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On February 13 2020 03:50 Pandemona wrote:
Chelsea about to sign Ziyech from Ajax....interesting....Frank wants him and Frank is getting him, i don't think he is what we need though, we need a goal scorer and Ziyech stats might be good but a lot of players have come from Eredivisie with "good goal stats" and fallen flat on their faces lol. Hope he is good as his Ajax form suggests and for the price its quite cheap so, lets hope he does good!
(£38 million is the fee around €45 million)
Ziyech seems like a really good signing for Chelsea. He doesn't just score himself a reasonable amount, but assists a lot too. And however much I want him to stay at Ajax forever, this transfer makes sense for everybody.
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Isnt chelseas problem scoring goals? They create tons of chances already
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah the price means it isn't a massive Gamble but we would need his goals more than his assists and that is the hardest part it seems when joining this league! Oh well be good to see in the summer, nice to have signings in the bag before you start pre season and what not to get them in so i am pleased with the board for that.
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No way in hell Klopp asked for Sancho. What a load of bollocks. Hes not the type to splash money when its not needed
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I say it is a year too early for him to go anywhere.
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I think it makes a lot of sense and I don’t actually think it’s too outlandish that Klopp would want him. It could also be total bollocks.
If you want to be a dominant side over a long span you have to refresh while you’re at the top. I feel Klopp is like Wenger in not particularly liking throwing money at things, but pragmatic enough to know sometimes you have to in modern football.
If there’s one area I’d say Liverpool have been lucky in the last season and a half it’s with few extended injuries to that front three. Sancho is an equivalent talent and is just getting better, but not quite the superstar yet that he’ll demand to start every game.
100 million for a player is the 30 million of 5/10 years ago. Still haven’t quite got my head around the inflation in the market mind! From being a kid until relatively recently anything above 10 million was a hefty fee for a highly rated player and when you went above 30 it was for either a world class finished product or a world class product. Remarkable how long those rules of thumb worked.
Personally I’d prefer him to stay and develop at and together collectively with this Dortmund side though. If he is moving this summer I’d rather it be Liverpool than City (for me tastes), or god forbid United where I think he’d be dragged down by being a top player expected to carry a dysfunctional team.
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On February 13 2020 19:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
If there’s one area I’d say Liverpool have been lucky in the last season and a half it’s with few extended injuries to that front three. Sancho is an equivalent talent and is just getting better, but not quite the superstar yet that he’ll demand to start every game.
Apparently earlier this season he said that he wasn't rested enough but I doubt he's gonna happily sit out two games. Last year he was the joined english topscorer with Sterling, for this season he's top 5 in all of football (national competitions). I doubt he's gonna stay in Dortmund which is sad because at 17/18 years he's the best footballer to ever wear our jersey. Can shoot, can assist, can dribble, technique is superb. Overall impact for the team is way above anybody else.
Sure he'll lack that superstar-tag until he wins PL, an international title or something but regarding his skillset he could just not evolve for the next 15 years and he'd still be a top10 player.
So for 100m I wouldn't let him go.
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On February 13 2020 19:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think it makes a lot of sense and I don’t actually think it’s too outlandish that Klopp would want him. It could also be total bollocks.
If you want to be a dominant side over a long span you have to refresh while you’re at the top. I feel Klopp is like Wenger in not particularly liking throwing money at things, but pragmatic enough to know sometimes you have to in modern football.
If there’s one area I’d say Liverpool have been lucky in the last season and a half it’s with few extended injuries to that front three. Sancho is an equivalent talent and is just getting better, but not quite the superstar yet that he’ll demand to start every game.
100 million for a player is the 30 million of 5/10 years ago. Still haven’t quite got my head around the inflation in the market mind! From being a kid until relatively recently anything above 10 million was a hefty fee for a highly rated player and when you went above 30 it was for either a world class finished product or a world class product. Remarkable how long those rules of thumb worked.
Personally I’d prefer him to stay and develop at and together collectively with this Dortmund side though. If he is moving this summer I’d rather it be Liverpool than City (for me tastes), or god forbid United where I think he’d be dragged down by being a top player expected to carry a dysfunctional team.
Yes, you refresh with young, hungry players. Not players who cost 100mil and then think they are a superstar bigger than the team.
Ox, Minamino - there are the sort of player Klopp will continue to look for.
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On February 13 2020 21:06 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2020 19:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think it makes a lot of sense and I don’t actually think it’s too outlandish that Klopp would want him. It could also be total bollocks.
If you want to be a dominant side over a long span you have to refresh while you’re at the top. I feel Klopp is like Wenger in not particularly liking throwing money at things, but pragmatic enough to know sometimes you have to in modern football.
If there’s one area I’d say Liverpool have been lucky in the last season and a half it’s with few extended injuries to that front three. Sancho is an equivalent talent and is just getting better, but not quite the superstar yet that he’ll demand to start every game.
100 million for a player is the 30 million of 5/10 years ago. Still haven’t quite got my head around the inflation in the market mind! From being a kid until relatively recently anything above 10 million was a hefty fee for a highly rated player and when you went above 30 it was for either a world class finished product or a world class product. Remarkable how long those rules of thumb worked.
Personally I’d prefer him to stay and develop at and together collectively with this Dortmund side though. If he is moving this summer I’d rather it be Liverpool than City (for me tastes), or god forbid United where I think he’d be dragged down by being a top player expected to carry a dysfunctional team. Yes, you refresh with young, hungry players. Not players who cost 100mil and then think they are a superstar bigger than the team. Ox, Minamino - there are the sort of player Klopp will continue to look for.
You can do both. Klopp isn’t averse to spending money if he thinks it’s required.
Sancho seems to me to be pretty hungry or he wouldn’t have left City for game time and subsequently hit the ground running.
May be nothing, transfer speculation is usually nonsense but I think it would make a good deal of sense for Liverpool given how good he already is and how young he is.
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On February 13 2020 20:20 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2020 19:33 Wombat_NI wrote:
If there’s one area I’d say Liverpool have been lucky in the last season and a half it’s with few extended injuries to that front three. Sancho is an equivalent talent and is just getting better, but not quite the superstar yet that he’ll demand to start every game. Apparently earlier this season he said that he wasn't rested enough but I doubt he's gonna happily sit out two games. Last year he was the joined english topscorer with Sterling, for this season he's top 5 in all of football (national competitions). I doubt he's gonna stay in Dortmund which is sad because at 17/18 years he's the best footballer to ever wear our jersey. Can shoot, can assist, can dribble, technique is superb. Overall impact for the team is way above anybody else. Sure he'll lack that superstar-tag until he wins PL, an international title or something but regarding his skillset he could just not evolve for the next 15 years and he'd still be a top10 player. So for 100m I wouldn't let him go.
Hopefully not anyway, Dortmund are a blast to watch shame they can’t defend for toffee though.
The PSG tie is the pick of the Champions League for me as a neutral, I’d like Dortmund to win but excitement is almost guaranteed.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Rumours were in the summer Salah wanted out anyway as he wasn't that into the whole thing at Liverpool so maybe this Sancho is replacement for Salah and they have the money these days who knows.
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Sancho or Werner would both be good fits for Liverpool, so I could definitely see it happen.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The chief Liverpool journalist for area is convinced that Liverpool are not going near Sancho because of his price and that they are not interested.
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Exactly what I said lol. It doesnt take much to know that
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On February 14 2020 07:18 Pandemona wrote:
The chief Liverpool journalist for area is convinced that Liverpool are not going near Sancho because of his price and that they are not interested.
They probably should be IMO, but if they’re not I wouldn’t be surprised at all. It’s plausible either way.
People seem to forget that City won the league last year with Kevin de Bruyne missing a big chunk of the season through injury. Had enough top quality depth to cope with that loss.
If Liverpool were to lose Mane or Salah for 3-4 months of a season can they cope with that?
Shaqiri, Minamino, Origi can fill in and do a job for some games for sure, they not at that level on any kind of sustained run.
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Klopp has built a career out of "If player x leaves/is injured can he cope with that?".
van Dijk is the vital player at Liverpool, not the front three
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On February 14 2020 08:13 sharkie wrote:
Klopp has built a career out of "If player x leaves/is injured can he cope with that?".
van Dijk is the vital player at Liverpool, not the front three
They’re all vital players. Liverpool don’t have the most amazingly creative midfield 3, if the front 3 aren’t delivering magic it would be rather impactful to the team
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I think Liverpool could definitely use one more high tier attacker and Sancho seems like a decent fit to the current system. I'm more surprised if Sancho is happy going to Liverpool to contest the usual trio for play time, he could be guaranteed starting 11 in most other clubs.
There's probably going to be lots of Salah leaving rumors anyway, but the Sancho interest can definitely fit into that theory.
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On February 14 2020 21:37 Bacillus wrote:
I think Liverpool could definitely use one more high tier attacker and Sancho seems like a decent fit to the current system. I'm more surprised if Sancho is happy going to Liverpool to contest the usual trio for play time, he could be guaranteed starting 11 in most other clubs.
There's probably going to be lots of Salah leaving rumors anyway, but the Sancho interest can definitely fit into that theory.
It makes sense for that to be a concern for us outside viewers, top footballers are a different breed when it comes to that self belief. I’ve lost count of the amount of players I’ve seen go to Real Madrid and thinking ‘how do you ever think you’ll get playing there?’
I guess you need a level of self-belief that can approach delusional (Nicklas Bendtner anyone?) to even make it as a top level pro.
With few exceptions footballers aren’t too forthcoming with what they actually want and think and Sancho’s no exception really. He could want to return to City and feel he has unfinished business there, or perhaps want to go anywhere but City for all I know. Or want to stay at Dortmund etc.
In other news on Salah he’s been listed on Egypt’s provisional Olympic squad. I must say I’d forgotten the Olympics were this summer, somehow.
Klopp was talking about it, said it’s a decision they’ll make with more information down the line. Liverpool don’t actually have to release him, nor anyone else have to release the players called up who are over 23.
Quite an interesting one. We’ve got Klopp who made a big show about players not getting enough of a break, with a tournament he doesn’t have to release his player for and we’ve got Salah who’s a patriotic Egyptian but has his issues with the FA. Wonder how it’ll go.
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