EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 120
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
On June 20 2024 03:01 Mafe wrote: Much better second half, but yeah, now I agree Neuer didnt look comfortable. Nevertheless, I stand by the fact that he isnt our biggest issue. For example, I consider it much more likely that Sane is going to get us eliminated in the knockout stages. He already got himself sent off not too recently against austria iirc, and his body language has been not good at all. Definitely. Sane should not be the first sub every game. Literally everyone else in our lineup is better and more energetic right now. Hell I wanna see some Maxi Beier! Gundogan finding his groove. Really glad to see. Neuer ... meh. So wonky. I'm biting my nails everytime someone comes close to our goal expecting Neuer to fail miserably. Ter Stegen please! Also Havertz... wouldn't mind someone else for the starting 11. He wasn't bad per se, but he wasn't good either. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
Gives you a (likely) straight shoot out, must-win game against Hungary who haven’t looked great, and 4 points should see them make it through. It may seem a bit counter-intuitive but I think in terms of mentality and momentum it’s close to ideal (obviously ideal is being a better team than Scotland). Get the shit match out of the way, get humiliated to such a degree there’s almost an inevitable bounce back for pride’s sake, and your destiny is largely in your hands for the last match against a team that isn’t exactly pulling up trees. Also for those unaware I think it’s 12/13 times Scotland haven’t made it out of the groups for a main tournament, so that would be pretty huge. I’d put it out there that Scotland may be the most underperforming side in world football all told. Less so now but in the 70s and 80s they had really top, top players. Even Northern Ireland have got out of a tournament group stage ffs! As an aside It’s somewhat soul-destroying to at least think I know quite a bit at football and be so perpetually, perpetually bad at fantasy leagues, don’t know how some of you do it haha. I had a friend in the Prem one who literally doesn’t follow football at all beat me handily last year | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On June 20 2024 16:42 Harris1st wrote: Definitely. Sane should not be the first sub every game. Literally everyone else in our lineup is better and more energetic right now. Hell I wanna see some Maxi Beier! Gundogan finding his groove. Really glad to see. Neuer ... meh. So wonky. I'm biting my nails everytime someone comes close to our goal expecting Neuer to fail miserably. Ter Stegen please! Also Havertz... wouldn't mind someone else for the starting 11. He wasn't bad per se, but he wasn't good either. I feel it would take injury to see Neuer out at this stage, perhaps somebody actually has an example but goalkeeper is that one position you don’t really change once you settle on your guy. It’s a pity as I really think ter Stegen deserves it on merit and Manuel is trading off his past glories a bit. I’d love to get to a game, alas no, but the various journalists on podcasts I’m on who are actually in-person seem to be rating Havertz a lot higher than those who watched on TV. I can only assume that his movement/pressing is something that’s more apparent when you’re free to watch the pitch rather than what the director is showing, and in theory having a rather technical player who’s reasonably big and quick too should work as a kind of pivot point. What are Germany’s other forwards outside of Fulkrug like? I’m not super familiar with them. Are any of them similar in attributes to Timo Werner because I do feel having someone like that would be a useful option. You’ve got the arty farty false 9 technician, a battering ram of an old school number 9 in Fulkrug, maybe a pace merchant to chase balls behind would come in handy P.S. if you have added ‘wonky’ to your vernacular by virtue of me overrusing it all the time on here I am honoured! | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4290 Posts
I made transfer to get people from belgium. That was a big gamble but until they play this MD is going to be hard | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
On June 20 2024 16:50 WombaT wrote: I feel it would take injury to see Neuer out at this stage, perhaps somebody actually has an example but goalkeeper is that one position you don’t really change once you settle on your guy. It’s a pity as I really think ter Stegen deserves it on merit and Manuel is trading off his past glories a bit. I’d love to get to a game, alas no, but the various journalists on podcasts I’m on who are actually in-person seem to be rating Havertz a lot higher than those who watched on TV. I can only assume that his movement/pressing is something that’s more apparent when you’re free to watch the pitch rather than what the director is showing, and in theory having a rather technical player who’s reasonably big and quick too should work as a kind of pivot point. What are Germany’s other forwards outside of Fulkrug like? I’m not super familiar with them. Are any of them similar in attributes to Timo Werner because I do feel having someone like that would be a useful option. You’ve got the arty farty false 9 technician, a battering ram of an old school number 9 in Fulkrug, maybe a pace merchant to chase balls behind would come in handy P.S. if you have added ‘wonky’ to your vernacular by virtue of me overrusing it all the time on here I am honoured! Yeah for me Ter Stegen > Neuer. Also besides Füllkrug, they have Undav who was performing well for Stuttgard. Fantasy is mostly luck tbh, since you cant really tell how good/bad someone will perform individually. Germany played well but Havertz didnt score so meh. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
On June 20 2024 17:39 gTank wrote: Yeah for me Ter Stegen > Neuer. Also besides Füllkrug, they have Undav who was performing well for Stuttgard. Fantasy is mostly luck tbh, since you cant really tell how good/bad someone will perform individually. Germany played well but Havertz didnt score so meh. Not to want the entire thing to be rewritten to benefit me, but it strikes me as weird that in an era with more stats and more interest in various metrics than ever, that there isn’t a fantasy game that kinda leans more on them. Any one I’ve ever played is so biased on goals/assists, or how your team do. Ngolo Kante could cover 57 kilometres in a game and make 29 tackles and he’ll still score worse than a striker who had a terrible game but scored one goal! If I wasn’t so lazy and lacking the model on how to actually score it I’d love to whack something a bit more reasonable out | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
Undav would a perfect forward for this Germany team but for whatever reason he isn't seen in that role. Nagelsmann prefers him as a 2nd striker | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
On June 20 2024 19:44 sharkie wrote: Undav would a perfect forward for this Germany team but for whatever reason he isn't seen in that role. Nagelsmann prefers him as a 2nd striker That's how I see it: Undav is the perfect combination. Has the power of Fullkrug and the technique of Havertz. But I always wear my Stuttgart goggles so wasn't sure if that's actually the case | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
On June 20 2024 20:13 Harris1st wrote: That's how I see it: Undav is the perfect combination. Has the power of Fullkrug and the technique of Havertz. But I always wear my Stuttgart goggles so wasn't sure if that's actually the case I think the same even without Stuttgard goggles, Füllkrug is a classic striker waiting in the center to get his chances, Undav is fast and has more technical skill. Havertz + Undav would work way better together as back then Havertz and Werner worked together at Chelsea. Except Undav is 10 times better than Werner ever was. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 20 2024 19:44 sharkie wrote: Scotland are in prime position to advance as a best 3rd out of the group. Hungary has nothing to play for. Undav would a perfect forward for this Germany team but for whatever reason he isn't seen in that role. Nagelsmann prefers him as a 2nd striker Uhm Hungary are far from being eliminated yet. Yes it might be outside of their control, but out of curiosity I checked some other 24 team tournaments, and it appears 3 points and and a goal difference of -2 should give you around a 50% chance of advancing as one of the best 3rd place teams. So I dont see why they should give up yet. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On June 20 2024 23:18 Mafe wrote: Uhm Hungary are far from being eliminated yet. Yes it might be outside of their control, but out of curiosity I checked some other 24 team tournaments, and it appears 3 points and and a goal difference of -2 should give you around a 50% chance of advancing as one of the best 3rd place teams. So I dont see why they should give up yet. are you sure that goal difference of -2 gives you 50% to advance? o.o | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 20 2024 23:22 sharkie wrote: are you sure that goal difference of -2 gives you 50% to advance? o.o Ok, let's be precise then. Going back to 2000, the records of the 4th best 3rd place team are (point, goal difference): Womens World Cup: 3, -2 3, 0 Africa Cup: 3, -3 3, -1 Asian Cup: 3, -3 3, -1 U 20 World Cup: + Show Spoiler + 3, +1 4, -1 4, -1 3, +1 3, 0 3, -10 3, -3 3, -1 3, -2 4, -1 U 17 World Cup: + Show Spoiler + 4, 0 3, -1 2, -1 4, -2 3, +2 3, -4 3, -1 3, -1 Counting all this it's actually just 8 out of 23 times (=35%), but exactly 50% if you exclude the youth tournaments.. But 14 out of 23 times (61%), 3 points and a GD of -1 would have been enough, and well, I'd imagine the Hungary will believe they can beat Scotland by 3 goals. I definitely think they have the potential. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 20 2024 23:57 sharkie wrote: Were those all tournaments where the 3rd place in group advanced? Because otherwise you can only really count the last two euros Yes, all of those were 24 team tournaments with 6 groups of 4 teams, where the 4 best 3rd teams would go on to advance to the ro16. Also I forgot to include the last two euros, they were to obvious. In any case, the records there were 3, -1 3, 0. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9844 Posts
On June 20 2024 23:41 Mafe wrote: Ok, let's be precise then. Going back to 2000, the records of the 4th best 3rd place team are (point, goal difference): Womens World Cup: 3, -2 3, 0 Africa Cup: 3, -3 3, -1 Asian Cup: 3, -3 3, -1 U 20 World Cup: + Show Spoiler + 3, +1 4, -1 4, -1 3, +1 3, 0 3, -10 3, -3 3, -1 3, -2 4, -1 U 17 World Cup: + Show Spoiler + 4, 0 3, -1 2, -1 4, -2 3, +2 3, -4 3, -1 3, -1 Counting all this it's actually just 8 out of 23 times (=35%), but exactly 50% if you exclude the youth tournaments.. But 14 out of 23 times (61%), 3 points and a GD of -1 would have been enough, and well, I'd imagine the Hungary will believe they can beat Scotland by 3 goals. I definitely think they have the potential. Excellent research I reckon we're in for a treat when Hungary play Scotland. Both teams will need a win. Both teams are capable of scoring good goals but also making ridiculous mistakes. Hopefully we get another Turkey vs Georgia type game. | ||
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