EPT2016 - 2017 Football Thread - Page 111
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On December 19 2016 05:23 sharkie wrote: Well Zidane keeps saying that he drilled a "never give up" mentality into this team. And they really do have quite a lot of comebacks already. Zidane showing us that all you need is hard work in football to succeed. :p He's very pragmatic, very similar to what Ancelotti was doing. He's doing great until now! I still feel that at the very top level you need a better gameplan to win titles year after year. But obviously with a squad like Real's, even playing at 80% of your potential you can beat anyone... And wtf Messi, don't do that. Keep some for next year's Ballon d'Or. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 19 2016 11:05 WillyWanker wrote: He's very pragmatic, very similar to what Ancelotti was doing. He's doing great until now! I still feel that at the very top level you need a better gameplan to win titles year after year. But obviously with a squad like Real's, even playing at 80% of your potential you can beat anyone... And wtf Messi, don't do that. Keep some for next year's Ballon d'Or. Yeah his style is the same vein as Ancelotti which I quite like. Set a team up to play a certain way and then just let them play. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Best I've seen in some time. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
If Arsenal would be a consistent 3rd place all season then no fan would complain. But Arsenal keep delivering title contender performances for 2-3 weeks and then their fans start to think they actually are one and then the disappointing fall. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I for one love the ones who blame everything on Ozil being "lazy". I think everyone in the world knows Ozil does not run around for 90 minutes making tackles and breaking up play etc. That isn't what he does, what he does is get the ball, make an exceptional play or pass and lately actually score too. The idea is behind a player like that is you play him with protection and if he doesn't get protected there will be big wholes around him to be exploited. If Wenger can't set his team up to do that then he is very out of touch with the game. Ozil at Real had Modric and Khederia behind him and was fine, Arsenal either need to play 4-3-3 with him free or 4-2-3-1 and let him play cam free. Anyway for me lets hope Wenger is around for another 20 years  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On December 19 2016 21:54 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i watched that video last night too and it just sums up Arsenal fans. Some of them have just had enough of Wenger now, some think its the players not putting in shifts. Some think the players are not good enough, but the main fact is all the possibilities of who is to blame will always fall back to it being Wenger's fault. So you either have to stand by and watch him carry on or you have to get him out of the club. I for one love the ones who blame everything on Ozil being "lazy". I think everyone in the world knows Ozil does not run around for 90 minutes making tackles and breaking up play etc. That isn't what he does, what he does is get the ball, make an exceptional play or pass and lately actually score too. The idea is behind a player like that is you play him with protection and if he doesn't get protected there will be big wholes around him to be exploited. If Wenger can't set his team up to do that then he is very out of touch with the game. Ozil at Real had Modric and Khederia behind him and was fine, Arsenal either need to play 4-3-3 with him free or 4-2-3-1 and let him play cam free. Anyway for me lets hope Wenger is around for another 20 years Now, don't blame Özil on Wenger... Özil has had tons of invisible games in Germany and Real Madrid. And he always had world class DMs in those two teams. It's just the type of player he is. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Lets say it is true though that Ozil goes invisible in all the big games, isn't it even worst than any manager still plays him in "big games"? Isn't that even worst than Ozil not turning up in those "big games" that the manager knows this too and still plays him. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18772 Posts
On December 19 2016 22:34 Pandemona wrote: No one expects Ozil to carry Arsenal every game he isn't that good, he is the best 10 in the world though that is true. He just gets blamed every game by Arsenal fans but without him Arsenal are 9 goals and 5 assists worst off. They are also a worst team without him in it. At Real he indeed had bad games but everyone does the point is in Real he wasn't scoffed at for going invisible whenever Real lost. Lets say it is true though that Ozil goes invisible in all the big games, isn't it even worst than any manager still plays him in "big games"? Isn't that even worst than Ozil not turning up in those "big games" that the manager knows this too and still plays him. Obviously Ozil does not go invisible in all big games but he does it more often than not. Yet, still all those managers before Wenger still started him. So why does only Wenger keep getting crap for trusting in Ozil? Imo, Arsenal fans need to stop thinking of the times of the invincibles and act more like Liverpool and have lower expectations. Arsenal is just not a title contender team. That is reserved for Chelsea and the two Manchester sides. Arsenal players really get too much pressure from their fans. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11449 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On December 19 2016 23:03 Pandemona wrote: Yes but the difference is the Real fans and German fans that know Ozil still win championships. Arsenal win a domestic cup every now and then at best that is why he gets more abuse it seems. Ozil and Sanchez are rumored to be holding Arsenal for ransom with salaries they want on new contracts, if they don't get what they want they will leave. Will Arsenal be a top 4 contender without these two players? Unless they somehow can replace them extremely fast depending when they leave? Calling it ransom is nonsense. They are the stars of the team and they know it. Being paid a salary correspondent with star status for one of the top Premier League teams seems normal. If Arsenal can't play, both Alexis and Ozil still have ~5 years left in their career. While I'm not sure what team would currently be interested in them (PSG maybe?), I'm sure that if they enter the market transfer-free, they'll get snapped up pretty quickly at the salary they want. It's the problem that minnows face continuously. Eredivisie teams can't hold onto its star players to save its life. That 13-y.o. Celtic prodigee is saught after around Europe before he has even developed into a star for the team yet. You either pay up the ridiculously inflated prices that football players are receiving, or your players leave for a richer club. That said, I'm all in favour of European salary caps. Maybe even with something like an exemption for home-grown talent (meaning, the player has been with the club since age 12 or so), to encourage teams to invest in their own academies. Maybe can be national salary caps, to acknowledge higher viewer numbers for Premier League, La Liga, etc. But while I see the capitalistic sense in Ronaldo being worth millions of euros a year, I don't see how that makes sense from wanting competitive games. A Leicester PL win is far far far more exciting (for a neutral spectator) than the usual suspects clobbering most of the league in boring 1-sided matches, with only 2-3 (expected) interesting match-ups a year to look forward to. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:37 Acrofales wrote: Would Brexit mean the Bosman ruling no longer applies to transfers to/from UK teams? :O Does it apply to any other nother non-EU country right now? (Genuine question, I've never thought it before) | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28918 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:27 Mafe wrote: Does it apply to any other nother non-EU country right now? (Genuine question, I've never thought it before) Apart from those that have a deal with the EU it doesn't. But google tells me that there have been separate rulings in the other regions which allow players to leave after their contract has ended. So yeah with Brexit England get to create their own rules on this and will be allowed to create foreign player restrictions too. | ||
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