EPTNBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 40
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Twinkle Toes
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JimmyJRaynor
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 On November 29 2017 08:41 Twinkle Toes wrote: Rockets are lit! with Kyrie Irving believing/observing the earth is flat how ironic would it be if Irving meets the ( fake space ) Rockets in the finals? actually i don't want to misquote Mr. Irving. I think his exact phrasing is "i observe the earth is flat this is not about belief". | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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We'll see if he can keep it going though. its only 20 games into the season https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/7g3ulw/what_is_wrong_with_minnesotas_defense/?st=jakf7utb&sh=c59d691c as you can see by the responses in the timberwolves forum no one is disputing Wiggins effort on defense and defensive prowess last season was horrid. its an accepted fact. its time to move on. The most upvoted post about Towns' defense turned out to be this one: Towns frequently over hedges in PnR situations leaving his man open on the role. Not sure if this is coming from Thibs, but KAT seems to stay on the PG for too long, losing valuable recovery time on his big man rolling to the hoop. At that point its too late for any help to come over either. KAT also chases just about every block he is able to. He will get one occasionally, but not with enough consistency to justify it. This leaves him grossly out of position for rebounds, leading to easy put backs. If the shot doesn't go up, it's usually getting dished to his man, who is now wide open because KAT over-committed to the ball handler. He can't guard centers that are bigger than him. I'll reference a two game stretch vs Drummond and Howard. He was getting bullied in the post. DET/CHA would iso their bigs against him and it was free cake. There were also a ton of offensive rebounds given up in those games. KATs length and size should help, but he still needs to do some strengthening. Lower body is especially important for holding post position. Those are a few things I've noticed in watching the games. They are all fixable. It comes down to communication and discipline on defense. Talk to your guard in PnR situations. Don't leave your feet on defense. The third is just time in the weight room. If KAT really wants to be great, which I think he does, he will have to sure up these issues. i think its a solid analysis. Regarding tonight's game. I think Jones can replace Teague's minutes quite nicely. However, Jones minutes can't be replaced adequately by Brooks when Teague is unavailable. Jones, once again, is playing some mean defense tonight. and the Minnesota broadcast team is doing a nice job identifying that and breaking it down. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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Bench Points in Washington//Minnie tonight its 49-11 for Washington. The bench guys replacing the bench minutes taht Tyus Jones and Bjelica play.. are just are not getting it done. the difference between Minnie's 2nd and 3rd string PG is huge. On November 29 2017 11:39 JimmiC wrote: My opinion on wiggins, is his effort is similar, his results are better and I believe that has a lot to do with how his assignments have changed and how the talent around him has gone up. the Timberwolves broadcasting team totally disagrees with you. They call him the most improved player on the team even though his offense is worse. They award some of that improvement due to better hustle on the defensive end. I agree with Minnie's broadcasting guys and pretty much every defense metric i've quoted in the past. to quote bill russell : "hustle is a skill because not everybody does it" i'd rate the defensive performance by Wiggins tonight as average/"ok". Washington is a weak offensive team without Wall and Minnesota, as a team, defended "ok" and Wiggins was "ok". On offense, 5-15 shooting and 1 for 5 from 3 doesn't cut it. Wiggins created a little bit with a couple of nifty passes resulting in easy baskets. His other 2 assists were gifted due to the scorer makign a great play. His shot selection was poor. Wiggins offensive performance was below average. Thus, Wiggins overall performance tonight was below average. Which is not surprising because he is a below average basketball player. Minnesota is really hurting from not having a D-League team these last few years. Its like 1 injury to any rotation player and they're fucked. Their roster is razor thin. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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Could you run the stats down for me, specifically the starting 5 of the Wolves in a specific game. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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you sent that PM to the wrong Jimmy. Here is a look at the NBA's Small Forwards this year in terms of Total Points Added on Offense and Total Points Saved on Defense. There is my buddy Kyle Anderson with the most points saved on defense of all small forwards. Jayson Tatum is having a big year. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/M9gMgBg.jpg) | ||
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Twinkle Toes
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But by all means, internet space is free, we'll just ignore you unless you are reasonable with your post. And my question still stands, all NBA experts value Wiggins and KAT. How come you arrive at a different conclusion. Is your method and knowledge better than theirs? | ||
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cLutZ
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JimmyJRaynor
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On November 29 2017 14:22 cLutZ wrote: So I was watching this and it struck me how much skinnier NBA rookies are now. Not really less muscular, but less beefy. IMO its partially younger rookies, and partially indicative of how much more cardio-oriented the NBA is now. i think its a good change. the general direction the league has taken the past 15 years has been good. i like the philosophy behind the officiating now. imo, the game is better to watch compared to 15 years ago. On November 29 2017 14:03 Twinkle Toes wrote: I think I speak for everyone that we are not interested in the things you post here, especially because you dont understand them yourself. But by all means, internet space is free, we'll just ignore you unless you are reasonable with your post. And my question still stands, all NBA experts value Wiggins and KAT. How come you arrive at a different conclusion. Is your method and knowledge better than theirs? for the 2nd time, its covered in my previous posts. if u r interested in my thoughts on this.. do a search. | ||
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Ace
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On November 29 2017 14:03 Twinkle Toes wrote: I think I speak for everyone that we are not interested in the things you post here, especially because you dont understand them yourself. But by all means, internet space is free, we'll just ignore you unless you are reasonable with your post. And my question still stands, all NBA experts value Wiggins and KAT. How come you arrive at a different conclusion. Is your method and knowledge better than theirs? For one Simmons isn't an expert at player evaluation. He's a sensationalist. He actually doesn't know shit. Morey and Lowe saying Wiggins has value doesn't mean they are saying Wiggins is GOOD. Many front office people still salivate over PPG and these also tend to be the worst FOs. Morey definitely isn't going gaga over Wiggins scoring. | ||
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cLutZ
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On November 29 2017 14:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think its a good change. the general direction the league has taken the past 15 years has been good. i like the philosophy behind the officiating now. imo, the game is better to watch compared to 15 years ago. Its good and bad. On the good side I do think its easier to show skill and there are fewer pure "enforcers" like Ben Wallace, Oakley, etc. On the other hand, the 3 Point shot is a disease, and is the most boring play in basketball aside from the pathetic flop by a player with the ball, both have gone up significantly. IMO the fixes are easy for the NBA, but IDK if they will do them. #1 Eliminate the short corner 3 and just have it always be 23'9'' (or go to 24') and just make it so there is no corner 3. #2 Is letting coaches have "silent challenges" to flops (or auto reviews of every foul call). This means that, the initial foul is not reviewed (the player gets the FTs for example), however, if the NY office determines there was a flop, the flopper is given a technical at the next stoppage of play, and the opposing team gets 3 FTs + possession. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On November 29 2017 15:30 cLutZ wrote: Its good and bad. On the good side I do think its easier to show skill and there are fewer pure "enforcers" like Ben Wallace, Oakley, etc. On the other hand, the 3 Point shot is a disease, and is the most boring play in basketball aside from the pathetic flop by a player with the ball, both have gone up significantly. IMO the fixes are easy for the NBA, but IDK if they will do them. #1 Eliminate the short corner 3 and just have it always be 23'9'' (or go to 24') and just make it so there is no corner 3. #2 Is letting coaches have "silent challenges" to flops (or auto reviews of every foul call). This means that, the initial foul is not reviewed (the player gets the FTs for example), however, if the NY office determines there was a flop, the flopper is given a technical at the next stoppage of play, and the opposing team gets 3 FTs + possession. flopping is a very tough issue to get right every time.. but this after the play idea would help. i've noticed Derozan and Lowry are not getting nearly as many of those BS ticky-tack fouls on "shots". Lowry feels someone and he just instinctively jumps up. This change has probably impacted Harden a lot as well, but i don't watch him play. when Derozan and Lowry were piling up those calls the last few years i always thought it was BS and kinda dumb. So i'm glad they are calling less of those silly fouls. Bet you Harden fans don't like it though. On November 29 2017 10:48 JimmiC wrote: ("Is Kyle Korver really the second best SG in the league? I need to investigate." i already covered the case of players who play limited minutes. you can't compare a guy who plays 32+ minutes as a starter to a bench player like Korver who plays 21 minutes a game. i explained it with the curious case of Kyle Anderson. You can't directly compare Demar Derozan to Kyle Korver. You can only compare Korver to other limited minutes bench players. Likewise, you can only compare Derozan to other 32+ minute-a-game starters. Comparing Korver to Derozan using this metric would be like trying to use ERA to compare a baseball starting pitcher to a lefty side armer relief specialist who throws 2 innings a week. The manager carefully hand picks who the side arming lefty will face... The Starting pitcher faces everyone all the time. NBA coaches want to win so they protect their weaker non-starting players by using them judiciously throughout a game. A million relievers have a better ERA than Nolan Ryan's 3.19. ERA is useful for comparing starters against other starters and relievers against other relievers. Same applies with Real Plus Minus. Real Plus Minus is good for comparing starters against other starters of the same position. Bench players versus other bench players of the same position. The bigger the difference in minutes played between the 2 players you are trying to compare... the weaker the comparison is. Although OG Anunoby has the best RPM of any Raptor small forward he only plays 19 minutes per game. So we can't say for certain he is truly the best. Everything is very encouraging though.. both with the eye-test and with all metrics including ESPN RPM. Therefore, the most prudent course of action for Coach Casey is to experiment with larger #s of minutes and give OG increasingly difficult assignments LIKE GUARDING HARDEN ! ! ! and see what happens. If he continues to produce at the rate he has been at 18 minutes a game.. keep on increasing his work load. Start him a few times. i project OGs # of minutes per game to rise this year above the ~18.5 minutes he is getting now. | ||
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cLutZ
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If you just remove 100% of the "is this a flop" decision making from refs they can call the game much better and it will shape player behavior away from flops. By making it 3 FTs and a tech you guarantee that it is always a net negative to flop. Players, once they get caught flopping a few times in the regular season (and you should enforce this doubly in the playoffs) will simply stop flopping, and you will see a massive increase in fan satisfaction with refereeing (which is at an all time low because of replay). It is kind of like the NFL. They should re-write the catch rule to say "the ball can never touch the ground unless you have taken 3 steps or it is not a catch" because that eliminates the entire "IDK what a catch is anymore" problem. Its a self-created problem by the NFL, because everyone knows what a catch is, IT MEANS THE THING YOU TRIED TO CATCH DOESN'T HIT THE FUCKING GROUND. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Twinkle Toes
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On November 29 2017 16:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ah cool. thanks for the insights. my only officiating experience was as a baseball umpire so i never dealt with flopping. Wow you're also a baseball umpire? Baseball is such a good sport for advanced stats | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On November 29 2017 15:11 Ace wrote: For one Simmons isn't an expert at player evaluation. He's a sensationalist. He actually doesn't know shit. Morey and Lowe saying Wiggins has value doesn't mean they are saying Wiggins is GOOD. Many front office people still salivate over PPG and these also tend to be the worst FOs. Morey definitely isn't going gaga over Wiggins scoring. I agree with you on Simmons. But Lowe said Wiggins is a late bloomer, but is superstar material. Even Morey said Wiggins could be a great part of a championship team, including Rockets. They don't have to literally say he is good for you to know what they mean. | ||
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JimmiC
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