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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
December 28 2016 21:58 GMT
#381
How did Derozan go from being the Sergei Berezin of Basketball into a decent playmaker? i watched Derozan at the start of his career and he had zero playmaking ability. none. now he is solid. I look at Wiggins attempts at playmaking and the ways he handles passes and views the floor ... and to me .. i see Derozan at age 22. that's just me... its subjective.. but that's what i see.

because he can space the floor more than Derozan he could become a better play maker than DD. As long as he has decent players around him and a proper offensive gameplan look for Wiggins to average 4 assists a game in 3 years time.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 28 2016 22:01 GMT
#382
DeRozan was an unwlling passer interested in getting points. Wiggins is unwilling and fails at it when he tries. He also doesn't rebound and his defense is very bad. Maybe if he had some other facet outside of scoring there would be hope but might as well sell high for something that will be better than an average NBA player. As it is Wiggins is the 5th best player on the team (being generous).

On another note

Holy shit George Karl is out of control

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Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-28 22:16:35
December 28 2016 22:14 GMT
#383
what i saw was Derozan confused by the pace of the game at age 22 so he just shot the ball. i think Wiggins is in a similar position with how he is processing the game. Now, DD and AW are very different players; how they improve will be different. i think their 1 area of similarity is their play making. Just as Derozan improved by leaps and bounds from age 22 to today.. so to will Wiggins. it is rare for an NBA player to peak at age 22.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 28 2016 22:17 GMT
#384
It's also rare for an NBA player that's started off this bad to reach the superstar level/hype that many still see in him.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 28 2016 23:09 GMT
#385
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 28 2016 23:40 GMT
#386
Good things those averages tell the whole story
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
December 29 2016 00:09 GMT
#387
To paraphrase family guy:

Players: Listen, I got one thing in this world and that's complaining about calls after the game.

NBA: But I thought you wanted us to be more transparent in our officiating?

Players: Yeah, well I liked complaining about it more than I liked you telling us about it.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2016 00:19 GMT
#388
On December 29 2016 09:09 Jerubaal wrote:
To paraphrase family guy:

Players: Listen, I got one thing in this world and that's complaining about calls after the game.

NBA: But I thought you wanted us to be more transparent in our officiating?

Players: Yeah, well I liked complaining about it more than I liked you telling us about it.


Players are just trying to suck up to the refs. The 2 minute reports are below the minimum of what the NBA should be doing.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-29 00:45:58
December 29 2016 00:39 GMT
#389
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
December 29 2016 00:56 GMT
#390
On December 29 2016 09:19 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:09 Jerubaal wrote:
To paraphrase family guy:

Players: Listen, I got one thing in this world and that's complaining about calls after the game.

NBA: But I thought you wanted us to be more transparent in our officiating?

Players: Yeah, well I liked complaining about it more than I liked you telling us about it.


Players are just trying to suck up to the refs. The 2 minute reports are below the minimum of what the NBA should be doing.


I support anything that helps us learn and get better calls. I don't support anything that's just there to assuage players' feelings, which this report seems to be.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 29 2016 01:10 GMT
#391
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-29 01:54:36
December 29 2016 01:40 GMT
#392
Wiggins athletic pedigree is off the charts. i think his dad is a former NBA player and his mom is an olympic sprinter. and he comes from a strong family so they probably drilled dedication to athletic pursuits into him.

edit: ya looked it up: mom competed in 2 olympics in track and field.. dad was a shooting guard in the NBA. does 200 metres count as a "sprint' ... i dunno. anyway andrew's mom runs really fucking fast over 200m and 400m.

DISCLAIMER: if he were not canadian i wouldn't know all this crap about him.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2016 02:26 GMT
#393
On December 29 2016 09:56 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:19 cLutZ wrote:
On December 29 2016 09:09 Jerubaal wrote:
To paraphrase family guy:

Players: Listen, I got one thing in this world and that's complaining about calls after the game.

NBA: But I thought you wanted us to be more transparent in our officiating?

Players: Yeah, well I liked complaining about it more than I liked you telling us about it.


Players are just trying to suck up to the refs. The 2 minute reports are below the minimum of what the NBA should be doing.


I support anything that helps us learn and get better calls. I don't support anything that's just there to assuage players' feelings, which this report seems to be.


Its there for the fans(gamblers), not the players. The players are just incidental. Getting better calls requires firing 90% of the referees and implementing better physical testing, which the union will not stand for. The media will then inevitably be on the refs' side like in the NFL dispute, calling out all the minor errors "replacement refs" make during the first couple seasons where they are getting up to speed.

At worst the 2 min review sets up the league to give an "objective" way of defending replacement refs in the case of a possible strike.

On December 29 2016 10:10 JimmiC wrote:
I honestly don't get the premise. What about all the fuckups in the first 46 mins? And why make it public? If anything they should do a private 48 min review and show the refs so they can improve or something. This seems just like a publicity stunt from the league to say "look we hold them responsible" without holding any one responsible.

That being said I also think it's just smart gamesmanship from the players standing up for the refs, could mean a few calls going their way!


Yes they need to do larger reviews, but 2 minutes does limit the manpower needed. The problem still lies with lack of standardization, so these last 2 min reports are actually wrong. A good example is the Draymond Green suspension/retroactive techs in last years finals. In an objective sense, they were the correct choice, in the context of the way that game (and frankly that whole series) was called, I'm not so sure that what Green did wasn't borderline normal.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 29 2016 03:04 GMT
#394
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 29 2016 03:09 GMT
#395
Excellent. Increasing his trade value against the likes of Denver is smart.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
December 29 2016 03:25 GMT
#396
So we l have the worst possible NBA refereeing scenario?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
December 29 2016 03:27 GMT
#397
the Toronto//Golden State game is free on the ESPN channel on youtube?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 29 2016 04:56 GMT
#398
On December 29 2016 12:25 Jerubaal wrote:
So we l have the worst possible NBA refereeing scenario?

No, they actually have been getting younger and better on average. Still the average ref is retiring about 10-15 years too late, and the NBA's lack of real penalties for flopping makes their jobs much harder than it should be just on the simple calling of fouls part.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 29 2016 14:10 GMT
#399
wiggins is a player that is very influenced by the coaching around him, and that ain't good. they don't have a real offense and he's been told to carry the team with iso and post plays, not ideal development
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 29 2016 15:04 GMT
#400
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