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Harris1st
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FlaShFTW
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BeaTeR
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FlaShFTW
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In case anyone wants to do a UCL fantasy league. | ||
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WombaT
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WombaT
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Jockmcplop
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28673 Posts
27-2 shots 10-1 on target 0-1 score also wowww that musiala touch after 94:30 | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10166 Posts
I will say I think we were very fortunate that Konate didn't get sent off early for a DOGSO, I thought that challenge there was 50/50 on whether it was a red card or not. | ||
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Bacillus
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
Lyon have claimed that the severity of the ban is because of the death threats a referee received last week after Marseilles' president claimed there was a conspiracy against them, not because of the actual offence. It is possible, though unconfirmed, that Fonseca made contact to the ref's head with a headbutt motion. The Ligue 1 side have said they are concerned by the severity of the sanction imposed on Fonseca, and described his behaviour as an emotional reaction without intent to harm the referee. “In light of a sanction that seems to have been dictated by the negative context affecting French refereeing, [Lyon] announce it is studying all possible avenues of appeal,” the statement added. The French referees’ union said last week its members would exercise their right to resign if they or their families were in danger. That came after a match official faced an alleged “outpouring of hatred” following comments made by the Marseille president, Pablo Longoria. The LFP handed Longoria a 15-match ban for his comments. Guardian article I'm seriously concerned about the general behaviour towards and discourse around refereeing in professional football at present. It feels like it's only a matter of time until someone commits violence against a ref in a top level match. Refereeing is a difficult job and this behaviour is absolutely out of line. As someone who quit refereeing amateur sport due to threats of violence, I am happy to see Ligue 1 throw the book at Fonseca here. This shit has to stop or referees will start to quit. If people aren't happy with the standard of refereeing now, wait until all the current top guys quit and there is noone suitable to replace them. I was happy to see Arne Slot get banned as well, despite being a Liverpool supporter, he absolutely deserved it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25435 Posts
Got a bit lucky with that ref’s call, Kvaradona’s great finish happening to be a time he was fractionally offside, and the rest of the time they weren’t, either players fluffed their lines or Alisson pulled out the stop. But they did come away with the W, or ‘pulled a Real’ I suppose. Gotta say though this PSG look pretty good on their day. One can’t help but wonder if they’d pursued this model earlier of grabbing a load of younger, hungry talent, as well as leaning on Paris being one of the talent development hotspots in world football, that they’d maybe be in a better spot these days. Of other ties I saw, man Athletico wtf? They really had Real struggling at times and went defensive and ceded all momentum. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25435 Posts
On March 06 2025 16:43 DropBear wrote: Lyon's manager Paulo Fonseca has been banned for 9 months for aggressively confronting the referee while he was attempting to view the pitchside monitor for a VAR check. Lyon have claimed that the severity of the ban is because of the death threats a referee received last week after Marseilles' president claimed there was a conspiracy against them, not because of the actual offence. It is possible, though unconfirmed, that Fonseca made contact to the ref's head with a headbutt motion. Guardian article I'm seriously concerned about the general behaviour towards and discourse around refereeing in professional football at present. It feels like it's only a matter of time until someone commits violence against a ref in a top level match. Refereeing is a difficult job and this behaviour is absolutely out of line. As someone who quit refereeing amateur sport due to threats of violence, I am happy to see Ligue 1 throw the book at Fonseca here. This shit has to stop or referees will start to quit. If people aren't happy with the standard of refereeing now, wait until all the current top guys quit and there is noone suitable to replace them. I was happy to see Arne Slot get banned as well, despite being a Liverpool supporter, he absolutely deserved it. I only feel for Fonseca in that he seems to be a sacrificial lamb for the collective of for many. I agree entirely, who’d be a referee if you’re getting dog’s abuse at every level of the game? I know from a report I read that there’s already starting to be a shortage of grass roots referees in England/the UK I feel like the anti-refereeing culture in football is a lot like toxicity in gaming at this point. We’d be far better off without it, but it’s so ingrained, accepted, how the fudge do you stamp it out? Why is football so much worse for this than almost any other sport I watch? So much worse. God I hate to give rugby credit because rugby fans over here often love to extol its supposed superior moral fibre, but the difference is night and day in how referees are treated. Not just by players, but it’s far less the focus of fans as well. Or if there is big controversy over a mistake, fans will complain about a mistake. Not delve into conspiracy theories about x ref hating their club/nation or whatever. I fear even if you go zero tolerance at the level of the professional game, you may just stamp out top professionals behaving this way. Will that stop the fan culture around it? Or will it stop grass roots players doing it. It’s been allowed to fester for way too long, summat needs done but it’ll be a hard fix for sure. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25435 Posts
On March 06 2025 21:08 Harris1st wrote: I think refs are still way too lenient when someone invades their personal space. And even just booking players from time to time isn't cutting it. Need to send them of for the game. Period That’s a good start. Also actually enforce the ‘only captains can talk to the ref’ initiative,’which I also think is a solid idea. But I think there’s limitations here too. Will it stop all the fan fanaticism, conspiracy theories and bile, or people being pricks to amateur refs at a grassroots level? Maybe, but I think you’re talking at best medium term, probably long term to bring about that kinda cultural shift. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On March 06 2025 21:26 WombaT wrote: That’s a good start. Also actually enforce the ‘only captains can talk to the ref’ initiative,’which I also think is a solid idea. But I think there’s limitations here too. Will it stop all the fan fanaticism, conspiracy theories and bile, or people being pricks to amateur refs at a grassroots level? Maybe, but I think you’re talking at best medium term, probably long term to bring about that kinda cultural shift. Well you gotta start somewhere I guess. And doing it the professional scene will hopefully inspire the grassroot leagues. I think the problem you mentioned goes even deeper by now. Just look at what happens in youth/ childrens league games. Parents verbally attacking refs on a daily basis. Leading by that example obviously their younglings think that's an okay thing to do then... | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9653 Posts
Disrespect is kinda fundamental in football. Its what makes the fan experience so brilliant at its best, it just sucks for the players and refs at its worst. Best we can do is kinda force everyone to respect the refs enough to be getting along with, or at least pretend to. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25435 Posts
Bringing it back to say StarCraft, I’m here for a bit of trash talk, a bit of tongue-in-cheek balance whine. It can add some spice, some friction. If everyone just behaved like, idk Avilo or something all the time, where it’s very earnest, very entitled and delusional whine, then nah that kinda sucks. It’s fucking constant and it genuinely fucking sucks. I escape the worst of it this country, being a hipster (actually just never having Sky Sports) and supporting Inter for 20 years. On the odd occasion we do make it far in Europe and draw an English side, it’s good craic, least with my associates. Shit will be talked during a match, there’ll be a ‘fair play youse has us tonight’ or perhaps a ‘youse got lucky, youse won’t next time’, sometimes a ‘fuck well you knocked us out you better beat our [insert hated rivals] next time out!’ If I’m grabbing a match and a beer with a mate and it’s 2 hours of moaning about the ref after, fuck that. Boring. You can be passionate without being partisan, but partisanship is a huge part of the emotional pull. But you can still be partisan while being a good sport too. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9653 Posts
On March 07 2025 01:10 WombaT wrote: There’s disrespect as pantomime, banter, or even earnestly in the heat of the moment and there’s whatever this is. Bringing it back to say StarCraft, I’m here for a bit of trash talk, a bit of tongue-in-cheek balance whine. It can add some spice, some friction. If everyone just behaved like, idk Avilo or something all the time, where it’s very earnest, very entitled and delusional whine, then nah that kinda sucks. It’s fucking constant and it genuinely fucking sucks. I escape the worst of it this country, being a hipster (actually just never having Sky Sports) and supporting Inter for 20 years. On the odd occasion we do make it far in Europe and draw an English side, it’s good craic, least with my associates. Shit will be talked during a match, there’ll be a ‘fair play youse has us tonight’ or perhaps a ‘youse got lucky, youse won’t next time’, sometimes a ‘fuck well you knocked us out you better beat our [insert hated rivals] next time out!’ If I’m grabbing a match and a beer with a mate and it’s 2 hours of moaning about the ref after, fuck that. Boring. You can be passionate without being partisan, but partisanship is a huge part of the emotional pull. But you can still be partisan while being a good sport too. People moaning about refs bores the hell out of me too, i just don't see a way to stop it from happening. Then again, when Forest were at the bottom of the table and everything was going against us I had a good moan about the refs too. I guess sometimes it matters more. | ||
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