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On February 05 2020 22:31 Harris1st wrote:
So did you guys hear what happened with VAR in Germany in DFB Cup yesterday? rofl
Bremen - Dortmund
Niklas Moisander hits Giovanni Reyna in the face in the box. Ref Winkmann checks VAR and gives both yellow
Schalke - Berlin
Omar Mascarell nicely tackles Jordan Torunarigha. So far so good. But the latter had too much speed and flailed uncontrolled over the sideline so Schalke manager Wagner tries to catch him.
Ref Osmers checks VAR and gives red to manager Wagner
Edit: Maybe someone can link clips or sth? I don't know where to find and how to link those :/
Moisander & Reyna: https://streamable.com/0haap
Call after VAR was dive and not violent conduct = yellow for both but no pen
Torunarigha & Wagner: https://streamja.com/4lr6
I have no idea what drugs were involved to call that violent conduct by Wagner. Review/length of ban will be interesting because i doubt the FA will overrule VAR like that
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On February 06 2020 00:13 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2020 22:31 Harris1st wrote:
So did you guys hear what happened with VAR in Germany in DFB Cup yesterday? rofl
Bremen - Dortmund
Niklas Moisander hits Giovanni Reyna in the face in the box. Ref Winkmann checks VAR and gives both yellow
Schalke - Berlin
Omar Mascarell nicely tackles Jordan Torunarigha. So far so good. But the latter had too much speed and flailed uncontrolled over the sideline so Schalke manager Wagner tries to catch him.
Ref Osmers checks VAR and gives red to manager Wagner
Edit: Maybe someone can link clips or sth? I don't know where to find and how to link those :/ Moisander & Reyna: https://streamable.com/0haapCall after VAR was dive and not violent conduct = yellow for both but no pen Torunarigha & Wagner: https://streamja.com/4lr6I have no idea what drugs were involved to call that violent conduct by Wagner. Review/length of ban will be interesting because i doubt the FA will overrule VAR like that
Thank youuu
So as far as I understand he gave Reyna yellow for diving and Moisander yellow for unsportsmanship?
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On February 06 2020 00:13 sneirac wrote:Torunarigha & Wagner: https://streamja.com/4lr6I have no idea what drugs were involved to call that violent conduct by Wagner. Review/length of ban will be interesting because i doubt the FA will overrule VAR like that
From the replay, the manager grabbed the No25 Torunarigha and actively prevented him from getting up asap. It doesn't look violent but maybe the manager actions was to provoke something?
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On February 06 2020 00:44 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:13 sneirac wrote:On February 05 2020 22:31 Harris1st wrote:
So did you guys hear what happened with VAR in Germany in DFB Cup yesterday? rofl
Bremen - Dortmund
Niklas Moisander hits Giovanni Reyna in the face in the box. Ref Winkmann checks VAR and gives both yellow
Schalke - Berlin
Omar Mascarell nicely tackles Jordan Torunarigha. So far so good. But the latter had too much speed and flailed uncontrolled over the sideline so Schalke manager Wagner tries to catch him.
Ref Osmers checks VAR and gives red to manager Wagner
Edit: Maybe someone can link clips or sth? I don't know where to find and how to link those :/ Moisander & Reyna: https://streamable.com/0haapCall after VAR was dive and not violent conduct = yellow for both but no pen Torunarigha & Wagner: https://streamja.com/4lr6I have no idea what drugs were involved to call that violent conduct by Wagner. Review/length of ban will be interesting because i doubt the FA will overrule VAR like that Thank youuu So as far as I understand he gave Reyna yellow for diving and Moisander yellow for unsportsmanship?
Yes, and no penalty because the dive makes it a dead ball situation
@LennX
That is the harshest interpretation I can come up with and would still only be a yellow. I honestly think Wagner was just trying to prevent the fall/help him up.
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On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game
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On February 05 2020 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game I believe it’s used differently elsewhere than in the Premier League. For me if it was used a bit more consistently, broke up the flow a little less and was changed a little with regards to offsides that would be good. Although the actual offside law would need to change, VAR is interpreting a rule designed to be judged by the human eye and not machine precision. Personally with offside I’d go back to the old ‘daylight’ standard or something close to it. Defenders aren’t getting joy from meticulous played offside traps they’re getting lucky from bad defending while a player happens to have his left ear offside or whatever. I accept a few teething problems to be ironed out. Football fans love to complain though, my first 3 decades were spent with complaints of referees making wrong decisions, now it seems entering my 4th I shall be having to listen to people complain about VAR until the day I die. The refereeing mistake that caused me most anguish, Henry’s handball vs Ireland in the playoffs for the 2006 World Cup is the sort of thing that VAR is ideal for.
I expected the FA to have some kind of time limit for VAR reviews. They could say the VAR officials only have, say, one minute and if they cannot be certain the original decision was wrong within that minute then it was not obviously wrong and should not be over-turned. If VAR was only used to overrule decisions that are immediately obviously wrong then I think players and fans would be less irritated by it.
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On February 06 2020 04:50 Melliflue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2020 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game I believe it’s used differently elsewhere than in the Premier League. For me if it was used a bit more consistently, broke up the flow a little less and was changed a little with regards to offsides that would be good. Although the actual offside law would need to change, VAR is interpreting a rule designed to be judged by the human eye and not machine precision. Personally with offside I’d go back to the old ‘daylight’ standard or something close to it. Defenders aren’t getting joy from meticulous played offside traps they’re getting lucky from bad defending while a player happens to have his left ear offside or whatever. I accept a few teething problems to be ironed out. Football fans love to complain though, my first 3 decades were spent with complaints of referees making wrong decisions, now it seems entering my 4th I shall be having to listen to people complain about VAR until the day I die. The refereeing mistake that caused me most anguish, Henry’s handball vs Ireland in the playoffs for the 2006 World Cup is the sort of thing that VAR is ideal for. I expected the FA to have some kind of time limit for VAR reviews. They could say the VAR officials only have, say, one minute and if they cannot be certain the original decision was wrong within that minute then it was not obviously wrong and should not be over-turned. If VAR was only used to overrule decisions that are immediately obviously wrong then I think players and fans would be less irritated by it.
Puh, I don't know Kev.
That could backfire even more than it is right now. Imagine VAR under time pressure is worse than it is now. Plus if something comes up after say 1min and 10sec and the media gets wind of it.... shithurricane incoming
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On February 06 2020 21:21 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 04:50 Melliflue wrote:On February 05 2020 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game I believe it’s used differently elsewhere than in the Premier League. For me if it was used a bit more consistently, broke up the flow a little less and was changed a little with regards to offsides that would be good. Although the actual offside law would need to change, VAR is interpreting a rule designed to be judged by the human eye and not machine precision. Personally with offside I’d go back to the old ‘daylight’ standard or something close to it. Defenders aren’t getting joy from meticulous played offside traps they’re getting lucky from bad defending while a player happens to have his left ear offside or whatever. I accept a few teething problems to be ironed out. Football fans love to complain though, my first 3 decades were spent with complaints of referees making wrong decisions, now it seems entering my 4th I shall be having to listen to people complain about VAR until the day I die. The refereeing mistake that caused me most anguish, Henry’s handball vs Ireland in the playoffs for the 2006 World Cup is the sort of thing that VAR is ideal for. I expected the FA to have some kind of time limit for VAR reviews. They could say the VAR officials only have, say, one minute and if they cannot be certain the original decision was wrong within that minute then it was not obviously wrong and should not be over-turned. If VAR was only used to overrule decisions that are immediately obviously wrong then I think players and fans would be less irritated by it. Puh, I don't know Kev. That could backfire even more than it is right now. Imagine VAR under time pressure is worse than it is now. Plus if something comes up after say 1min and 10sec and the media gets wind of it.... shithurricane incoming
Yeah but you must avoid reaching Portugal levels where despite having VAR for more than a season, most (if not all) decisions reach almost the 5 minute delay time.
Sometimes it is grotesque how obvious it is, yet they review every little detail for extensive periods of time so as to avoid the press shitstorm the day after.
If look back to previous years' threads, we can now see more people agreeing with my stance regarding VAR xD it will never solve everything like people want, and will also introduce new issues (see offside rule issues and all that).
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On February 06 2020 21:21 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 04:50 Melliflue wrote:On February 05 2020 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game I believe it’s used differently elsewhere than in the Premier League. For me if it was used a bit more consistently, broke up the flow a little less and was changed a little with regards to offsides that would be good. Although the actual offside law would need to change, VAR is interpreting a rule designed to be judged by the human eye and not machine precision. Personally with offside I’d go back to the old ‘daylight’ standard or something close to it. Defenders aren’t getting joy from meticulous played offside traps they’re getting lucky from bad defending while a player happens to have his left ear offside or whatever. I accept a few teething problems to be ironed out. Football fans love to complain though, my first 3 decades were spent with complaints of referees making wrong decisions, now it seems entering my 4th I shall be having to listen to people complain about VAR until the day I die. The refereeing mistake that caused me most anguish, Henry’s handball vs Ireland in the playoffs for the 2006 World Cup is the sort of thing that VAR is ideal for. I expected the FA to have some kind of time limit for VAR reviews. They could say the VAR officials only have, say, one minute and if they cannot be certain the original decision was wrong within that minute then it was not obviously wrong and should not be over-turned. If VAR was only used to overrule decisions that are immediately obviously wrong then I think players and fans would be less irritated by it. Puh, I don't know Kev. That could backfire even more than it is right now. Imagine VAR under time pressure is worse than it is now. Plus if something comes up after say 1min and 10sec and the media gets wind of it.... shithurricane incoming
It's not meant to put the VAR officials under time pressure. If they are in any doubt that the original decision is wrong then don't overrule it. There will always be incidents that split opinion, even with the benefit of replays (see Sterling's tackle on Alli), and in those cases I don't want VAR to change the original decision. I thought VAR would only be used for the incidents that any (non-biased) fan would immediately think was wrong after one or two replays, such as that Henry hand-ball.
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On February 07 2020 03:06 Melliflue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 21:21 Harris1st wrote:On February 06 2020 04:50 Melliflue wrote:On February 05 2020 22:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 05 2020 21:34 sharkie wrote:
Of course I am. I am first and foremost a fan of fair play. That's why I want -good- and -functioning- VAR in the game I believe it’s used differently elsewhere than in the Premier League. For me if it was used a bit more consistently, broke up the flow a little less and was changed a little with regards to offsides that would be good. Although the actual offside law would need to change, VAR is interpreting a rule designed to be judged by the human eye and not machine precision. Personally with offside I’d go back to the old ‘daylight’ standard or something close to it. Defenders aren’t getting joy from meticulous played offside traps they’re getting lucky from bad defending while a player happens to have his left ear offside or whatever. I accept a few teething problems to be ironed out. Football fans love to complain though, my first 3 decades were spent with complaints of referees making wrong decisions, now it seems entering my 4th I shall be having to listen to people complain about VAR until the day I die. The refereeing mistake that caused me most anguish, Henry’s handball vs Ireland in the playoffs for the 2006 World Cup is the sort of thing that VAR is ideal for. I expected the FA to have some kind of time limit for VAR reviews. They could say the VAR officials only have, say, one minute and if they cannot be certain the original decision was wrong within that minute then it was not obviously wrong and should not be over-turned. If VAR was only used to overrule decisions that are immediately obviously wrong then I think players and fans would be less irritated by it. Puh, I don't know Kev. That could backfire even more than it is right now. Imagine VAR under time pressure is worse than it is now. Plus if something comes up after say 1min and 10sec and the media gets wind of it.... shithurricane incoming It's not meant to put the VAR officials under time pressure. If they are in any doubt that the original decision is wrong then don't overrule it. There will always be incidents that split opinion, even with the benefit of replays (see Sterling's tackle on Alli), and in those cases I don't want VAR to change the original decision. I thought VAR would only be used for the incidents that any (non-biased) fan would immediately think was wrong after one or two replays, such as that Henry hand-ball.
The Premier League initially said it was to be used in ‘clear and obvious’ cases, so a time limit isn’t that crazy to implement with that being the remit.
For offside I think it’s the issue of the law and interpretation being designed around the capabilities of a linesman, being adjudicated by precise technology. I’m not sure how you tweak that without creating a two-tier rule set for those competitions operating with VAR and those without.
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Ødegaard one goal and Isak two goals against Real Madrid.
The nordics are on fire.
Edit: Isak hattrick now.
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Mikel Merino doesn't look anyhow like Isak lol.
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On February 07 2020 04:29 whistleboss wrote:
Mikel Merino doesn't look anyhow like Isak lol.
Ups. I fucked it in the last Real Sociedad goal xD
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Quarter final of Copa del Rey is one game ? The most incompetent RFEF in years.
3rd goal of Real Sociedad is from offside... no VAR of course. And I'm still waiting for replay for the disallowed goal of Madrid.
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It's all in the line for propaganda boy you know who 
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
way to lose that what 20 game unbeaten run for real madrid? Home to Sociedad in the cup....now i know Sociedad have been doing very well this year but still losing at home after that long of an unbeaten run is quite crazy.
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And they already cheating for Barcelona.
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On February 07 2020 05:07 Pr0wler wrote:
Quarter final of Copa del Rey is one game ? The most incompetent RFEF in years.
One leg Copa del Rey is the best thing RFEF has made in years. Everyone I know in Spain is loving the new format, the upsets, the illusion for smaller teams, etc. And nobody cared about the two leg Copa anyway.
Zidane changed too many players. They need solid defensive players (Courtois, Mendy, Casemiro, etc).
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Well nevermind, half-time. It could still be a happy end today.
On February 07 2020 05:42 Pr0wler wrote:https://streamable.com/49waoSo VAR sees this and calls no offside... Spanish VAR works in mysterious ways.
What are the rules in regards to deflection and deliberate kicks? Same thing happened in french league short ago and the referee allowed the goal.
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