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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 06 2017 18:12 GMT
#4101
On April 07 2017 02:45 Mafe wrote:
As the expected, the US will most likely host the 2026 world cup. The odd thing (looking at the gold cup) is that they really intend to share the hosting duties with mexico and canada: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/06/us-canada-mexico-joint-world-cup-bid-2026

The US alone having another WC so early would be unfair. Having the games spread on an entire continent does not seem to be a great idea.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
April 06 2017 18:21 GMT
#4102
On April 06 2017 21:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Rooney was indeed fantastic in 2004 until he broke the metatarsal. But I don't really agree that performing at all levels or in all competitions is all that essential. The 36 league games per season are way more important than the 8 international ones, and the 19 year old isn't at fault for England being terrible. Championships are also out of season.

Messi and Ronaldo are clearly the best two players in the world of the past decade, but I don't think that holds true at all if you strictly look at international performance, even with Portugal winning the EC, and even if I admittedly struggle with finding 'dominant international players' post-Zidane. Which kinda adds to my argument I think, that international performance just isn't all that important anymore.

Check out Portugal's record in the WC and EC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_national_football_team#Competitive_record

There's a clear pre-Ronaldo and post-Ronaldo. Playing international teams with FIFA 94-95-96-97-etc was a very sad experience for this Portuguese kid.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
April 06 2017 18:41 GMT
#4103
On April 07 2017 03:21 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 21:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Rooney was indeed fantastic in 2004 until he broke the metatarsal. But I don't really agree that performing at all levels or in all competitions is all that essential. The 36 league games per season are way more important than the 8 international ones, and the 19 year old isn't at fault for England being terrible. Championships are also out of season.

Messi and Ronaldo are clearly the best two players in the world of the past decade, but I don't think that holds true at all if you strictly look at international performance, even with Portugal winning the EC, and even if I admittedly struggle with finding 'dominant international players' post-Zidane. Which kinda adds to my argument I think, that international performance just isn't all that important anymore.

Check out Portugal's record in the WC and EC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_national_football_team#Competitive_record

There's a clear pre-Ronaldo and post-Ronaldo. Playing international teams with FIFA 94-95-96-97-etc was a very sad experience for this Portuguese kid.


well to be fair, Ronaldo is just one of many as result of Portugese progression in football
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28873 Posts
April 06 2017 18:43 GMT
#4104
You were pretty dang good in 2000! And it was much harder to qualify for championships before that. And you've won three penalty shootouts in the same era! And Ronaldo was hardly part of the 2004 or 2006 success. I've watched mostly all Portugal championship games since 2000 also, and I just don't think Ronaldo has really been a dominant player. An exception for the qualification games vs Sweden before last WC, where he was godly, but in general..

I mean don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Ronaldo has been bad for Portugal, nor that Messi has been bad for Argentina, even though these are kinda common sentiments. Just that if you look at international matches, then I would not consider these two the best players in the world of the past decade, but if you look at league + CL performance, then there's a huge margin between messi/ronaldo and #3 whoever that is.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 06 2017 19:02 GMT
#4105
On April 07 2017 02:31 Skynx wrote:


Pandas rejoice

Ahaha :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4015 Posts
April 06 2017 22:43 GMT
#4106
On April 07 2017 03:12 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 02:45 Mafe wrote:
As the expected, the US will most likely host the 2026 world cup. The odd thing (looking at the gold cup) is that they really intend to share the hosting duties with mexico and canada: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/06/us-canada-mexico-joint-world-cup-bid-2026

The US alone having another WC so early would be unfair. Having the games spread on an entire continent does not seem to be a great idea.

Only reason I don't like it is that the matches will be on at night-time again. This wasn't so bad in Brazil (matches starting at midnight is still fine), but I remember from '94 I hardly watched anything that year (ofc I was younger too).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 00:36:45
April 07 2017 00:35 GMT
#4107
Why is Lee Charnley still not fired from the Club, he was the one who hired you know who. Allow the True Geordie to explain:

NSFW



Newcastle managing director Lee Charnley has described their Premier League relegation as "both unacceptable and totally unexpected" after club accounts showed a £70m outlay on players.

The full financial impact of relegation will become apparent in the next set of accounts, Charnley said, even though Rafael Benitez appears on course to lead the Magpies back into the Premier League from the Sky Bet Championship at the first attempt.

On Thursday, Newcastle reported their accounts until June 30, 2016, showing the club recorded a profit for a sixth successive year, but the figure of £4.6m was significantly down from £32.5m a year earlier.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51660 Posts
April 07 2017 06:28 GMT
#4108


"A Serie D club in Brazil called Fluminense de Feira are using the numbers on the back of their shirts to advertise offers in the supermarket."
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 07 2017 07:46 GMT
#4109
LOL clever advertising at its best xD
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bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 08:43:45
April 07 2017 08:41 GMT
#4110
FPF (Portuguese Football Federation) is announcing that they will host the first official game in Europe to have an actual video referee.

There have been many tests with offline video refereeing for the past months, and now the Portuguese Cup Final will be the first official UEFA sanctioned game with "online"video refereeing. (please correct me if i'm wrong, i'm taking the Portuguese newspapers word for it).

The game will be on the 26th of May and will be a Benfica vs Vitória de Guimarães.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 07 2017 08:47 GMT
#4111
So no physical referee at all ? :s
Who will the players shout at xD
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bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 08:55:25
April 07 2017 08:50 GMT
#4112
On April 07 2017 17:47 Pandemona wrote:
So no physical referee at all ? :s
Who will the players shout at xD


There will be normal refereeing, of course. They will just have the help of the VAR. (video assistant referee).

It will be the same as the tests they are doing at the moment across several leagues. But right now they are only doing offline tests without any impact on the game.

This will be the first game where the VAR decisions can impact the game and will revert decisions if needed.

On my way to translating from portuguese to english i might have lost the Assistant part of the VAR
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 07 2017 09:00 GMT
#4113
Oh in that case it has been done before in the Club World Cup where Real won and in the France vs Spain international game. Probably the first domestic usage though.

England using it from next year in Round 3 onwards in the FA Cup
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bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
April 07 2017 09:11 GMT
#4114
On April 07 2017 18:00 Pandemona wrote:
Oh in that case it has been done before in the Club World Cup where Real won and in the France vs Spain international game. Probably the first domestic usage though.

England using it from next year in Round 3 onwards in the FA Cup


That's why i said UEFA sanctioned game

I knew about the Club World Cup but wasn't aware of the France vs Spain which technically is a UEFA game.

Still, this will be a big change in Portugal, where all talks about football are 80% Refereeing, 10% dramas between the presidents of the clubs and 10% actual footbal.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 07 2017 09:21 GMT
#4115
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 07 2017 09:53 GMT
#4116
On April 07 2017 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.

I want them to punish grabbers during free kicks, corners etc So many people copying those gestures on amateur football fields and I hate it. Just let yellow cards rain for a week or two in the whole world and it will disappear.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
April 07 2017 09:55 GMT
#4117
On April 07 2017 18:53 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.

I want them to punish grabbers during free kicks, corners etc So many people copying those gestures on amateur football fields and I hate it. Just let yellow cards rain for a week or two in the whole world and it will disappear.


You mean the fouls happening in the box that don't warrant a penalty so they just ignore those fouls?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 07 2017 10:10 GMT
#4118
On April 07 2017 18:55 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 18:53 nojok wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.

I want them to punish grabbers during free kicks, corners etc So many people copying those gestures on amateur football fields and I hate it. Just let yellow cards rain for a week or two in the whole world and it will disappear.


You mean the fouls happening in the box that don't warrant a penalty so they just ignore those fouls?

I mean people using their hands or arms to hold their opponent. It's ridiculous during corners.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
April 07 2017 10:12 GMT
#4119
On April 07 2017 19:10 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 18:55 sharkie wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:53 nojok wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.

I want them to punish grabbers during free kicks, corners etc So many people copying those gestures on amateur football fields and I hate it. Just let yellow cards rain for a week or two in the whole world and it will disappear.


You mean the fouls happening in the box that don't warrant a penalty so they just ignore those fouls?

I mean people using their hands or arms to hold their opponent. It's ridiculous during corners.


Yeah if that happens during a goal kick it's an immediate foul but in the penalty box it's a foul but not foul enough to award a penalty :D
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18387 Posts
April 07 2017 10:14 GMT
#4120
On April 07 2017 19:12 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:10 nojok wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:55 sharkie wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:53 nojok wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah it is great that it being given the go ahead so fast. Just doing it on the few aspects they are using it for will make the game 100x better and more accurate. Referee's get more help so they feel more incontrol which is great. If they make a mistake which they realize afterwards oh crap, they don't have to referee with it in the back of their minds anymore as it will be instantly rectified.

I want them to punish grabbers during free kicks, corners etc So many people copying those gestures on amateur football fields and I hate it. Just let yellow cards rain for a week or two in the whole world and it will disappear.


You mean the fouls happening in the box that don't warrant a penalty so they just ignore those fouls?

I mean people using their hands or arms to hold their opponent. It's ridiculous during corners.


Yeah if that happens during a goal kick it's an immediate foul but in the penalty box it's a foul but not foul enough to award a penalty :D

Requires a rule change... or a rule interpretation change. Bring back indirect free kicks in the penalty area.
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