EPTNBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 13
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MassHysteria
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
Hell, when I was 19 (13 years ago) I fucked up my wrist working for Pizza Hut because I wasn't using the pan-grippers with any respect for the stress they were putting on my wrist. One day, months later (after grabbing thousands of items off the top oven conveyor) my wrist started to ache all the time. I was eventually able to stop the pain in a couple of weeks by cleaning up my technique when grabbing pans off the top oven. It took years for the pain to go away completely and my wrist still clicks a bit even though the pain is gone. In that case, it was repetitive stress caused by poor mechanics that led to my chronic wrist-pain (and long-term issues that will probably become arthritis in the coming years). That said, an injury could cause a player with "perfect mechanics" to change their technique to compensate for the pain, and the new technique could lead to future injuries. It causes a bit of a chicken and egg argument but I would wager that the % effect of "Poor mechanics leads to injuries" vs "Injuries led to poor mechanics" could depend on the specific circumstances of the individual player in question. In Kobe's case, I would wager that primarily, the cause of his initial injuries were from the wear and tear of years and years of first-option NBA basketball, but I wouldn't completely discount that compensating to relieve pain could have led to (more) later injuries as he got older. That all said... To hold mechanics as the apparent be-all, end-all reason for chronic injuries, I would need to see much more in-depth and empirical evidence than cherry-picked clips of some of a player's mechanical habits. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27180 Posts
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board | ||
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andrewlt
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JimmiC
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On October 13 2017 12:54 Manifesto7 wrote: A read on the first step Kerr took in remaking the GSW offense. It involved an airport bar and cranberries on defense. http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseWarriors/how-steve-kerr-revolutionized-golden-state-warriors-offense-charcuterie-board This is what's called "mythologizing". | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
still no timetable for Leonard's return and the magic word still is "tendinopathy". as much as it sucks to hear "no timetable" this is the right approach to allow Leonard to heal. its not a bone fracture with a scheduled heal time. why do tendons take so long to heal? + Show Spoiler + a tendon connects muscle to bone. therefore, it must be as strong as the muscle because it carries the same load and right where the tendon meets the bone is where the most shock occurs. Problem is that a tendon is very small compared to a muscle. How do you have a tendon be just as strong as muscle while being much smaller? well you can not have weak strucures in it. Blood vessels are , relatively speaking, very weak structures. THere are very few blood vessels in a tendon. This means low circulation to the tendon. Low circulation means much slower healing because bringin oxygen and healing agents to the injured area is a much slower process. In conclusion: tendons take a long time to heal due to low circulation. On October 12 2017 10:00 JimmiC wrote: As ive asked many times pick one player with bad "landing mechanics" and pick them out before a major injury and ill believe. Nowitski never lands on two feet and hes healthy as a horse. Its easy to make up a cause after the fact. you realize Embiid and the 76ers have acknowledged his landing mechanics are bad and they spent a lot of time before nad during training camp attempting to improve them. http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2017/09/sixers_joel_embiid_i_dont_think_ill_play_82_games.html "We've been working a lot on landing," Embiid said. "There's some stuff I need to correct this year." in Embiid's opening interview for training camp he spent about 90 seconds yapping about it. Embiid's landing mechanics were bad last year. Any hardcore 76ers fan knows this by watching him play. The org has acknowledged it and is attempting corrective action. as usual, "By Any Means Basketball" was correct. good call by them. case closed. On October 12 2017 10:00 JimmiC wrote: As ive asked many times pick one player with bad "landing mechanics" and pick them out before a major injury and ill believe. Nowitski never lands on two feet and hes healthy as a horse. Its easy to make up a cause after the fact. that's the team's job. they have an orthopeadic team. However, Colangelo's track record in managing player injuries is not exactly stellar. Embiid had to announce he probably can't go 82 games after Colangelo spent the entire summer claiming there is no reason Embiid can't play every game. Colangelo hung Bosh out to dry over a knee injury as well. What a dick. Nowitski never lands on 2 legs? i disagree. you should add a qualification to your statement. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
On October 14 2017 12:45 JimmiC wrote: And the bigger joke was Kobe. Also i love how you cherry pick my posts its a skill. you helped my case by watching his highest scoring games before his 3rd right knee operation. showing that at 1 time his mechanics in the past Kobe's mechanics solid. Just go to Youtube and check out any game from 2010 until his ruptured achilles and you'll see what "By Any Means Basketball" was talking about. They nailed it. Just like they nailed the Embiid thing. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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+ Show Spoiler + you are speculating on how i feel? ok man. thx for the laugh. there is a time limit on discussing 4+ year old achilles tears? ok guy. i stated my case. i've added nothing. so why bother posting. the games are there to view after his 3rd right knee op. when i'm watching basketball on my PC i'm in the thread. when i'm not watching basketball on my PC i'm not in the thread. there probably was not a lot of basketball going on when i "disappeared". you will notice i was in the playoffs and finals thread.. where you know.. actual basketball is being played. the kobe thing is done and its 4+ years old. back to 2017: watching Simmons and Embiid pass the ball to each other is hilarious.. they can see over so many guys. i find it hard to believe the Raptors will attempt to execute their offense in any way that even vaguely resembles what they were doing during training camp. if Casey can get them to play successfully this "positionless" basketball with Lowry and Derozan handling the ball less... i'll be impressed. in 5 pre-season games the Raptors attempted 208 3s  | ||
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RowdierBob
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On October 14 2017 13:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote: kobe for the 10th time? LOL. + Show Spoiler + you are speculating on how i feel? ok man. thx for the laugh. there is a time limit on discussing 4+ year old achilles tears? ok guy. i stated my case. i've added nothing. so why bother posting. the games are there to view after his 3rd right knee op. when i'm watching basketball on my PC i'm in the thread. when i'm not watching basketball on my PC i'm not in the thread. there probably was not a lot of basketball going on when i "disappeared". you will notice i was in the playoffs and finals thread.. where you know.. actual basketball is being played. the kobe thing is done and its 4+ years old. back to 2017: watching Simmons and Embiid pass the ball to each other is hilarious.. they can see over so many guys. i find it hard to believe the Raptors will attempt to execute their offense in any way that even vaguely resembles what they were doing during training camp. if Casey can get them to play successfully this "positionless" basketball with Lowry and Derozan handling the ball less... i'll be impressed. in 5 pre-season games the Raptors attempted 208 3s I watched the game last night, nearly spilled my drink when I saw Derozan slash through the key and ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶t̶ pass the ball to the guy (Miles?) standing in the corner for a 3. I heard instead of cranberries and almonds, Casey used real Quebec cheese curds and overcooked french fries to illustrate his offense to some kid working the cash register at Smoke's. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
On October 14 2017 23:12 Nemireck wrote: is that a Chuck Swirsky reference? I watched the game last night, nearly spilled my drink when I saw Derozan slash through the key and ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶e̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶t̶ pass the ball to the guy (Miles?) standing in the corner for a 3. I heard instead of cranberries and almonds, Casey used real Quebec cheese curds and overcooked french fries to illustrate his offense to some kid working the cash register at Smoke's. Chris Paul and Demar Derozan have the best mid range games in the NBA. During this pre-season they combined to take less than 5 mid range jump shots through 10 games. Paul took 0. The mid-range game is going the way of the Dinosaur. Derozan was a pretty good play maker last year and got a chance to show his skills a bit when Lowry got hurt. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On October 15 2017 05:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: is that a Chuck Swirsky reference? No, it's a reference to that article about Steve Kerr's offense a few posts up. Chris Paul and Demar Derozan have the best mid range games in the NBA. During this pre-season they combined to take less than 5 mid range jump shots through 10 games. Paul took 0. The mid-range game is going the way of the Dinosaur. Derozan was a pretty good play maker last year and got a chance to show his skills a bit when Lowry got hurt. I'd expect to see their mid-range numbers go up in the regular season when games start to count and they fall behind in games. It's really hard to eliminate old habits. Especially since Derozan can't hit the 3, I've heard and read he's been working on it but I've seen nothing that indicates to me his long-range shooting is any better this season. That said, if Derozan plays a little less selfishly when things get tough in his sweet zone, the Raptors will see a lot of success as long as SOMEONE can start hitting those 3's (I've liked what I've seen of CJ so far). If Derozan could average 6 or 7 assists a game instead of 3-4, I think that's where we'll see his biggest improvement as a player. He's averaging 5 through the preseason while playing like 23 minutes, so I'm hoping that's what he's REALLY been working on instead of his 3's. EDIT: And his defense. FFS Derozan, PLEASE start trying on Defense! | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I keep thinking it would be fun to have a stream or a superchat where we took the major arguments of TL Off-Topic and had them duke it out. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18050 Posts
On October 16 2017 01:44 Nemireck wrote: And his defense. FFS Derozan, PLEASE start trying on Defense! i pretty much agree with this reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/76cely/derozans_defence/doczy3h/ It's mostly an effort thing with him. He does not want to compete on that end. He dies on screens, and watch if he gets switched up on a big. He just basically gives up. It's a mindset thing. Like Russ is not a great defender by any stretch, but watch if he gets switched on a big he almost takes it personally and fights for every inch. I think that mindset of competing or not on that end does not really change. i disagree with the last sentence. DD could decide to fight as hard as Lowry or Wright or Van Vleet. DD's effort this pre-season has been better. I wonder if he'll keep up his defensive effort during games where he does a lot of work on the offensive end. | ||
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bdonballer
United States408 Posts
On October 16 2017 02:00 Jerubaal wrote: I prefer Bill Swerski. I keep thinking it would be fun to have a stream or a superchat where we took the major arguments of TL Off-Topic and had them duke it out. You'd have to PPV that shit! | ||
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JimmiC
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