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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8931 Posts
March 28 2020 09:54 GMT
#3341
they wouldnt take a 30% pay cut? that just makes it worse. their lack of perspective is astonishing
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
March 28 2020 10:03 GMT
#3342
On March 28 2020 17:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2020 17:18 Dingodile wrote:
the difference is the pay cut. Players on german teams are okay to have a 20-30% cut, Barcelona demands 70% cut.

No. Either you misunderstood or your source did. They proposed a pay cut of 30%, or in other words, players will receive 70% of their salary.

I don't know I agree with willywanker either. The players don't trust Bartomeu, but it seems like their reasons for not accepting the pay cut are economic rather than political. Having a trusted president could have overcome that, while Bartomeu can't as the players don't accept promises or reassurances from him. But their underlying reasons are still economic, not some dream of glorious rebellion.

They're definitely not role models, that I can agree on haha.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-29 02:52:36
March 29 2020 02:50 GMT
#3343
millionaires taking pay cuts to help out billionaires or companies worth billions. i would have an issue with that. if the money from the paycut is going to, lets say, help out less fortunate employees at the club, that would be ok.

it hasnt even been a month yet and theyre already asking for pay cuts
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
March 29 2020 06:09 GMT
#3344
If the company bankrupts, all those employees will be out of a job. I know those companies don't necessarily care about employees, but they care about not going bankrupt so the result is the same.

For football clubs it's even more complicated because not only it affects employees but also the fans. If Messi and co. don't take a pay cut, they'll damage the club, hence the fans. On top of that Barça, Madrid, etc. are owned by the socios, they're not run by billionaires.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
March 29 2020 08:34 GMT
#3345
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52079747

wow four months pay freeze by Juve players and managers, everyone else only did pay cuts o.o
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
March 29 2020 13:08 GMT
#3346
On March 29 2020 15:09 WillyWanker wrote:
If the company bankrupts, all those employees will be out of a job. I know those companies don't necessarily care about employees, but they care about not going bankrupt so the result is the same.

For football clubs it's even more complicated because not only it affects employees but also the fans. If Messi and co. don't take a pay cut, they'll damage the club, hence the fans. On top of that Barça, Madrid, etc. are owned by the socios, they're not run by billionaires.


Florentino Perez is a billionaire (He is in the top 10 richest in Spain). But you are right, he was elected by socios and he doesn't own the club or personally profit from the club finances (in theory).
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
March 31 2020 01:43 GMT
#3347
Well, Barça players are giving 70% now and Messi's statement confirms what I mentioned about the war against the board. They're not that entitled. I wonder how they're going to make it work with Bartomeu from at least one more year... They should call elections ASAP.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
March 31 2020 02:26 GMT
#3348
On March 31 2020 10:43 WillyWanker wrote:
Well, Barça players are giving 70% now and Messi's statement confirms what I mentioned about the war against the board. They're not that entitled. I wonder how they're going to make it work with Bartomeu from at least one more year... They should call elections ASAP.

From what I’ve picked up from the multitude of football podcasts that are accompanying my night shifts the players are pissy that the proposal for that cut was leaked, notably in other big clubs including Juventus’ taking a 4 month pay freeze we only heard about it after it was done.

To which I have sympathy with the players, say they had taken a 50% pay cut after this 70% proposal was public domain, then they get flak for merely taking the 50% cut instead of the 70. Whereas if it was just announced that they’d taken a 50% pay cut then people would think that fair enough.

Not sure what the Barca board is doing these days, no other prominent club that I’ve seen has had pay cut proposals being in the public domain prior to it being done.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2020 06:25 GMT
#3349
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
March 31 2020 15:07 GMT
#3350
That Madrid flex lol
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2020 22:00 GMT
#3351
Seems that the bubble has popped in terms of Clubs/Leagues being able to determine prices etc. Also Canal+ said the same thing 3 days ago.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2020 11:21 GMT
#3352
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
April 01 2020 11:28 GMT
#3353
Soooo how is that newsworthy? I think it's common procedure to publically anounce these decisions shortly after telling the staff in order to avoid a shitstorm by news being leaked before the public anouncement.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
April 01 2020 16:30 GMT
#3354
On April 01 2020 07:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seems that the bubble has popped in terms of Clubs/Leagues being able to determine prices etc. Also Canal+ said the same thing 3 days ago.


They’re playing a dangerous game to do this at this time. Depends how they push but I’d tread carefully if it were me. It does seem a bit of a TV bubble and analysts have called that long before this virus hit, rock the boat and clubs are going to accelerate plans they already doubtless have to go the streaming route

Everything’s so up in the air and unknown at the minute anyway, if (and a big if) some kind of rescheduled season is indeed possible and these fixtures are fulfilled, the football-starved locked-down audience is going to be higher than normal surely and might actually benefit the TV companies.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
April 01 2020 22:09 GMT
#3355
I dont understand why people think the football season is going to be canceled? This season has to finish, all the money has already been paid for. Season 2020/21 is going to be a shorter season
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 02 2020 09:56 GMT
#3356
It has been estimated that the 20 clubs combined could be forced to pay back as much as £762million if the 2019-20 is declared null and void as a result of the coronavirus spread.

Representatives from each club are due to meet via video conference tomorrow, with some hopeful of a mid-May resumption of the season, while others fear it will not be possible to return to action until the summer at the earliest.

It emerged yesterday that French TV station Canal+ has informed France’s Professional Football League that it will not pay its next instalment of rights monies due on Sunday, totalling 110m euros (£95.3m), as the French divisions remain suspended due to Covid-19.

And Lois Langton, partner at Howard Kennedy, claims broadcasters are starting to consider launching legal challenges in the event the Premier League does not finish.

“We have had enquiries from overseas broadcasters, who have paid a lot of money to broadcast Premier League matches in their respective jurisdictions and currently have no matches to show,” she told Standard Sport.

“They are looking at potentially suing the Premier League for the absence of content on their TV channels and it is that you can see having a catastrophic knock-on effect to various layers of football, because it is those TV deals that have been a game-changer in terms of clubs being able to afford astronomical wages and huge staffs.”

Joel Leigh, another partner at Howard Kennedy, believes it is unlikely clubs would have any applicable insurance to protect them against such a turn of events.

“Most contracts don’t provide for something as specific as Covid-19,” he said. “Instead, what’s happening is people are re-familiarising themselves with slightly out-of-date or ethereal legal concepts, like force majeure clauses, that cover events that are unavoidable. You’ve got issues like material adverse change, clauses that are available to cover unforeseen events. There’s also ‘frustration’, where you can discharge a contract on the ground of frustration because something happens that significantly changes the rights and obligations of a party who cannot possibly have anticipated at the time the contract was entered into.

“That’s three examples. There are many others. But there are a wide range of potential arguments to be had in all areas in all sports, not just football.

“What every club is doing, I’m sure, is checking the wording of their applicable policies. If they have them, they are going to have tight notification clauses they will have to stoically observe. And insurers, in this particular economic climate, will be trying to void policies wherever they can. That wouldn’t be the end of the matter, of course, as there could be litigation beyond that.”

Administrators in all sports continue to be guided by Government advice on social distancing, with many Premier League clubs thought to be pinning their hopes on a quick resumption behind closed doors.

However, Alexandra Mizzi, a senior associate at Howard Kennedy specialising in employment law, believes even playing matches in empty stadia is fraught with legal complications.

“As an employer you have an obligation to provide a safe workspace,” she said. “Where there is the risk of transmission in a contact sport, then it is really very difficult to see how players could play safely and in line with current public health guidance if the games are resumed.

“One can see all sort of potential for disputes if it were the case that games were resumed while there was a high risk of infection. It is difficult to foresee how Premier League games could go ahead if the Government guidance on social distancing remains in place.”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
April 02 2020 18:23 GMT
#3357
This is going to run and run. Hopefully sense will prevail over an unprecedented pandemic in modern times and accommodations will be come to.

Even with clubs in Europe generally having to be better run and financially sustainable, or in the Football League with its rules, it’s going to be dicey for many clubs to even survive this, much less if TV money is forced to be repaid in a worst case scenario for the clubs.

It’s not like the clubs didn’t try, hell they tried too hard and some games (notably Valencia vs Atalanta) absolutely should not have gone ahead knowing what we know now.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
April 02 2020 23:46 GMT
#3358
There is no reason to declare the season void anyway so no worries for being sued imo
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-03 14:06:07
April 03 2020 14:03 GMT
#3359
Yeah... I don't think so. There's the agents, the players themselves. Not to mention sponsors etc.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
April 04 2020 00:05 GMT
#3360
They’re definitely going to deflate to some degree, it’s only relatively recently that the 30/40 million mark has been regularly paid for all but the very top players.
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