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I think this is still a competitive series. On May 29 2021 08:41 JimmiC wrote: My understanding was that he was more complete than both, Forbes being as good on O maybe better but much much worse at d and Connaughton is better than Forbes on D but both much worse than him and Divincenzo at the O. Then Divincenzo is also a really good rebounder for the position. ah ok. I think Divencenzo is a much better play maker and ball mover.. however.. i haven't seen enough of him to say for certain. | ||
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I think Lue pulled the right strings last night. He made good adjustments. | ||
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Tensile strength is proportional to cross sectional area. Muscles get a lot bigger and thicker when trained. Tendons and ligaments do not get much bigger at all. The tendons and ligaments of these athletes can no longer withstand the force their giant muscles can exert. | ||
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On May 31 2021 23:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: As much as injuries influence the NBA its much worse for MLB. How many currently active starting pitchers in MLB can you name that have had a stretch of 4 seasons where they started 32 or more games? There are ~150 starting pitchers. I'll bet you the number with 4+ seasons of health AT ANY POINT in their career is under 5. , not following MLB , but that's sad to hear , there should be a better balance ..... | ||
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On May 28 2021 13:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Reggie Bars (MLB), Rats (NHL), formation of the nWo at Bash at the Beach (WWE) etc.. lots of silly, stupid fun. Chocolate Bars and plastic rats didn't hurt any one.. and everyone had a blast. Patrick Roy was 100% amused by having 1000 plastic rats thrown at him. barry scheck is my hero. you've already conceded a lifetime ban is too long. glad we agree. Wait I was looking back to reply to your comment on Rondo because playoff Rondo continues to be real, man that guy turns it up several notches in the playoffs. He's goes from barely hanging on to his job in the reg to key contributer/quality starter in the playoffs. And then I came across the above bolded epicly bad comment. You do realize in my first response to you I said he probably shouldn't be permanently banned, I didn't concede anything I restated because you don't read my posts and respond, you read and strawman. Come on man be better! Memphis is fun to watch, they are going to be good for a while. I hope they go out though Brooks is awesome and will be a huge part of Cans Olympic qualifying team, especially with SGA and Jamal Murray out. | ||
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also, nothing i say on such a frivolous issue can be deemed "epicly bad". it is a frivolous issue. Alexa Bliss got her ass slapped by a fan at a WWE event. Somehow, she survived. She worked a full program the very next night that included a 24 minute match with a 720 corkscrew piledriver off the 2nd turnbuckle. A very hard move to pull off. I guess Alexa Bliss is tougher than Russell Westbrook. | ||
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Both his knee and groin on the same side are hurting. I think if AD plays he'll be a shadow of himself; i say he'll probably get hurt trying to compensate for his knee and groin if he does play. maybe i'm being nostalgic but i think Gasol should play some of AD's minutes. I've liked what I've seen from him lately. On May 23 2021 00:35 JimmiC wrote: First wow are you passive aggressive! Someone? lol. Next the stat that for years you used to prove he was bad, in spite of what people like Lowe and so one were saying was DRPM, it was the best all encompassing stat and everything else was wrong. He finished as the 4th best defending SF! http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/5 And no shit you play better defense with better teammates, that was my point all along. And here is Kerr talking about Wiggins multiple times! He had his most efficient year, his best defensive year as usual he played big minutes and played every game other then when they rested him in the second last game. https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/steve-kerr-sarcastically-calls-out-andrew-wiggins-haters-i-dont-know-if-you-guys-know-this-but-people-actually-change-and-evolve https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-kerr-praises-andrew-wiggins-165829950.html https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-andrew-wiggins-impresses-steve-kerr-most-one-specific-area https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/steve-kerr-praises-andrew-wiggins-hes-looked-fantastic-since-the-break https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/steve-kerr-on-andrew-wiggins-were-very-much-thrilled-to-have-him-here-its-been-a-good-fit-i-know-were-happy Here is him locking down LBJ the other night! https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/andrew-wiggins-blocks-lebron-hits-3-his-face-epic-stretch You are having to stretch pretty hard for you Wiggins hate these days, it is basically pathological. No one thinks the Twolves won the trade, Wiggins way out preformed Russell AND the 1st pick, damn! I understand you can't let this go, or ever possibly admit that you might be wrong. But Wiggins is a solid NBA wing it is not even a discussion any more. Edit: Wiggins traditional numbers this year and how they ranked for SF and I should mention this is averages because he played 1 less then the most games and likely the most total minutes so in totals he would be way higher. Pts: 18.6 (11th) Rebs: 4.9 (14th) AST 2..4 (15th) Stl (.9) (14th) Blk 1 (2nd) He also had a effective FG% of .543 the highest of his career and a number to be proud of. And he just turned 26. Hes not a max player inspite of his contract, but he is also far from the worst max player. He is a solid, better than average SF in the NBA. And he played the 6 most minutes in the entire NBA. yep, when Wiggins is surrounded by one of the best offensive point guards of all time along with one of the best playing making power forwards in the NBA he is an above average efficiency scorer. When not under these incredibly favourable conditions Wiggins is a very inefficient scorer. Wiggins is "Mr October". He brings early season and pre-season intensity levels to every game he plays. This level of effort is good early in the season and inadequate when it comes to qualifying for a playoff spot. He was very passive on offense only drawing 1 shooting foul in the 2 play-in games. Did he draw a single charge during those 2 games? What position was Wiggins playing when the Grizzlies scored their 104th and 110th points at the end of that play-in game? Doris Burke correctly diagnosis the problems with Wiggins on offense. "that video right there, to me, is damning" The Warriors are the worst team in the NBA when Steph Curry is not on the floor. https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/mky4e8/the_2021_warriors_are_the_worst_team_in_the_nba/ Wiggins is a contributor to how bad the Warriors are without Steph on the floor. Wiggins will be 27 and have 1 career playoff win. This is no big coincidence. He does not bring the level of intensity and attention to detail required to put a team in the playoffs. | ||
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On June 01 2021 15:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1399155923206098945 Both his knee and groin on the same side are hurting. I think if AD plays he'll be a shadow of himself; i say he'll probably get hurt trying to compensate for his knee and groin if he does play. maybe i'm being nostalgic but i think Gasol should play some of AD's minutes. I've liked what I've seen from him lately. yep, when Wiggins is surrounded by one of the best offensive point guards of all time along with one of the best playing making power forwards in the NBA he is an above average efficiency scorer. When not under these incredibly favourable conditions Wiggins is a very inefficient scorer. Wiggins is "Mr October". He brings early season and pre-season intensity levels to every game he plays. This level of effort is good early in the season and inadequate when it comes to qualifying for a playoff spot. He was very passive on offense only drawing 1 shooting foul in the 2 play-in games. Did he draw a single charge during those 2 games? What position was Wiggins playing when the Grizzlies scored their 104th and 110th points at the end of that play-in game? Doris Burke correctly diagnosis the problems with Wiggins on offense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQMYjOXbeg "that video right there, to me, is damning" The Warriors are the worst team in the NBA when Steph Curry is not on the floor. https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/mky4e8/the_2021_warriors_are_the_worst_team_in_the_nba/ Wiggins is a contributor to how bad the Warriors are without Steph on the floor. Wiggins will be 27 and have 1 career playoff win. This is no big coincidence. He does not bring the level of intensity and attention to detail required to put a team in the playoffs. Lol, wait didn't we spend years hearing from you how rpm took that all into account? So are you now agreeing that it is a flawed statistic? Because it does take into account the boost and subtraction of people being on and off. I guess him finishing higher in dRPM then a all defensive second team member does not matter. The voters that gave him a MIP vote does not matter. All the Kerr comments (I just googled Kerr on Wiggins, they are almost all positive) don't matter. Lowes articles don't matter. His teammates including outspoken green don't matter. The eye test does not matter. Maybe you can find other 3 year old videos to try to prove he is not improving at a rapid pace (and was never as bad as you thought) lol Better save some of these old ones for when he delivers another improved season next year!! 🤣 And yes you can have a epicly bad take on frivolous topics, you've proven it! First there is the ninja edit to add it after, then there is that it was a strawman because it was not my position, and finally it is because to try to prove it you bring up wrasslin. It not being physically dangerous does not mean its OK. He should be banned and probably not forever, indefinite makes sense because they can end it if he apologizes, says he will never do it again and so on. He just needs a time out like a little kid amd treated like one because he has the emotional control of one. | ||
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On June 01 2021 20:25 JimmiC wrote: Next the stat that for years you used to prove he was bad, in spite of what people like Lowe and so one were saying was DRPM, it was the best all encompassing stat and everything else was wrong. He finished as the 4th best defending SF! many defensive metrics indicated Wiggins is a poor defender during many years of his career. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nba-haters-ball/?ex_cid=538twitter One thing I'd like to say about RPM. ESPN bought the stat and methodology off of Engelmann. Engelmann is no longer in charge of it. No individual is putting their personal reputation on the line now that it is under EPSN's control ESPN is now misusing the stat by giving RPM #s so early in the year and providing daily updates. RPM requires large amounts of data to be meaningful. These daily RPM updates are pointless. https://squared2020.com/2017/09/18/deep-dive-on-regularized-adjusted-plus-minus-i-introductory-example/ Bayesian filters require large amounts of data to work properly. That said, an entire season of data begins to provide enough data for a properly crafted Bayesian filter. I'm just going to assume Engelmann knows what he is doing and crafted a good filter. If he did not do that the stat would've been crap from the start and ESPN would have zero interest in it. As it is the stat has been alive and well for many years. For a more thorough and rigourous discussion of regression methods and their costs and benefits we can head to the math thread if you like. In order to discuss an issue like regression filters and understand it in terms of first principles you'll need to be able to do basic operations with matrices. Stuff like orthogonal diagonalization of real symmetric matrices, computing eigenvalues and eigenvectors etc. How much of a background in linear algebra do you have? I've got 2 years. So I'd say I'm barely literate in this area. If a TL-er in the math thread possessing a deeper education in linear algebra than us wants to chime in .. that'd be great. Onto Wiggins, His FT% is a bit under 70% the last 5 years. That is below average. but not horrible. RPM indicates Wiggins was the ~15th best starting small forward in the NBA this year. That makes him an average starter for the first time in his career. Every other year Wiggins has been below average. I've already explained the extremely favourable conditions he is playing under on offense. On defense Kerr and Draymond Green have done a great job limiting his role as a defender that includes zero decision making. You'll notice when the Warriors are setting their defense WIggins says almost nothing. Green makes all the decisions. I'll give WIggins credit for listening to what Green tells him to do. Pull Green off the floor and Wiggins starts making the same mistakes on defense he has made throughout his career. So we have a #1 over all pick whose parents are the equivalent of athletic royalty meaning he won the genetic lottery. At 26 he has had 1 year as an average player under perfect conditions that mitigate his flaws. Every other year Wiggins has been a below average starter. Its pretty straightforward to conclude Wiggins is a below average starter. I find exploring the depths of Bayesian filters and regression methods more interesting than Wiggins. Distinguishing average , below average and above average players is quite difficult to do with #s alone. Any one can tell Lebron James is better than Delon Wright and just about any stat indicates that as well. A much tougher question is... can one craft a metric that can distinguish an average starter from a below average starter. Given a giant pile of data I think Engelmann's original RPM that he sold to ESPN a few years ago can do that. | ||
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He takes on the toughest defensive assignment every game and he plays every game. Yes Draymond makes a difference, buy before when you were hating in him it didn't matter that town's was terrible because rpm would weed that out, now it matters? The availability and minutes can also not be underrated, you need minute eaters and that plus him taking on the toughest assignment will help the team stay fresh and hopefully klay stay healthy. To the offense, he was awesome this year, sure his ft shooting is not good but his 3s were, he gets O rebounds and he does not take bad shots anymore. Of course Curry helps, Curry is a hall of fame player. He is a great fit because he does not demand the ball or shots and when Curry is resting he can create his own shots. He was way better than oubre in everyway, oubre is probably going to get 20 million per so Wiggins is not even that over paid anymore, he would likely get.close to the same money in FA. He is not a superstar so if that is your measure then sure he disappointed. But I'm pretty sure you would take him over Jabari Parker who was the big competition for the pick. Embid was the best pick but given his health I understand why others passed. Is Aaron Gordon better? That's doubtful. Exum? Lol. Smart is ok but flawed, Randle had a hell of a year but with how you look at Wiggins his past 5 years not so much. Stauskis is not even in the league. The best player from that draft is probably jokic but considering he went 41st I don't think you can hold that over Cleveland drafting him. Hes an above average starting SF just hitting the beginning of his prime. He plays every game. He is a above average 3 point shooter. He is a great on ball defender. He is a very good offensive rebounder. He has a small ego which makes him great as a 2nd or 3rd option and not great as "the guy". The GSW got an absolute steal that they got the better player in the Russell deal and a super high draft pick for him. You want to talk busts of the first overalls for the last bit you talk Bennett and Fultz. You want to redraft his year and he goes somewhere between 3rd and 6th. And it will likely only get better since he keeps improving and he stays healthy and on the court. | ||
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On May 31 2021 13:22 cLutZ wrote: Such a weird NBA Sunday IMO. It really sucks how much injuries are basically determining the outcome of Suns Lakers. If AD stays out and CP3 gets better, or vice versa it will just feel like a cheated series. TBH, it feels like we get a bunch of cheated series this year, and the last few years. I felt that Suns were done after game 2 after the annual CP3 playoff injury. Now it seems they are in control of the series with him seemingly healthy enough and AD being injured. | ||
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On June 02 2021 05:02 andrewlt wrote: I felt that Suns were done after game 2 after the annual CP3 playoff injury. Now it seems they are in control of the series with him seemingly healthy enough and AD being injured. Round 1 in the West has been so intense, even Memphis is playing like they belong. The next round is going to get even batter. It is too bad with AD and it sucks for Den that they lost Murray even before this started. I hope Donic can bounce back from his neck issue and everyone else stays healthy because the basketball has been great. The east is pretty much as expected the top 3 teams are just so.much better then the bottom 3. Embid getting hurt could change that, but that would be sad on multiple levels. It would give the hawks (or knicks) a legit shot next round but I want to see everyone at top health. Bucks vs Brooklyn is going to be so good. KD vs the freak is like the two current best head to head. Jrue on Kyrie and then Middleton on harden DAMN that will be good. I'm feeling the bucks this year, they seem so locked in. In the West I have no clue it is like anyone could take it, I think Portland is the dark horse but the clips appear to be on a mission now and have PG13 playing in top form. | ||
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He's sure down to start dancing with Jay Crowder when we're up double digits though. Needed a massive performance from his "broad shoulders" tonight and he just blew the game off. Gotta love it. | ||
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The den por game is more than making up for it though! Those cltch 3s from dame and jokic is just so good. | ||
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