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MassHysteria
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17007 Posts
On December 29 2016 07:17 Ace wrote: It's also rare for an NBA player that's started off this bad to reach the superstar level/hype that many still see in him. true. i'm just going to use a player i'm familiar with because i have in previous posts. if he develops into Demar Derozan i think many people will be disappointed and for those people he will have not lived up to his "advanced billing"//"hype". the hype materialized for good reasons though. i outlined his parents athletic accomplishments. its probably not fun if you are a minnesota fan watching him follow the career trajectory of an above average to very good player when you were hoping for a superstar. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 30 2016 03:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: interesting food for thought. thx for posting. true. i'm just going to use a player i'm familiar with because i have in previous posts. if he develops into Demar Derozan i think many people will be disappointed and for those people he will have not lived up to his "advanced billing"//"hype". the hype materialized for good reasons though. i outlined his parents athletic accomplishments. its probably not fun if you are a minnesota fan watching him follow the career trajectory of an above average to very good player when you were hoping for a superstar. If he turns into the current DDR that would be amazing. Right now his career trajectory is a below average player. There are tons of stats that show how horrible he is so no need to go back there but this is the problem in a nuthshell: It's year 3. He plays high minutes. He still isn't producing even average levels "for a wing". I dont know what potential people see but it's not there when I look. He looks flat out lost like he has no clue what to do. However, there is one saving grace... Wiggins may be downright terrible because he's playing Small Forward. Put him at the 2 and he shows some above average promise. Thing is you cant keep overvaluing assets (The Knicks) or undervaluing talent (The Thunder). At some point someone has to make a decision before everyone else catches on. ETA: I keep mentioning year 3 because that decision has to be made soon. It's almost extension time. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17007 Posts
On December 30 2016 11:59 Ace wrote: he looks flat out lost like he has no clue what to do. at 21 DDR looked exactly the same kind of "lost" Wiggins looks. keep in mind i've watched ~75 TV minutes of Wiggins this year and 0 live minutes. in the game i watched most closely every Minnesota 21 year old looked lost when the Raptors played slow plodding 5-on-5 basketball. I've heard Thibs defensive system is difficult to learn. from your perspective do the other 21 year olds on Minnie look just as lost as Wiggins? they do to me. i wouldn't give up Wiggins yet. DDR may look good now; it was a long, slow, painstaking climb. DDR gets a little bit better every year and every October he shows up with some small new wrinkle to his game. DDR is the exact cautionary tale people should have about judging a guy when he is 21. DDR is night and day different from 6 years ago. Will Wiggins fight, scratch and claw for every inch of improvement like DDR has ? or will he marry a porn star and become a coke-head? i dunno. if u watch him a lot more closely than i do you have a better idea on what his work ethic is like. On December 30 2016 11:59 Ace wrote: Right now his career trajectory is a below average player. There are tons of stats that show how horrible he is so no need to go back there ETA: I keep mentioning year 3 because that decision has to be made soon. It's almost extension time. ya think eh? he looks to me headed towards above-average to very-good. my perspective is largely subjective. i'm basing it on the explosion in his first step, quickness, leaping ability in surprise situations. just his raw talents. the super advanced stats are going to look bad because Minnesota is a sub .333 team. everything u measure will look bad. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
I'm fairly down on Wiggins though so I may be biased in assuming his limited value across the league. Interested to see how others see his value. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
The reality is that even if Wiggins offense doesnt improve, if someone convinces him to give real effort on D, he is instantly a chip that every playoff team wants. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 31 2016 05:31 cLutZ wrote: Hayward is way more valuable, imo, than the other 2 you listed. The reality is that even if Wiggins offense doesnt improve, if someone convinces him to give real effort on D, he is instantly a chip that every playoff team wants. You can find defense only wings for cheaper than you'd have to pay Wiggins. "Every playoff team" is a wild stretch, Outside of Chicago and Portland doubt you have anyone that would seriously consider it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 31 2016 10:01 Ace wrote: You can find defense only wings for cheaper than you'd have to pay Wiggins. "Every playoff team" is a wild stretch, Outside of Chicago and Portland doubt you have anyone that would seriously consider it. Well, if you don't think he's going to improve much, for sure, but you would be paying for upside. Wiggins is, IMO, untradable right now because there is no good partner. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the point about comparing wiggins to other minny young players needs more emphasis. towns is pretty bad at these defense rotations, lavine is still completely clueless. their offense is like a propaganda poster for 90's basketball. it is a lot of signs pointing to a team level problem | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 31 2016 12:32 JimmiC wrote: Shitty Wiggins with 31-5-6 getting to the line for 13 ft's. Who would want a guy like that? or the guy who goes 5 for 17 with 1 rebound and 0 assists. Which is more his usual pedigree. But go on, the fanboy in you is quite amusing. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On December 31 2016 13:16 oneofthem wrote: bucks a pretty good team They appear to be middle of the road defensively, so my mistake. | ||
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