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On January 16 2017 15:10 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 07:38 nayumi wrote:On January 16 2017 00:48 DucK- wrote:
Thank goodness Pep didn't want Chelsea :D I never thought he was a great manager or tactician. He can only work with top players, and credit to him he is able to dominate with them. But without top players, he is flawed and often exposed.
Pep was good at enforcing a certain playstyle that worked well during his peak at Barcelona. But when it was somewhat figured out, or he didn't have the players to play that unique style of football, he's completely lost. City was his first test outside of his comfort zone because let's be fair any manager with half a brain could have won the Bundesliga with that squad and virtually no competition, and he's showing what's he's made of. I don't think he'll bow out just yet even if City drops out of top 4 this season. Hope he can come back with some good summer transfers because if he can make City into 50% of what he did to Barcelona, the next season will be very interesting indeed. I think one of the most prudent observations he made in an interview a while back was that sure hes won alot etc etc. But its not normal to win all the time. He knew what he had before and what he has now and he knows that there is a good chance it wont work here and people will say hes not that great. Being a good manager isnt about never failing which literally no manager in history has done, will do or should ever do. Hes not going to go anywhere, he has a contract for 3 years and he has a project that he wants to work on, if it takes a little longer it takes longer but im pretty sure he will see it through regardless of the results. Whether they keep him if a top 4 finish fails though is a different matter. So everytime people say shit like, well hes not really that good or "I dont rate him" the second he starts to lose it gives me a headache to read Its the same as with Messi and Ronaldo they get held to these inhumane standards and then when those arent met then all of a sudden there is no layering or grey. Thats where all the Messi only good cuz Xavi and Iniesta or other shit comes from also. Its all from the same place. Ignorance and people chomping at the bit for a hint of failure to simply discredit anything good someone they dont like has done. Its actually quite depressing.
I personally am not a fan of Pep or his style of football. But I do give him credits for all of his past achievements because he did create something of his own (to a certain extent) and made it work (well not only work, he dominated the game for a period of time with it). And I believe every manager needs certain group of players to make their style feasible, even Mourinho who has moved from clubs to clubs always requires certain type of players to deploy his game plan. It's just in Pep's case, the quality and skillset of the players that he needs are just very unique, and aren't readily available even with good money. It's always easier to find a physical-typed player to work under Mourinho's style rather than another Xavi/Iniesta combo to play Pep's football. I think Pep's biggest problem is that I'm not sure if he can, or even wants to change/adapt to a new style. Because I can guarantee if he keeps on trying to make tiki-taka work at City, he'll almost definitely fail, unless City gives him something like 10 years to build a new squad.
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Well, to be fair his team isn't really exceptional, especially now with all the injuries.
Sagna/Clichy isn't exactly top level and he needs strong full backs. He also needs a good, balanced midfield. With Touré close to his end, and De Bruyne/Silva playing there when they're forwards, it's going to be tough.
Also there are different ways to lose... Yesterday, 3 first shots, 3 goals. Davies' goal made me think about Saul's goal last year vs Bayern, unreal. The whole season they've been losing points when they were clearly deserving to win. I mean, if you give the 3 points to City from that Chelsea game, then they're 2nd with just 4 points behind Chelsea.
It's not THAT awful yet. They're clearly not controlling the games enough, and unless they sign 1-2 midfielders before the end of the transfer season, I don't think there's a chance they can win the league. The CL will be tough too, right now I'd bet on Monaco because they're simply more balanced and full of confidence.
Rough year for Pep, but it was expected. The team has tons of mercenary-type players, he needs a few transfer windows to fix that. Will he go crazy and leave before that tho? xD
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They had 1 chance vs Everton yesterday, thats it 60 odd % possession and had one clear cut chance. Rest just shots that Robles gobbled up for fun. Like i said take the penalty at 0-0 is all you can argue for them yesterday other than that they got outplayed for the rest of it.
You can't defend what happened yesterday either when he had fkn ZABALETA playing CAM ffs.
The right back left back your saying are poor were Arsenal's best for a very long time who competed with them and he also has no injury problems in that department. Zabaleta Clichy Kolarov and Sagna are the ones he has available however in his formation i don't know how "full backs" work.
How can you say he needs transfer windows he just spent over £100 million on players! The keeper he kicked Joe Hart out for has faced 18 shots and conceded 13....what a great keeper he is! He made Stones look even worst than before, told Yaya he wont play basically at start of the summer, kicked him out of the champions league squad, to now saying "it was a mistake to leave him out of champions league squad" haha! Guy has made many mistakes this season and now faces a huge uphill task of putting it right.
Rant hype! But i can't see much defending for what he has done so far he has completely got it wrong and he is even more stubborn than Mourinho to say he has got it wrong or to change his style. Realistically City some great players and some just good players but that is the same as most teams, but any team with Aguero and Silva in can score goals at will.
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he keeps playing stones, pretty sure he doesn't know what he is doing
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Isn't Stones the most expensive signing ever for a defender? Pretty sure that the club would get mad at any coach that doesn't field him. If Pep did ask for that signing himself, he can't just bench him period. That guy simply has to play unless he proves to be way WAY worse than the alternatives afaik.
Also City is 4-2 in their last 6 games and you guys are already going ham on Pep lol. Isn't United in a worse position, also after spending a shitton on Pogba+Zlatan+whoever? And they don't even need to focus on CL because well, they don't play it. Why not go ham on the Special turd too? Because double standards that's why 
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The Premier League this year is starting to look like one of the many Formula One races we had this year were there is an epic 4 way fight for second but out front Rosberg is just cruising on his own with no one to race. Maybe not the best analogy but if Rosberg keeps winning what's happening behind doesn't matter no one is going to catch Chelsea.
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On January 16 2017 23:06 Greg_J wrote:
The Premier League this year is starting to look like one of the many Formula One races we had this year were there is an epic 4 way fight for second but out front Rosberg is just cruising on his own with no one to race. Maybe not the best analogy but if Rosberg keeps winning what's happening behind doesn't matter no one is going to catch Chelsea.
Huh? I found most of the F1 races this year really interesting and attractive. You had the 1v1 between the Mercedes. I guess if you don't like Hamilton or Rosberg, that was a pretty boring match for 1st and 2nd. But then behind them you had the 2 RBs and the 2 Ferraris duking it out (although it was mostly Vettel; you could say Raikkonen couldn't quite keep up with the other 3), and sometimes taking a surprising 2nd (or 1st when the Mercedes decide to knock each other out). Either way, my point was that even the first spot this F1 season was an entertaining battle, unlike the way this Premier League season is shaping out. However, a similar thing could be said about Leicester last year, except everybody believed they *had* to implode at some point, whereas nobody thinks Chelsea will. Leicester didn't. Maybe Chelsea will?
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On January 16 2017 23:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 23:06 Greg_J wrote:
The Premier League this year is starting to look like one of the many Formula One races we had this year were there is an epic 4 way fight for second but out front Rosberg is just cruising on his own with no one to race. Maybe not the best analogy but if Rosberg keeps winning what's happening behind doesn't matter no one is going to catch Chelsea. Huh? I found most of the F1 races this year really interesting and attractive. You had the 1v1 between the Mercedes. I guess if you don't like Hamilton or Rosberg, that was a pretty boring match for 1st and 2nd. But then behind them you had the 2 RBs and the 2 Ferraris duking it out (although it was mostly Vettel; you could say Raikkonen couldn't quite keep up with the other 3), and sometimes taking a surprising 2nd (or 1st when the Mercedes decide to knock each other out). Either way, my point was that even the first spot this F1 season was an entertaining battle, unlike the way this Premier League season is shaping out. However, a similar thing could be said about Leicester last year, except everybody believed they *had* to implode at some point, whereas nobody thinks Chelsea will. Leicester didn't. Maybe Chelsea will?
Right, there were a lot of very good races and I do really like F1. There were a couple of races were Louis or Nico had trouble on the first lap and had to fight his way back through the field leaving the other guy cruising out front with everyone else fighting furiously behind him. That was the analogy I was trying to make. One team is cruising at the front with everyone else fighting away behind them. Anyway it's not important. Exeter City won again let's talk about that ㅋㅋ
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On January 16 2017 22:50 Salteador Neo wrote:Isn't Stones the most expensive signing ever for a defender? Pretty sure that the club would get mad at any coach that doesn't field him. If Pep did ask for that signing himself, he can't just bench him period. That guy simply has to play unless he proves to be way WAY worse than the alternatives afaik. Also City is 4-2 in their last 6 games and you guys are already going ham on Pep lol. Isn't United in a worse position, also after spending a shitton on Pogba+Zlatan+whoever? And they don't even need to focus on CL because well, they don't play it. Why not go ham on the Special turd too? Because double standards that's why
mou got his fair share of shit at the start of the season when we dropped all those points against teams like burnley because our team couldnt hold onto leads for shit. he also got his fair share of criticism when he couldnt figure out his best 11 for a while, dropped mkhi, pogba had a slow start, carrick wasnt playing, hadnt dropped rooney yet and used fellaini a little more than he should have.
now hes gotten his shit together and you can see it with the way the team has played. we were on a 9? win streak in all competitions and undefeated in like 15 or something. if we had played like this from the beginning we would probably be 2nd on the table right now. mou and the team hasnt done much to deserve criticism lately; the only instance being pogba's full retard moments against liverpool and the teams overall lacklustre performance.
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On January 16 2017 22:50 Salteador Neo wrote:Isn't Stones the most expensive signing ever for a defender? Pretty sure that the club would get mad at any coach that doesn't field him. If Pep did ask for that signing himself, he can't just bench him period. That guy simply has to play unless he proves to be way WAY worse than the alternatives afaik. Also City is 4-2 in their last 6 games and you guys are already going ham on Pep lol. Isn't United in a worse position, also after spending a shitton on Pogba+Zlatan+whoever? And they don't even need to focus on CL because well, they don't play it. Why not go ham on the Special turd too? Because double standards that's why
Yeah but his teams playing really welll so I dont see the point in criticizing him. Besides the point isnt that you shouldnt criticize, its the idiocy of discounting of all achievements as undeserved at the first moment of weakness. Thats where the morons show up with their quips and clever one liners.
On January 16 2017 22:58 Pandemona wrote:
Also the Mourinho digs worthless here as they are on an unbeaten run since being mauled 5-0 by Chelsea, beat Spurs before the year was out and the champions league argument doesn't count due to them being in Europa league and having to play in it. Like i also said he is about to overtake City at end of next matchday which is crazy considering after matchday 12 or whatever the difference between the sides was 8 points! Now that will change to Yanited being up 1 point.
On January 16 2017 20:03 Pandemona wrote:
They had 1 chance vs Everton yesterday, thats it 60 odd % possession and had one clear cut chance. Rest just shots that Robles gobbled up for fun. Like i said take the penalty at 0-0 is all you can argue for them yesterday other than that they got outplayed for the rest of it.
You can't defend what happened yesterday either when he had fkn ZABALETA playing CAM ffs.
The right back left back your saying are poor were Arsenal's best for a very long time who competed with them and he also has no injury problems in that department. Zabaleta Clichy Kolarov and Sagna are the ones he has available however in his formation i don't know how "full backs" work.
How can you say he needs transfer windows he just spent over £100 million on players! The keeper he kicked Joe Hart out for has faced 18 shots and conceded 13....what a great keeper he is! He made Stones look even worst than before, told Yaya he wont play basically at start of the summer, kicked him out of the champions league squad, to now saying "it was a mistake to leave him out of champions league squad" haha! Guy has made many mistakes this season and now faces a huge uphill task of putting it right.
Rant hype! But i can't see much defending for what he has done so far he has completely got it wrong and he is even more stubborn than Mourinho to say he has got it wrong or to change his style. Realistically City some great players and some just good players but that is the same as most teams, but any team with Aguero and Silva in can score goals at will.
Ok so I keep hearing words like "adapt" and "style" that needs to change. What exactly do you want them to adapt to ? Every manager has a core framework that he operates under, all of them. And then from there you tweak and adjust etc etc.
People keep using the words adapt but what do you want him to do ? Start playing long balls ? None of the teams playing at a high level right now are "adapting" like that, + Show Spoiler +(cept maybe Mou, he do anything he can)
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On January 16 2017 22:58 Pandemona wrote:City in last 6 games being 4 and 2 doesn't mean much when like i said come matchday 22 conclusion they will be sat in 6th place! Then the last 6 becomes 3W 3L he has problems, big ones, he also already starting to moan at media and speak weird statements like i wont be a manager in my 60s and ill be done at 55 or something (48 next week or something?). He strange man for sure, good man of course and a delight for the game but he is being asked alot of questions right now in England. Also the Mourinho digs worthless here as they are on an unbeaten run since being mauled 5-0 by Chelsea, beat Spurs before the year was out and the champions league argument doesn't count due to them being in Europa league and having to play in it. Like i also said he is about to overtake City at end of next matchday which is crazy considering after matchday 12 or whatever the difference between the sides was 8 points! Now that will change to Yanited being up 1 point.
Europa League argument is super lame because the average team there is weaker than your average english team With that being said, I had no idea ManU were in such a roll. I just looked at all the anti-Pep posts and then at the table and made a quick (?) sign. Let's just wait and see, if Chelsea lose a couple games the PL might just get interesting. Haven't watched a single game this year, which is sad :/
On the other hand, Madrid's loss yesterday (finally!) is such sweet news, specially considering how it happened (get Ramos'd twice HAH). Having a blast talking about it with workmates. Madrid literally better against Sevilla without the Joke d'Or than with him for bonus laughs.
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city are 4-4 in the last 8, that is not good. But obviously pep is the type of manager who might need some time for his project to bear fruition because he has such a clear philosophy. He's safe even if they end up 6th, but then midway through next season he better start looking better more consistently. Occasional mishaps like the game vs Everton are also acceptable when building something new - but 0-4 is probably quite painful to him...
United has been looking good for quite some time now. I think besides Chelsea they are the team I'm most confident ends up in top 4. Since the loss vs Chelsea, they are 14-5-0 in all competitions.
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On January 17 2017 00:51 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:50 Salteador Neo wrote:Isn't Stones the most expensive signing ever for a defender? Pretty sure that the club would get mad at any coach that doesn't field him. If Pep did ask for that signing himself, he can't just bench him period. That guy simply has to play unless he proves to be way WAY worse than the alternatives afaik. Also City is 4-2 in their last 6 games and you guys are already going ham on Pep lol. Isn't United in a worse position, also after spending a shitton on Pogba+Zlatan+whoever? And they don't even need to focus on CL because well, they don't play it. Why not go ham on the Special turd too? Because double standards that's why Yeah but his teams playing really welll so I dont see the point in criticizing him. Besides the point isnt that you shouldnt criticize, its the idiocy of discounting of all achievements as undeserved at the first moment of weakness. Thats where the morons show up with their quips and clever one liners. Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:58 Pandemona wrote:
Also the Mourinho digs worthless here as they are on an unbeaten run since being mauled 5-0 by Chelsea, beat Spurs before the year was out and the champions league argument doesn't count due to them being in Europa league and having to play in it. Like i also said he is about to overtake City at end of next matchday which is crazy considering after matchday 12 or whatever the difference between the sides was 8 points! Now that will change to Yanited being up 1 point. Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 20:03 Pandemona wrote:
They had 1 chance vs Everton yesterday, thats it 60 odd % possession and had one clear cut chance. Rest just shots that Robles gobbled up for fun. Like i said take the penalty at 0-0 is all you can argue for them yesterday other than that they got outplayed for the rest of it.
You can't defend what happened yesterday either when he had fkn ZABALETA playing CAM ffs.
The right back left back your saying are poor were Arsenal's best for a very long time who competed with them and he also has no injury problems in that department. Zabaleta Clichy Kolarov and Sagna are the ones he has available however in his formation i don't know how "full backs" work.
How can you say he needs transfer windows he just spent over £100 million on players! The keeper he kicked Joe Hart out for has faced 18 shots and conceded 13....what a great keeper he is! He made Stones look even worst than before, told Yaya he wont play basically at start of the summer, kicked him out of the champions league squad, to now saying "it was a mistake to leave him out of champions league squad" haha! Guy has made many mistakes this season and now faces a huge uphill task of putting it right.
Rant hype! But i can't see much defending for what he has done so far he has completely got it wrong and he is even more stubborn than Mourinho to say he has got it wrong or to change his style. Realistically City some great players and some just good players but that is the same as most teams, but any team with Aguero and Silva in can score goals at will. Ok so I keep hearing words like "adapt" and "style" that needs to change. What exactly do you want them to adapt to ? Every manager has a core framework that he operates under, all of them. And then from there you tweak and adjust etc etc. People keep using the words adapt but what do you want him to do ? Start playing long balls ? None of the teams playing at a high level right now are "adapting" like that, + Show Spoiler +(cept maybe Mou, he do anything he can) in the sense you are suggesting, they are playing the way they want to play. This includes Liverpool and Spurs. Spurs especially play probably the closest to the way the ideal City would play and they are absolutely gorgeous to watch.
I want him to change by playing the players in there positions. Kolarov and Clichy aren't centre halves and Zabaleta sure as hell aint a CAM. I want him to show more respect to the premier league than to play these weird ass formations which are so prone to counters it is untrue. City and Spurs are far away from eachother, the formations themselves speak the most. Spurs play 4-2-3-1 and City play 3-6-1 kinda crap where the likes of Clichy and Sagna were outwide and Stones and Oatemendi have Toure in front of them as cover. With Zabaleta DeBruyne Silva providing passes to Sterling and Aguero. Spurs way more defined in how they play and look to play.
Nayumi hit the nail on the head in which to play the style Pep "seems" to want, is where everyone is interchanging positions and able to pass the ball very comfortably under pressure and able to do it with one touch. However there is literally his old Barca side the only ones who could do this, even at Bayern they were not all comfortable this way and were mistakes, however with that side he had one of the best keepers to work with in terms of defending as a sweeper. The adaption comes where he plays the same 11 for a few games, in a formation and style that you can actually see.
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On January 17 2017 03:38 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 00:51 Rebs wrote:On January 16 2017 22:50 Salteador Neo wrote:Isn't Stones the most expensive signing ever for a defender? Pretty sure that the club would get mad at any coach that doesn't field him. If Pep did ask for that signing himself, he can't just bench him period. That guy simply has to play unless he proves to be way WAY worse than the alternatives afaik. Also City is 4-2 in their last 6 games and you guys are already going ham on Pep lol. Isn't United in a worse position, also after spending a shitton on Pogba+Zlatan+whoever? And they don't even need to focus on CL because well, they don't play it. Why not go ham on the Special turd too? Because double standards that's why Yeah but his teams playing really welll so I dont see the point in criticizing him. Besides the point isnt that you shouldnt criticize, its the idiocy of discounting of all achievements as undeserved at the first moment of weakness. Thats where the morons show up with their quips and clever one liners. On January 16 2017 22:58 Pandemona wrote:
Also the Mourinho digs worthless here as they are on an unbeaten run since being mauled 5-0 by Chelsea, beat Spurs before the year was out and the champions league argument doesn't count due to them being in Europa league and having to play in it. Like i also said he is about to overtake City at end of next matchday which is crazy considering after matchday 12 or whatever the difference between the sides was 8 points! Now that will change to Yanited being up 1 point. On January 16 2017 20:03 Pandemona wrote:
They had 1 chance vs Everton yesterday, thats it 60 odd % possession and had one clear cut chance. Rest just shots that Robles gobbled up for fun. Like i said take the penalty at 0-0 is all you can argue for them yesterday other than that they got outplayed for the rest of it.
You can't defend what happened yesterday either when he had fkn ZABALETA playing CAM ffs.
The right back left back your saying are poor were Arsenal's best for a very long time who competed with them and he also has no injury problems in that department. Zabaleta Clichy Kolarov and Sagna are the ones he has available however in his formation i don't know how "full backs" work.
How can you say he needs transfer windows he just spent over £100 million on players! The keeper he kicked Joe Hart out for has faced 18 shots and conceded 13....what a great keeper he is! He made Stones look even worst than before, told Yaya he wont play basically at start of the summer, kicked him out of the champions league squad, to now saying "it was a mistake to leave him out of champions league squad" haha! Guy has made many mistakes this season and now faces a huge uphill task of putting it right.
Rant hype! But i can't see much defending for what he has done so far he has completely got it wrong and he is even more stubborn than Mourinho to say he has got it wrong or to change his style. Realistically City some great players and some just good players but that is the same as most teams, but any team with Aguero and Silva in can score goals at will. Ok so I keep hearing words like "adapt" and "style" that needs to change. What exactly do you want them to adapt to ? Every manager has a core framework that he operates under, all of them. And then from there you tweak and adjust etc etc. People keep using the words adapt but what do you want him to do ? Start playing long balls ? None of the teams playing at a high level right now are "adapting" like that, + Show Spoiler +(cept maybe Mou, he do anything he can) in the sense you are suggesting, they are playing the way they want to play. This includes Liverpool and Spurs. Spurs especially play probably the closest to the way the ideal City would play and they are absolutely gorgeous to watch. I want him to change by playing the players in there positions. Kolarov and Clichy aren't centre halves and Zabaleta sure as hell aint a CAM. I want him to show more respect to the premier league than to play these weird ass formations which are so prone to counters it is untrue. City and Spurs are far away from eachother, the formations themselves speak the most. Spurs play 4-2-3-1 and City play 3-6-1 kinda crap where the likes of Clichy and Sagna were outwide and Stones and Oatemendi have Toure in front of them as cover. With Zabaleta DeBruyne Silva providing passes to Sterling and Aguero. Spurs way more defined in how they play and look to play. Nayumi hit the nail on the head in which to play the style Pep "seems" to want, is where everyone is interchanging positions and able to pass the ball very comfortably under pressure and able to do it with one touch. However there is literally his old Barca side the only ones who could do this, even at Bayern they were not all comfortable this way and were mistakes, however with that side he had one of the best keepers to work with in terms of defending as a sweeper. The adaption comes where he plays the same 11 for a few games, in a formation and style that you can actually see.
So tldr because thats mostly just a lot of noise that anyone who spends 20 mins a day playing FIFA can come up with... your idea of adapt is play normal formations ? Genius..
Also the contradiction here is confusing me, you want him to adapt by not changing things ? I also disagree with the chopping and changing, but to me that shows that there is somoene who is trying to adapt. Look the core pass and move philosophy isnt going away, thats how he wants to play the game win or lose. If you find that grating, sucks for you. But thats how he believes he should win so how about you respect that and let him try. If he fails he fails. To bad, guess hes not that good but England is literally the mangiest mutt in terms of shit kick and rush, itll take a while to break if at all.
The liverpool United game was a pretty good example of it. United played some right gorgeous stuff at times (helped by some shitty Liverpool D) but at the end of the day what worked was them just lopping balls and trying to get Fellaini to nick one. As a neutral who enjoys quality football thats just depressing as fuck. I can see the same shit in Sunday league. Why I pay for Premier League channels :S
Also I didnt say Spurs play like City, not sure why you addressed your comment like I did. I said the style they play with is the closest to what ideally Pep would like to play.
Personally I dont give a shit if City does well or not, I just want to see teams that can play. Thats my selfish perspective and Im keeping it, and I also think Peps philosophy has the best chance of giving me that, fans can have their own ideas of what it takes and whats needed and thats their prerogative, but just like it did with Klopp or Poch some stuff takes time. Or maybe it doesnt, we will see.
Either way you havent really given me anything to say, you have some answer to the issue. Just a host of criticisms, which is fine but at the end of the day there is no meat, just buzzwords like "adaption".
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You see the adaption comes from stop playing 11 play anywhere because we can all "1 touch pass" and play a proper formation that is the adaption. Playing the same 11 for a few games in a wrong so he can properly check his squad/team not changing 8 every game and wondering whats going on. Anyway again you spray buzzwords and crap out yourself like "i don't care" or "kick and rush" in which Yanited played long balls for last 10 minutes only because they could and every team does this in the last 10 mins chasing a game (minus barca i guess). Real last night smashing it long in last 4 minutes after Sevilla scored etcetc.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_long_balls?se=54
Long ball stat btw bit random of course but just a point, even Pep does it. Only Wenger who ADAPTS by playing defensively in big games lately has less long balls so far this season!
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On January 17 2017 05:09 Pandemona wrote:You see the adaption comes from stop playing 11 play anywhere because we can all "1 touch pass" and play a proper formation that is the adaption. Playing the same 11 for a few games in a wrong so he can properly check his squad/team not changing 8 every game and wondering whats going on. Anyway again you spray buzzwords and crap out yourself like "i don't care" or "kick and rush" in which Yanited played long balls for last 10 minutes only because they could and every team does this in the last 10 mins chasing a game (minus barca i guess). Real last night smashing it long in last 4 minutes after Sevilla scored etcetc. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_long_balls?se=54Long ball stat btw bit random of course but just a point, even Pep does it. Only Wenger who ADAPTS by playing defensively in big games lately has less long balls so far this season!
Soooo you just pumped alot of air and said basically the exact same thing again. Please see below.
On January 17 2017 03:56 Rebs wrote:
So tldr because thats mostly just a lot of noise that anyone who spends 20 mins a day playing FIFA can come up with... your idea of adapt is play normal formations ? Genius..
Also the point of my long balls comment wasnt that, they were wrong in doing it. The issue was that it was that it even came to that point in the first place, that is the disappointing part. As usual concepts are hard, getting red faced and blathering is easy.
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On January 17 2017 05:13 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 05:09 Pandemona wrote:You see the adaption comes from stop playing 11 play anywhere because we can all "1 touch pass" and play a proper formation that is the adaption. Playing the same 11 for a few games in a wrong so he can properly check his squad/team not changing 8 every game and wondering whats going on. Anyway again you spray buzzwords and crap out yourself like "i don't care" or "kick and rush" in which Yanited played long balls for last 10 minutes only because they could and every team does this in the last 10 mins chasing a game (minus barca i guess). Real last night smashing it long in last 4 minutes after Sevilla scored etcetc. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_long_balls?se=54Long ball stat btw bit random of course but just a point, even Pep does it. Only Wenger who ADAPTS by playing defensively in big games lately has less long balls so far this season! Soooo you just pumped alot of air and said basically the exact same thing again. Please see below. Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 03:56 Rebs wrote:
So tldr because thats mostly just a lot of noise that anyone who spends 20 mins a day playing FIFA can come up with... your idea of adapt is play normal formations ? Genius..
Also the point of my long balls comment wasnt that, they were wrong in doing it, it was that it even came to that point in the first place, that is the disappointing part. As usual concepts are hard.
But that's what you want. You want people to pump a lot of air to say things. Because obviously you hate my 1-2 sentence posts :p
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Pep needs more time to implement his style of play. Not sure how much of a factor it is, but it doesn't feel like in England you ever really get a period where you can train on basics because there is always a game going on and no winter break. I also think Pep needs some defenders who can actually play football. I hope he gets the time he needs to turn things around. Like Rebs said, City aren't the only ones that struggle to get their game going on as Man Utd is clearly still a WIP.
Anyway playing devil's' advocate here, but the commotion around Guardiola is exactly why I can understand why Mourinho adopts a certain play style in order to get results. A string of bad results and everyone is calling for your head. It is pretty shitty to watch a team do, but at least it gets the press off your back for another week. Now I am not saying Pep should play long ball because that would honestly break my heart to see. I just hope Guardiola is given the time he needs.
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