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On May 06 2018 13:47 andrewlt wrote:
Good thing I'm not a Raptors fan. I wouldn't be able to handle it.
Cavs went from being the most shaky round 1 winner to looking great in round 2.
What's happening here:
1. Cavs are bad but Raptors are worse, so when Cavs meet a real strong team like the West winner, they will get destroyed, or
2. Cavs are good but just hasn't peaked yet in the IND series, and they are peaking now and will be championship level soon
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On May 06 2018 13:47 andrewlt wrote:
Good thing I'm not a Raptors fan. I wouldn't be able to handle it.
If you were a Raps fan you'd probably have built up a tolerance to this by now lol
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I wonder if all this "superstar dud" phenomenon is all a result of social media and more vocal fans nowadays.
I mean we have a whole lot of terrible superstar players such as Westbrook, DD, Melo, Butler, Lillard, Walker, and many others. Might this be a result of fans hyping players up and overrating players who are actually at best just good enough players.
I mean looking at how some people here fawn over players like Van Vleet, KAT, OG, Porzingis, and others, players now are getting more attention that similarly-skilled players in the past.
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If Philly "accidentally" drops confetti again during the rest of the playoffs cause a delay of game i'd like to see them get a technical foul where the visitor gets 2 foul shots and the ball. I'll bet you Boston wanted a Tech for what happened tonight.
On May 06 2018 13:26 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
the raptors playing badly in the playoffs is not a myth despite your silly opinion. just stop.
facts shows its true. facts.
you can make excuses about injuries and everything and cry but you cant argue with facts.
you are ignoring half my statement.
my statement is an observation it is not an opinion. and it is a precise obsevration at that.
the observation is this "the Raptors playoffs performances are congruent with their regular season performances".
with stuff like
On May 06 2018 13:11 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
wtf are you blabbing about.
On May 06 2018 12:54 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
lol, wtf you smoking?
from you i don't think a real discussion about the observation i made is possible ... so i'm out.
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On May 06 2018 14:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 13:47 andrewlt wrote:
Good thing I'm not a Raptors fan. I wouldn't be able to handle it.
Cavs went from being the most shaky round 1 winner to looking great in round 2. What's happening here: 1. Cavs are bad but Raptors are worse, so when Cavs meet a real strong team like the West winner, they will get destroyed, or 2. Cavs are good but just hasn't peaked yet in the IND series, and they are peaking now and will be championship level soon
You forgot 3. Kind of hard when the refs are working against you.
The fix is in.
I wonder what it's going to take. I wonder if it is possible to file a class action lawsuit against the referee association. This sport is so corrupt.
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On May 06 2018 13:26 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
the raptors playing badly in the playoffs is not a myth despite your silly opinion. just stop.
facts shows its true. facts.
you can make excuses about injuries and everything and cry but you cant argue with facts.
Jesus, reading comprehension please.
JJ's point isn't that the Raptors aren't bad in the playoffs, it's that the Raptors aren't JUST bad "in the playoffs". It's that they were never that great to begin with, despite a 59 win season.
His point is that if you're paying attention to their regular season results in-depth (for instance, start with their 24-21 record against teams above .500 vs 35-2 against sub .500, and you would have seen going into the playoffs that their 59 wins were a bit of a mirage) then you would have been able to predict their playoff results to begin with, because their results should have been expected. (Which they were this year). He'll, if you were paying attention you would even take note that many of those 24 wins against +.500 teams came when they were missing key players (CPaul against Houston, Kyrie or hurt Kyrie against Bos, Cavs with IT on the floor) and that they likely would have a losing record against the +.500 group if they hadn't been so lucky.
You guys are so busy ready to jump on anything this guy posts (because he's obtuse and obnoxious) that you don't even take a moment to figure out what he's actually saying.
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Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
FFS, do I have to step in again?
Either learn to play nice, or just learn to ignore each other. I'm getting tired of moderating the NBA threads for stupid reasons.
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This thread really is quite sad for what I'm presuming is a group of adults and not adolescents.
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On May 07 2018 02:17 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 13:26 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
the raptors playing badly in the playoffs is not a myth despite your silly opinion. just stop.
facts shows its true. facts.
you can make excuses about injuries and everything and cry but you cant argue with facts. Jesus, reading comprehension please. JJ's point isn't that the Raptors aren't bad in the playoffs, it's that the Raptors aren't JUST bad "in the playoffs". It's that they were never that great to begin with, despite a 59 win season. His point is that if you're paying attention to their regular season results in-depth (for instance, start with their 24-21 record against teams above .500 vs 35-2 against sub .500, and you would have seen going into the playoffs that their 59 wins were a bit of a mirage) then you would have been able to predict their playoff results to begin with, because their results should have been expected. (Which they were this year). He'll, if you were paying attention you would even take note that many of those 24 wins against +.500 teams came when they were missing key players (CPaul against Houston, Kyrie or hurt Kyrie against Bos, Cavs with IT on the floor) and that they likely would have a losing record against the +.500 group if they hadn't been so lucky. You guys are so busy ready to jump on anything this guy posts (because he's obtuse and obnoxious) that you don't even take a moment to figure out what he's actually saying.
i know the context and i work in sports data analysis by profession so i know the numbers.
problem is that the statement is inherently problematic and people whi make this generalizations weasel their way out of arguments by redefining the parameters.
iirc this is the same guy who argued about apm who cant even answer when i asked pop questions about regression variables and operative elements in the apm formula.
maybe im taking an extreme attitude about it but i would rather just shut down any argument against trolls than try to correct them.
about the topic at face value you can conflate a lot of variables or justifications about playoffs performance. if we go this way there will allbest be arguments with statistical basis about that spurs is the best team there is, that clevelands win in 2016 should be dismissed, that battier should have been goat and highest paid player.
but data is data. toronto underperforms during playoffs. are they a good high rank team or a bad high rank team? that is beside the point because first there are teams with negative records who win playoffs matchup but we never mention this. second we have to set specific parameters to playoff performance discussion or else we will end up discussing what derozan ate for breakfast as a factor in performance.
so do the raptors perform badly during playoffs? yes. period.
are there factors why they perform badly? another topic to be discussed with honest people who know data and dont sleaze their way out when proven wrong.
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On May 07 2018 10:46 JimmiC wrote:
Chris Paul is carving up the Jazz tonight, he is ballin! He is living up to the Point God name.
also cp3 is nearing the end of his peak.
he may continue to be good beyond it, but now and the next 2-3 years is his best window to win a ring
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On May 07 2018 11:07 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
so do the raptors perform badly during playoffs? yes. period.
are there factors why they perform badly? another topic to be discussed with honest people who know data and dont sleaze their way out when proven wrong.
Honest people know there need not be any discussion beyond two numbers:
6'0"
&
6'7"*
*Not that people really believe this number.
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On May 07 2018 13:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2018 11:07 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
so do the raptors perform badly during playoffs? yes. period.
are there factors why they perform badly? another topic to be discussed with honest people who know data and dont sleaze their way out when proven wrong. Honest people know there need not be any discussion beyond two numbers: 6'0" & 6'7"* *Not that people really believe this number.
I'm assuming you're talking about Rap's 6' and 5'11" point guards, is the 6'7" LeBron? DeRozan?
In any case, it's tough when 2 of your most reliable players are 6' tall against the current best player standing at 6'8" and desperate to win. It's tough as well when you don't have a single legitimate superstar in a league where one player can lift the team on his back and carry them kicking and screaming into the finals.
OG put up a valiant effort defending LeBron though. Pretty impressive from the rookie. But LeBron gonna LeBron, what can you do?
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On May 07 2018 21:03 JimmiC wrote:
The thing with Lebron is just not height, there is others as tall as him. It is his strength, height, speed, and explosiveness all wrapped into one. Then on top of that he is skilled as Chris Paul. It is amazing when you are watching the game and he stands beside JV or Ibaka or any PF or Center and he looks as big or bigger.
Where do you place Casey in all of this?
All season he's been hyped as COTY, but I don't see anything coach-y thing going the Raptors' way in this.
I mean as a point of comparison look at Stevens.
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