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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Do you think the "DNP or play massive minutes" strategy might also be related to individual awards and how it's better for players to retain high averages? Personally I don't really think so, but is it a ridiculous hypothesis or does it make some sense? Edit: In the end my guess is that it still takes quite a physical and mental toll for these guys to even play a non-negligible amount of minutes each game, regardless of the actual amount. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
When the Warriors went on their shit streak, they played 8 games in 13 nights with 6 of them being nationally televised. In the second week, they played a Monday game in Atlanta (after a Sunday game in New York), then a Wednesday home game back in Oakland, then a Friday game in Minnesota then a Saturday game in San Antonio. After the Minnesota game, they were going to arrive in San Antonio at 3 am in the morning. That's the reason Kerr decided to sit his heavy minute players. It's just a terrible schedule for a nationally televised game. We're early on the new CBA and the new tv contracts. The NBA and the television partners clearly did not talk to the teams involved when doing the national tv schedule. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17002 Posts
 i think ibaka fucked up his wrist/hand when he connected on his punch... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 22 2017 00:52 JimmiC wrote: I get that, but that is also why salaries went up so much with the last CBA. And the TV partners who paid record amounts want to get what they paid for. You can't be like sure pay me this insane amount of money but then were not going to deliver our best product. Like who wants to watch the cavs minus there big three, or GSW without the splash bros. The problem is greed, no one is willing to give up money for better working conditions. Indeed. And the real issue is the Owners are not cutting into that 82 game schedule if there isnt a cash tradeoff. People can complain all they want but the Teams have a financial incentive to win a championship. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 22 2017 01:56 MassHysteria wrote: Silver (or someone) said they would add games to the schedule next season in order to reduce their back-to-backs. Next on the priority will/should be eliminating the 4-games-in-5-nights. They won't be reducing amount of games ($ like jimmic said) and I see it being hard to eliminate even pre-season games, but they could look into that. They definitely should not schedule nationally-televised games on team's back-to-back. And if a team does have a back-to-back, try to make it for the home teams. The other thing that the league and Silver would be doing if they are able to work better schedules is that they will put the ball back in the players' court. Right now a lot of fans are siding with the players because it mostly makes sense with the league's scheduling. But if they rework a more player-friendly schedule and the players still decide to sit out due to rest, more fans will be shifting the blame to the players. Of course they can always just make up some injury if they really want to... Outside of Lebron none of those guys are really making that call. The team does. And even Lebron himself does it rarely. Of course fans dont give a fuck that the Cavs had Kyrie and Love banged up, Lebron leads the league in minutes and that they were in their 5th game in 8 nights. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On March 23 2017 00:28 Ace wrote: Outside of Lebron none of those guys are really making that call. The team does. And even Lebron himself does it rarely. Of course fans dont give a fuck that the Cavs had Kyrie and Love banged up, Lebron leads the league in minutes and that they were in their 5th game in 8 nights. Nor should the fans in attendance have to take that into consideration. They just want to see the game they paid for, not be a basketball-junkie looking over the schedules for their team and opponents of future games. Or even follow it as closely as most of us do on here to know all this. It ultimately does come down on the league to fix their product. There are still many pro-player fans on this issue though. And after changing to a player-friendly schedule, they will hardly have an argument. Even if some players might not be in control, their willingness will still have a lot of influence. Like you said, fans don't care why they are out. And if outside forces are making them sit out in a player-friendly schedule next season, I am sure they will let their desire be more strongly known. Specially if the clamors from fans become louder. Also, are there really fans who believed lebron this week when he said Coach Lue made him sit out? If he really wanted to play, he would have played. I am not even against him for sitting out or for answering the way he did, just thought it was funny when I heard it. I was listening to Cowherd, and Nick Wright made a great pitch on how to fix the issue of players sitting out big games. He said that when two teams meet in the playoffs, make the team that won the regular season match-up have home-court advantage. So Cavs-warrriors, warriors-spurs, all those games will mean something (unless a team just decides to punt home-court anyways ofc). But I kinda like it as a starting point. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Teams have to protect their best interest and fans have to undertand it. This isnt new. If you dont want to be informed as to when a team will sit players then too bad, you arent entitled and should do the research. The NBA is correct in that teams should be informing the league office about it way in advance. But lets stop pretending this is about integrity and being honest tp fans when they only give a fuck because its Lebron or the Warriors. That entitled greed is exactly why I hope it becomes a thing just like in soccer. Lebron is at the top of the league in minutes. I doubt he was gonna play unless he really, really wanted to. When fans and dumb media members started making RINGZZZZ a major part of player legacy, resting during the regular season in an era that has players doing so much on the court relative to older eras was an obvious result. The league is going to rightfully find a way to make their sponsors happy and it starts with the scheduling of primetime games. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
The obsession by fans and certain media members about RINGZZZZ and legacy plays a major part in this. Tim Duncan won 5 rings and was far more effective for a longer period of time than everybody in league history. Nobody was that effective playing at such an advanced age. He was still among the best defenders in the league last season. And that's due to how well Pop managed his minutes. You can't praise that while condemning what was done to achieve it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 23 2017 04:30 andrewlt wrote: The league and its broadcast partners just need to not be dumb about scheduling. They know that fans want to see the same teams like the Cavs or the Warriors. But if you give them a crap schedule trying to fit too many of their games in a national tv schedule, then of course they're going to sit some of those games. The obsession by fans and certain media members about RINGZZZZ and legacy plays a major part in this. Tim Duncan won 5 rings and was far more effective for a longer period of time than everybody in league history. Nobody was that effective playing at such an advanced age. He was still among the best defenders in the league last season. And that's due to how well Pop managed his minutes. You can't praise that while condemning what was done to achieve it. Bingo | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
8D On March 23 2017 04:09 Ace wrote: Thats a stupid idea by Nick Wright. Well if it is, it's not because of that...I still can really only think of one flaw with it that might/might not be fixable. And it seems like you are more against the fan's reactions than anything? To me that just is what it is...if players have the right to sit games for rest, fans have the right to complain about it. It's a two-way street. It's more about why the league had/has taken so long to do something about it. When fans and dumb media members started making RINGZZZZ a major part of player legacy, resting during the regular season in an era that has players doing so much on the court relative to older eras was an obvious result. I mean even if that is true and players do that much more on the court than before, the resting has more to do with a better understanding by scientists/doctors on the effects the schedule has on the body than anything else. ofc it also doesn't take a scientist to see how tough schedules have affected a team's w-l record throughout past and current seasons.I do agree with your other stuff on the league and about the informing of absences by the teams (minus the soccer thing which I don't really get). @andrewlt don't disagree with anything really...the scheduling of games is finally going to be changed and is late to do so in the minds of many. Will be interesting to see if/how they adjust for the "little things" like that in their scheduling system/software. I also agree with the media/fan obsession with rings and actually heard Gottlieb bring that up on Cowherd earlier(yes I drove a grip today). Bringing up Duncan leads us to the real problem, which is that the league took too long to do something when this has been happening for years. More teams are only doing it now b/c they have seen it works with Pop. The only logical solution is to follow suit of a successful formula. And it's on the superintendent and his crew to do something about it (suhh clutz), which I do think everyone here agrees on. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17002 Posts
There was some yap about Kobe's injuries and their cause. This is a good historical look at Kobe's injury issues. Ibaka and Lopez got 1 game each. Toronto dodged a bullet ... they were probably going to lose to Miami any way. Miami curb-stomped them a couple of weeks ago. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 23 2017 06:55 MassHysteria wrote: Am I supposed to read RINGZZZZ in a Stephen A. Smith voice? 8D Well if it is, it's not because of that...I still can really only think of one flaw with it that might/might not be fixable. And it seems like you are more against the fan's reactions than anything? To me that just is what it is...if players have the right to sit games for rest, fans have the right to complain about it. It's a two-way street. It's more about why the league had/has taken so long to do something about it. I mean even if that is true and players do that much more on the court than before, the resting has more to do with a better understanding by scientists/doctors on the effects the schedule has on the body than anything else. ofc it also doesn't take a scientist to see how tough schedules have affected a team's w-l record throughout past and current seasons. I do agree with your other stuff on the league and about the informing of absences by the teams (minus the soccer thing which I don't really get). @andrewlt don't disagree with anything really...the scheduling of games is finally going to be changed and is late to do so in the minds of many. Will be interesting to see if/how they adjust for the "little things" like that in their scheduling system/software. I also agree with the media/fan obsession with rings and actually heard Gottlieb bring that up on Cowherd earlier(yes I drove a grip today). Bringing up Duncan leads us to the real problem, which is that the league took too long to do something when this has been happening for years. More teams are only doing it now b/c they have seen it works with Pop. The only logical solution is to follow suit of a successful formula. And it's on the superintendent and his crew to do something about it (suhh clutz), which I do think everyone here agrees on. It's not just the fans' anger, its that its directed at the players. These are decisions from the teams and ownership being handed down. Hence why Adam Silver is talking to them and not the NBAPA. Many ppl are using this as an excuse to bash the players for other reasons that largely have to do with their perception of laziness. It's also not a two way street with players and fans(more so owners/fans). The fans dont have a right to do anything. If you dont like it - vote with your wallet and stop paying. Saying someone has the right to do something that concerns another persons well being when they arent even informed about what players and teams do on a day to day basis is ignorant and dangerous. The league in general never gave a shit because no one else did: until marquee players and teams did it one too many times. The soccer thing was a reference to soccer teams sitting players which seems to be widely accepted in Europe. And yes I think we can all agree something needed to be done. Quality of prime time games is as important as having them anyway. But if Lebron gets injured playing a game in late March you can bet fans and dumb media guys will turn around and blame the league for pressuring guys to play. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17002 Posts
Knee surgery for Joel Embiid is said to be "very likely" now. So i guess they tried non-surgical rehab and that didn't work. Judging by how long this took it appears they exhausted every avenue before deciding to cut. As noted earlier if they do the sew up and repair of the cartilage then its a 4 to 6 month rest. if its shaving down the damaged cartilage then he'll be ready to begin rehab in a week. Remember how this started as a "day 2 day" injury with Embiid engaging in full practises. The Philly media is never going to forget it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17002 Posts
go outside and find a patch of concrete. Jump 12 inches in the air and land on 1 leg heel first. Do that 10 times fast on the same leg. Then for added fun do 10 more with your knee locked. Lemme know how that goes. its pretty funny how you've tried to claim i've never played sports and you think basic stuff like this is some kind of advanced science. On March 23 2017 07:49 JimmiC wrote: It is also EXTREMELY clear that you watched this video then "came up" or wanted us to think you "came up" with the whole landing mechanics causing Kobe's injury shit. this is me acknowledging i'm not the only guy to notice this... so guy ... quit misquoting me and making up bullshit... i made this quote shortly before a more detailed discussion began. On March 18 2017 04:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: notice how he lands on his fade-aways and many other shots on his left foot only and often heel first. some say this was the catalyst for his left knee problems. bad landing mechanics are a good predictor of future injuries. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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JimmiC
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