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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18763 Posts
February 11 2020 13:58 GMT
#2801
Dortmund higher than Napoli? What? They both suck balls atm
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
February 11 2020 15:08 GMT
#2802
It’s a strange season Europe wide, there are few teams who don’t (relatively) suck compared to what their usual level is or have some kind of deep flaw.

Outside of Liverpool who are a team both performing to potential and to the very highest European level, I’m struggling to think of many teams who are ticking both boxes.

The teams that are having good seasons are a bit lower down, I’d say the likes of Atalanta, Sheffield United who are punching well above their weight.

On the plus side if Liverpool lose, the Champions League will be pretty wide open in terms of a potential winner.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18476 Posts
February 11 2020 15:46 GMT
#2803
On February 12 2020 00:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
It’s a strange season Europe wide, there are few teams who don’t (relatively) suck compared to what their usual level is or have some kind of deep flaw.

Outside of Liverpool who are a team both performing to potential and to the very highest European level, I’m struggling to think of many teams who are ticking both boxes.

The teams that are having good seasons are a bit lower down, I’d say the likes of Atalanta, Sheffield United who are punching well above their weight.

On the plus side if Liverpool lose, the Champions League will be pretty wide open in terms of a potential winner.

Nah, then Real Madrid will snooze their way to yet another trophy. It's just what they do. And they have recovered some of their form.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
February 11 2020 16:34 GMT
#2804
On February 12 2020 00:46 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 00:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
It’s a strange season Europe wide, there are few teams who don’t (relatively) suck compared to what their usual level is or have some kind of deep flaw.

Outside of Liverpool who are a team both performing to potential and to the very highest European level, I’m struggling to think of many teams who are ticking both boxes.

The teams that are having good seasons are a bit lower down, I’d say the likes of Atalanta, Sheffield United who are punching well above their weight.

On the plus side if Liverpool lose, the Champions League will be pretty wide open in terms of a potential winner.

Nah, then Real Madrid will snooze their way to yet another trophy. It's just what they do. And they have recovered some of their form.

Also a distinct possibility, especially with a relatively fresh Hazard to unleash if he can find his fitness.

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whistleboss
Profile Joined March 2019
151 Posts
February 11 2020 17:02 GMT
#2805
On February 11 2020 22:58 sharkie wrote:
Dortmund higher than Napoli? What? They both suck balls atm

Napoli #11 in league, Dortmund #3... and brought some new players.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7435 Posts
February 12 2020 07:34 GMT
#2806
On February 11 2020 22:58 sharkie wrote:
Dortmund higher than Napoli? What? They both suck balls atm


If they played right now vs each other I'd give Dortmund 52 to 48 Napoli or sth.
But anyway, I meant it more in the UEFA 5 years ranking kinda way
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 12 2020 10:19 GMT
#2807
Internazionale have won a key battle in a trademark infringement lawsuit against Major League Soccer, claiming the term ‘Inter’ is synonymous with the Serie A club, which also goes by Inter Milan.

Inter Miami CF, the new MLS club owned by David Beckham set to make their debut next month, suffered a setback in the first round of the proceedings when the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) dismissed one of the team’s two arguments, according to a report published Monday.

Miami attorney David Winker, writing for Law.com, said the Italian club appears to have overcome the significant legal threshold of “likely confusion”, adding he believes the ruling “will result in Miami having to change its name”.

“The USPTO found that MLS’ claim that there are a number of clubs around the world that use Inter in their name – SC Internacional of Porto Alegre, Brazil, Inter Nashville FC, Inter Atlanta FC, FC Inter Turku (Finland), NK Inter Zapresic (Croatia), Inter Leipzig (Germany) and Inter de Grand-Goave (Haiti) – did not meet its burden to show that MLS has valid proprietary, or ownership, right in the name, Inter,” the report said.

The Miami New Times reported Internazionale submitted a trademark application to the USPTO in 2014 to make ‘Inter’ and exclusive brand in the United States, barring other clubs from marketing themselves with the same shorthand, while Inter Miami CF’s subsequent application in 2018 has been suspended.

MLS’s outlined a two-pronged argument in a notice of opposition filed last year against Internazionale’s application: that ‘Inter’ is a widely used shorthand in soccer and that a trademark on the term will cause a “likelihood of confusion” among the various teams that already use it. But last month, the patent office’s Trademark Trial and Appeal Board dismissed the “likelihood of confusion” claim and said the league didn’t meet those requirements, Winker wrote.

The trademark battle is the latest bump in the rocky gestation for Beckham’s club, including a protracted struggle over stadium construction, objections from cruise lines, ludicrous demands from private landowners, calls to build a high school on the complex and, most recently, the discovery of arsenic contamination at the golf course where the 25,000-seat Miami Freedom Park will be built.

Inter Miami (for now, anyway) are scheduled to play the first home game in club history on 14 March against LA Galaxy after opening with back-to-back road matches at LAFC and DC United.


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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18476 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 11:47:28
February 12 2020 11:22 GMT
#2808
On February 12 2020 19:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Internazionale have won a key battle in a trademark infringement lawsuit against Major League Soccer, claiming the term ‘Inter’ is synonymous with the Serie A club, which also goes by Inter Milan.

Inter Miami CF, the new MLS club owned by David Beckham set to make their debut next month, suffered a setback in the first round of the proceedings when the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) dismissed one of the team’s two arguments, according to a report published Monday.

Miami attorney David Winker, writing for Law.com, said the Italian club appears to have overcome the significant legal threshold of “likely confusion”, adding he believes the ruling “will result in Miami having to change its name”.

“The USPTO found that MLS’ claim that there are a number of clubs around the world that use Inter in their name – SC Internacional of Porto Alegre, Brazil, Inter Nashville FC, Inter Atlanta FC, FC Inter Turku (Finland), NK Inter Zapresic (Croatia), Inter Leipzig (Germany) and Inter de Grand-Goave (Haiti) – did not meet its burden to show that MLS has valid proprietary, or ownership, right in the name, Inter,” the report said.

The Miami New Times reported Internazionale submitted a trademark application to the USPTO in 2014 to make ‘Inter’ and exclusive brand in the United States, barring other clubs from marketing themselves with the same shorthand, while Inter Miami CF’s subsequent application in 2018 has been suspended.

MLS’s outlined a two-pronged argument in a notice of opposition filed last year against Internazionale’s application: that ‘Inter’ is a widely used shorthand in soccer and that a trademark on the term will cause a “likelihood of confusion” among the various teams that already use it. But last month, the patent office’s Trademark Trial and Appeal Board dismissed the “likelihood of confusion” claim and said the league didn’t meet those requirements, Winker wrote.

The trademark battle is the latest bump in the rocky gestation for Beckham’s club, including a protracted struggle over stadium construction, objections from cruise lines, ludicrous demands from private landowners, calls to build a high school on the complex and, most recently, the discovery of arsenic contamination at the golf course where the 25,000-seat Miami Freedom Park will be built.

Inter Miami (for now, anyway) are scheduled to play the first home game in club history on 14 March against LA Galaxy after opening with back-to-back road matches at LAFC and DC United.


Source


This doesn't make sense. There's an Inter in Brazil as well, and has been for very very nearly as long as there has been an Inter Milan. They should just be able to point to that and nullify the trademark claim:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_Club_Internacional

EDIT: I read the article now and just don't get it. Shouldn't the fact that there are multiple clubs with the Inter name be completely valid grounds for them to be called Inter. And trademark Inter Miami, but obviously not "Inter" alone. And on the same grounds shouldn't any TM application by Inter Milan for the TM on "Inter" be denied (whereas a TM on "Inter Milan" should be granted)?
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
February 12 2020 12:02 GMT
#2809
On February 09 2020 22:09 Melliflue wrote:
As a West Brom fan I am more nervous about Forest than Fulham, but Brentford are scary. I am amazed we are still top after our awful run. I think we have the best midfield in the division but we have struggled to score at times. I was hoping for more from Austin, and I have no idea why we signed Zohore.

And there is absolutely no way this match at Millwall should go ahead today.


What's your opinion on Krovinovic and Matheus?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18763 Posts
February 12 2020 12:24 GMT
#2810
"The comments that he made especially to me and one other player - talking about the relegation zone and 'you're still in the relegation zone', 'you're having one', 'your team's having one' this and that and it was very, very disrespectful."


https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51474229

If there is even an ounce of truth behind it I'd hope he will never ref another game of football again... Wtf is that
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 12:41:42
February 12 2020 12:31 GMT
#2811
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.

Does anybody know how that works? Do you register players for a position and if none is left you're allowed a transfer? Is it whenever you fall below X eligible players for next match? Is it the same if you lose Dembele or a random youngster that plays for the 1st team since summer?
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 12:42:24
February 12 2020 12:41 GMT
#2812
On February 12 2020 21:31 smr wrote:
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.


Only one player and only if you have a long duration injury (minimum 5 months, Dembelé is injured for 6 months). And of course you can only buy in Spanish clubs. It is a "emergency transfer" and the rule have there for a long time.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
February 12 2020 12:44 GMT
#2813
On February 12 2020 21:41 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 21:31 smr wrote:
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.


Only one player and only if you have a long durantion injury (minimum 5 months). And of course only in Spanish clubs. It is a "emergency transfer" and the rule have always been there.

Yeah I read that it is in place since forever and that Levante or somebody used it last year. Nothing against Barca in this case, I'm just curious how that works (and no matter which club is involved, I dislike the rule but if all clubs agree to it, it's of course perfectly fine).
I was late asking a few questions that came to my mind. If you have any more insights I'd be glad if you looked at my last post again (edited) to clarify the rulings. Thanks a lot.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18476 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 12:51:05
February 12 2020 12:48 GMT
#2814
On February 12 2020 21:31 smr wrote:
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.

Does anybody know how that works? Do you register players for a position and if none is left you're allowed a transfer? Is it whenever you fall below X eligible players for next match? Is it the same if you lose Dembele or a random youngster that plays for the 1st team since summer?

"that spanish rule"... I live in Spain and have never heard of it. Can you link what you read?

Insofar as I know, you're allowed to buy players who are without a contract and start them at any point in the season. Not just in Spain, but anywhere in Europe. If Germany is more strict than that... then I dunno. Fix it? But if you're saying Spanish clubs can buy players under contract outside the transfer window, I've never heard of that.

I mean, clubs do that too, but the bought player is not allowed to play professional football for the team. Thus it's almost always referring to: (young) players outside of Europe, and they join early to acclimatize and train with the new team. They aren't allowed to play any professional games (which for a team like Barcelona is both the A and B teams).

EDIT: ok, so that rule does exist. I'm guessing the player is not allowed to play CL/Europa League, because regardless of what the Spanish FA says, it still goes against UEFA guidelines.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 12:57:46
February 12 2020 12:53 GMT
#2815
On February 12 2020 21:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 21:31 smr wrote:
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.

Does anybody know how that works? Do you register players for a position and if none is left you're allowed a transfer? Is it whenever you fall below X eligible players for next match? Is it the same if you lose Dembele or a random youngster that plays for the 1st team since summer?

"that spanish rule"... I live in Spain and have never heard of it. Can you link what you read?

Insofar as I know, you're allowed to buy players who are without a contract and start them at any point in the season. Not just in Spain, but anywhere in Europe. If Germany is more strict than that... then I dunno. Fix it? But if you're saying Spanish clubs can buy players under contract outside the transfer window, I've never heard of that.

I mean, clubs do that too, but the bought player is not allowed to play professional football for the team. Thus it's almost always referring to: (young) players outside of Europe, and they join early to acclimatize and train with the new team. They aren't allowed to play any professional games (which for a team like Barcelona is both the A and B teams).

EDIT: ok, so that rule does exist. I'm guessing the player is not allowed to play CL/Europa League, because regardless of what the Spanish FA says, it still goes against UEFA guidelines.

read it on the german transfermarkt-page, article doesn't seem to exist in english but that's what I got from the comments: player is allowed in national competitions but cannot play cl/el

e: I think my biggest problem - but maybe that's not how the rule works - is the fact that the 2nd club cannot respond. Everybody has a release clause so if a player and the buying club agree to a deal, there wouldn't be a chance to stop that right? Or is there an additional rule that forces an agreement between all involved parties to get the transfer done? In that case it's much less of a problem than I thought.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 13:33:17
February 12 2020 13:32 GMT
#2816
On February 12 2020 21:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 21:31 smr wrote:
Just read about that spanish rule that allows a team to buy players outside the transfer window. I know in Germany you can hire players without a contract but buying because you made a mistake planning your roster? Cmon do a better job. Scout your youth team and play those guys for half a year.

Does anybody know how that works? Do you register players for a position and if none is left you're allowed a transfer? Is it whenever you fall below X eligible players for next match? Is it the same if you lose Dembele or a random youngster that plays for the 1st team since summer?

"that spanish rule"... I live in Spain and have never heard of it. Can you link what you read?

Insofar as I know, you're allowed to buy players who are without a contract and start them at any point in the season. Not just in Spain, but anywhere in Europe. If Germany is more strict than that... then I dunno. Fix it? But if you're saying Spanish clubs can buy players under contract outside the transfer window, I've never heard of that.

I mean, clubs do that too, but the bought player is not allowed to play professional football for the team. Thus it's almost always referring to: (young) players outside of Europe, and they join early to acclimatize and train with the new team. They aren't allowed to play any professional games (which for a team like Barcelona is both the A and B teams).

EDIT: ok, so that rule does exist. I'm guessing the player is not allowed to play CL/Europa League, because regardless of what the Spanish FA says, it still goes against UEFA guidelines.


Yes, the player can't play in Europe. But still, Barcelona has 3 forwards (one of them 17 years old), so they are desesperate.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule (extreme injuries for all the season) but I still think it is unfair. For example if Barcelona buy Angel (Getafe forward) paying the release clause they fuck Getafe who is fighting for a CL spot and they can't replace him. The only consequence is the worsening of both clubs relationship (And Barça sucks at having good relationships anyway since Bartomeu is the president).

Last rumour is William Jose, he is right now at the bench in Real Sociedad (Isak displaced him).
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18763 Posts
February 12 2020 13:34 GMT
#2817
This is a stupid rule which obviously only helps the clubs with budgets. Even worse, the club who loses the player cannot use the same rule to replace their player -> like wtf?
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
February 12 2020 18:31 GMT
#2818
On February 12 2020 21:02 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2020 22:09 Melliflue wrote:
As a West Brom fan I am more nervous about Forest than Fulham, but Brentford are scary. I am amazed we are still top after our awful run. I think we have the best midfield in the division but we have struggled to score at times. I was hoping for more from Austin, and I have no idea why we signed Zohore.

And there is absolutely no way this match at Millwall should go ahead today.


What's your opinion on Krovinovic and Matheus?

They are both excellent players, and they will both track back to defend, but Pereira is more hit and miss. He can do some wonderful link-up play and passing but he also loses the ball more often. I don't think Krovinovic has been given as many chances to play the forward midfield role, and when they are both on the pitch it looks like Krovinovic is out wide. I feel a bit sorry for him that he hasn't been given a run in the team. He played very well while Pereira was suspended.

But Pereira has a habit of diving (or at least going to ground very easily) which I find embarrassing.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 12 2020 18:50 GMT
#2819
Chelsea about to sign Ziyech from Ajax....interesting....Frank wants him and Frank is getting him, i don't think he is what we need though, we need a goal scorer and Ziyech stats might be good but a lot of players have come from Eredivisie with "good goal stats" and fallen flat on their faces lol. Hope he is good as his Ajax form suggests and for the price its quite cheap so, lets hope he does good!

(£38 million is the fee around €45 million)
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4024 Posts
February 12 2020 19:04 GMT
#2820
On February 13 2020 03:50 Pandemona wrote:
Chelsea about to sign Ziyech from Ajax....interesting....Frank wants him and Frank is getting him, i don't think he is what we need though, we need a goal scorer and Ziyech stats might be good but a lot of players have come from Eredivisie with "good goal stats" and fallen flat on their faces lol. Hope he is good as his Ajax form suggests and for the price its quite cheap so, lets hope he does good!

(£38 million is the fee around €45 million)

Players from Eredivisie are always 50/50 to succeed, but I don't think this is a bad deal. He may have to get used to playing under more pressure though. But at that price, he doesn't have to start and make an impact immediately.
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