 or even 1v3 insane AI with cheesing. I also find that the Insane Terran AI is much better compared to the other 2. He even went fast battlecruisers on me 
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I find Protoss is the hardest (even though I always win against Insane, but Protoss takes longest), especially if they use warp prisms a lot (which insane always seems to do), and hides a bunch of islands, without taking their natural. Massing immortals is also pretty hard to go standard marauders or tanks.
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I haven't beat an insane computer zvp without cheesing yet. Someone enlighten me on how to do it.
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During beta I played the Insane AI, I lost like 10 times in a row ^^;
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protoss 4 gate all in works vs insane toss - zerg just makes too many roaches and marauder with concussive shell makes it difficult.
Computers get 7 minerals per trip - very hard to win early game...
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On August 02 2010 00:41 floor exercise wrote:
I was playing on that 1v1 Jungle map that isn't in the ladder rotation (probably because it's fucking terrible)
I lold.
Anyway, I think it doesn't really matter if you can beat insane because like, don't they play with higher income than us? We're playing to their advantage. I'm plat too, but I can't beat insane, haven't really tried tho
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I did not know insane AI got extra resources! No wonder they always have like 5 collosus in like minutes...
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I guess it depends what your "cheesing" threshold is, but if you play on the island map and just cannon up as protoss, you can always beat the insane AI because they will eventually psi-lock themselves with only ground units.
Probably hardest vs zerg who has infinite transports.
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i can beat insane ai as all three races. it's not that hard you just have to be careful and not do stupid shit. i am high plat btw.
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If you cheese/abuse the AI to win, your kinda missing the point
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On August 19 2010 12:59 T.O.P. wrote:
I haven't beat an insane computer zvp without cheesing yet. Someone enlighten me on how to do it.
I played against insane AI ZvP on SoW trying to get the 'It's Morphing Time' achievement (the one where you have to morph a lair in the first 285 seconds of the game).
After getting the achievement I decided to try and win by going fast muta. It worked! the toss AI went for a zealot + immortal attack, but my lings + spine crawlers barely held them off until my mutas popped, from there I won.
So basically it was super-fast 1 base muta, I didn't even make a queen until after I had lair.
It is kind of a cheese build but not as bad as 6pool IMO.
On August 20 2010 00:36 Snowfield wrote:
If you cheese/abuse the AI to win, your kinda missing the point
I think you're the one missing the point, most people only abuse the AI to get achievements as quickly as possible.
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It's interesting to note that the AI has a definite but delayed tech to counter your own tech changes. I discovered this while trying to mass battlecruisers (I suppose this would fall under the "cheesing" category then...)
First game with mass BCs, insane AI countered hard with mass corrupters. Second game, I still went mass BCs, but used some ground units sparingly at first. This time, AI built up mutalisk and other ground forces, and only managed to switch to mass corrupters after some elapsed time.
Maybe "faking" a certain tech path, but then switching to its hard counter can be helpful? All this, of course, assume you have survived the ridiculous T1/1.5 push that the AI makes early on.
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On August 19 2010 07:34 Sevenofnines wrote:
1v1 is decently challenging without cheese.
If you are doing the 1v2 Achievement straight up though, it's probably impossible if both AI's are Terran. Even if you are Terran yourself you will eventually run out of resources due to turtling while they take the whole map and your tanks will slowly die.
Even with the other matchups straight up, the 1v2 Insane is probably impossible unless you are Terran yourself against non-Terran AI's.
umm no. It's definitely possible to beat 1v2 insane AI... I did it legitly without rush, and without being terran. And I'm sure a lot of others can do it on here too. lol its starcraft, not rocket science.
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Did you do it on novice maps?
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I think its decently challenging if you dont abuse the AI. Although there are grey areas (ie it goes similar/same style every time, so taking advantage of that knowledge could be cheesy?). Once you figure it out though, its straightforward. But you can always put handicaps on yourself to make it more challenging. Not necessarily good habits to form, but ok for practicing certain things like macro or general multitasking etc.
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On August 20 2010 02:05 Horrde wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2010 07:34 Sevenofnines wrote:
1v1 is decently challenging without cheese.
If you are doing the 1v2 Achievement straight up though, it's probably impossible if both AI's are Terran. Even if you are Terran yourself you will eventually run out of resources due to turtling while they take the whole map and your tanks will slowly die.
Even with the other matchups straight up, the 1v2 Insane is probably impossible unless you are Terran yourself against non-Terran AI's. umm no. It's definitely possible to beat 1v2 insane AI... I did it legitly without rush, and without being terran. And I'm sure a lot of others can do it on here too. lol its starcraft, not rocket science.
I'd love to see you post a replay of this. Also, have you tried this after the newest patch?
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I beated the insane AI in pvz at the first try, but I can't win in pvt in a straight up game.
i'm diamond 700 pt.
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So I got home from work and decided to do it again. I did it the first time in a previous patch a while ago. Choose a map that's fitting and just get er done really. Tell me if this doesnt work, I never upload stuff.
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b2ha516/n/1v2_insane_AI_for_TL.SC2Replay
Edit: its vs 1p and 1z just for variation. My last time there was at least 1 terran in it I remember, and I did it another way, but no cheese and no rush. I think I could of taken 1v3 as well, and if they harassed, well that just would of taken a bit longer with defenses, that's all.
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On August 20 2010 05:28 Horrde wrote:So I got home from work and decided to do it again. I did it the first time in a previous patch a while ago. Choose a map that's fitting and just get er done really. Tell me if this doesnt work, I never upload stuff. http://www.filefactory.com/file/b2ha516/n/1v2_insane_AI_for_TL.SC2Replay Edit: its vs 1p and 1z just for variation. My last time there was at least 1 terran in it I remember, and I did it another way, but no cheese and no rush. I think I could of taken 1v3 as well, and if they harassed, well that just would of taken a bit longer with defenses, that's all.
I stand corrected on the 1st part. Although getting 4 bases the instant you wall off does make it pretty easy.
I'd love to see a replay of Zerg vs. 2 Insane Terrans on Lost Temple/Meta if anyone has it.
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Just beat 2 terran insane AIs using somewhat same strategy, just more polished and needed voidrays before carriers or else terran would roll me a bit too early. Haven't tried as zerg, I think that would be super tough, and applaud anyone who could do it.
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Play a pvt vs insane AI and just probe harass him to death. That's all it takes, along with maybe a voiray or whatever 
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I 15 hatch everytime against the AI, I use 3 spine crawlers (hey I'm BW player ok?), and mass speedlings on creep. Then tech to hydralisks. As mass hydralisk is decent considering they don't get a LOT of helions or tanks.
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Like the campaign, the difficulty difference between the highest two levels is just too much for me.
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Insane can be beaten easily with early cheese, like 6-8 pool, 8-10rax reapers, cannons or proxy gates.
But I have not yet been able to beat it in a straight up fight.
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It's useless to fight against insane IA because the IA is cheating that just destroy normal timing and provide a wrong trainning.
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On August 27 2010 16:46 Erectum wrote:
It's useless to fight against insane IA because the IA is cheating that just destroy normal timing and provide a wrong trainning.
It's AI...
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Ive beaten the comp the only time ive tried straight up by mass lings vs another zerg. its a good micro exercise, cause if they get afew roaches then you are in trouble. But if you keep pulling and killing 1-2 roaches at a time, eventually you can run them over.
its hard tho. but im sure its not too bad. When it gets like 2-3 comps vs 1, thats when its really hard, since they mass up so quick
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I find void rays ezpz vs Insane Zerg, especially if it's close air positions. 1 gate stargate, cannon up with a sentry.
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On August 27 2010 17:10 TriniMasta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 16:46 Erectum wrote:
It's useless to fight against insane IA because the IA is cheating that just destroy normal timing and provide a wrong trainning. It's AI...
Lost in translation
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If I don't cheese I find Insane AI terrible hard to defeat. On small maps I have no chance most of the games :/
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If I Lose a game I usually watch the rep. That said ...I noticed the AI has a production discount. I think 4 weeks ago this bonus was they could produce a rax for 50 instead of 150. In ZvT if u can buy enough time to get burrowed roaches works decent if you don't want to outright cheese them.
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A couple tips to people struggling:
1. It's not that easy to beat the AI at a macro game when he has way more resources than you do and his stuff is cheaper. You need to beat him in the micro game, or employ tricky tactics.
2. For whatever reason (perhaps it's unnecessary) the AI doesn't generally fully saturate his minerals. If you pump workers hard enough, you can begin to close the resource gap.
3. Use your defenders advantage. The one thing the AI always does is attack you. Exploit the fact that a real human that saw your 15 cannons + sentries/ 5 queens with transfuse + 10 spine crawlers/5 siege tanks + 5 bunkers would back off and find a better way. The AI will not.
4. Harass. The AI may have an army larger than yours, but it tends to clump it into a single ball. Attacking multiple points at once and retreating as necessary, repeat, will ensure your victory.
5. Their compositions tend to be a little of everything. Pick a nice solid build that can adequately deal with everything. Don't expect them to just pick one tech. In general, AE units are pretty crucial, as they will usually outnumber you.
Hope that helps.
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My terran 6pool.
gather 300 hundred minerals
build 2 barracks to block his ramp another annoying spot.
build 1 supply depot
build 1 scv
build 2 marines.
attack with 2 marines + 2 scv autorepair rush and pump marines.
You overwhelm pretty much anything...
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