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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/525253-2017-2018-football-thread#1
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
December 20 2016 19:34 GMT
#2241
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 03:46:26
December 21 2016 03:40 GMT
#2242
On December 21 2016 02:53 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2016 10:44 WillyWanker wrote:
About Özil... I feel that this player is just not made to play in nowadays' football. In a slower paced era, he would be amazing. But 10s these days don't exist anymore. Or they have to do more than just being a 10. Now you have players better at defending which is much better for a team's balance. However, that doesn't mean the player can't realize this and do the efforts to be a better player; but everyone knows Özil isn't exactly super professional.

No Real fan misses Özil. Now they have Modric + Kroos. That's the same offensive power + still strong defensively.

Are you saying that two players can do more than what a single player can, or that replacing Özil with one of these two players is a net gain for Real?

I'm saying that Modric > Özil and Kroos > Özil. At least for that Real team. I think successful teams these days (not just, I guess?) are great 'teams' rather than sum of good players. When it's a combination of both it's better, of course. Simeone, Zidane, Conte, they focus on having a strong midfield, high pressure when needed + technical players to score on counter-attacks and still be able to create goals against defensive teams. Özil cannot fit in these teams. All these coaches would bench him until he learns to run more. And despite him probably being the best 10 in the world right now (if you don't count Messi as a 10 :D), we can bet right now that no top 5 team will buy him before the end of his career.

By the way, I'm not bashing on him because they lost last weekend and we need a scapegoat. I've always thought the same of him, and you should ask Real fans they'll tell you the same.

One player that's similar to him is Pastore. So much class, but so 'lazy'. I feel like if I was a pro player, I'd be that kind of player xD
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 21 2016 10:03 GMT
#2243
Whilst i agree with your points you can also add that there is space in the Conte and Simeone systems for these one world class and not so high pressing players. Look at Pirlo in Conte's Juventus and in the national team, it literally looked like 10 protect 1 at times in those games. Hazard in Chelsea doesn't press all the time or much, yes he does way more running defensively than Ozil but he still isn't anything compared to Willian. So there is space you just have to play 10 protect 1 alot kinda analogy to make it work and Arsenal do the opposite. Now not saying that style will work now, but Conte's Juventus and Pirlo national team Italy made you think it can work.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
December 21 2016 12:24 GMT
#2244
Chelsea supposedly preparing a 50m+ offer for Arturo Vidal
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
December 21 2016 15:51 GMT
#2245
Portuguese Press handling Lindelof as it is a done deal for 39M£

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-21 19:37:26
December 21 2016 16:30 GMT
#2246
So I just read a report on a German sports site about the Portuguese team "Canelas 2010". Apparently they're likely to get into the 3rd Portuguese league after this season. They have 16 wins out of 17 games. Now, the report said that 12 of those wins were forfeit wins. That the team plays incredibly brutally, nowhere near within the rules, and that they threaten referees so they don't act against them.

Does anyone know more about this?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
December 21 2016 17:24 GMT
#2247
On December 22 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:
So I just read a report on a German sports site about the Portuguese team "Canelas 2010". Apparently they're are likely to get into the 3rd Portuguese league after this season. They have 16 wins out of 17 games. Now, the report said that 12 of those wins were forfeit wins. That the team plays incredibly brutally, nowhere near within the rules, and that they threaten referees so they don't act against them.

Does anyone know more about this?


You mean these guys ?

Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
December 21 2016 18:40 GMT
#2248
a couple of those players should go to jail based on that video evidence.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
December 21 2016 19:01 GMT
#2249
also awesome pep interview.
Moderator
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
December 21 2016 19:11 GMT
#2250
Hummels is blonde now haha 😂 what was he thinking
Respect my authoritah!!
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
December 21 2016 19:37 GMT
#2251
On December 22 2016 04:11 TerransHill wrote:
Hummels is blonde now haha 😂 what was he thinking

Apparently he lost a bet tossing cans of beer.
And fuck Leipzig, collapsing exactly in the only game one can root for them without having to take a shower immediately.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 21 2016 20:01 GMT
#2252
On December 22 2016 02:24 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:
So I just read a report on a German sports site about the Portuguese team "Canelas 2010". Apparently they're are likely to get into the 3rd Portuguese league after this season. They have 16 wins out of 17 games. Now, the report said that 12 of those wins were forfeit wins. That the team plays incredibly brutally, nowhere near within the rules, and that they threaten referees so they don't act against them.

Does anyone know more about this?


You mean these guys ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MragWsJvids

Friggin hell that's brutal.

Leipzig are getting their shit pushed in by Bayern today, did not expect that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
December 21 2016 21:06 GMT
#2253
Top4 in Germany before winter break:
Bayern
Leipzig
Hertha
Eintracht Frankfurt

Man so crazy! Also HSV collecting quite some points lately
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 21 2016 21:11 GMT
#2254
On December 22 2016 06:06 sharkie wrote:
Also HSV collecting quite some points lately

They deserve so bad to get relegated but somehow everything always ends up working out just well enough for them.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
December 21 2016 23:51 GMT
#2255
On December 22 2016 02:24 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2016 01:30 Elentos wrote:
So I just read a report on a German sports site about the Portuguese team "Canelas 2010". Apparently they're are likely to get into the 3rd Portuguese league after this season. They have 16 wins out of 17 games. Now, the report said that 12 of those wins were forfeit wins. That the team plays incredibly brutally, nowhere near within the rules, and that they threaten referees so they don't act against them.

Does anyone know more about this?


You mean these guys ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MragWsJvids

That's fucking disgusting.

Hope those fuckers get jail time.

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
December 22 2016 09:19 GMT
#2256
The Canelas players are members of Porto's Super Dragoes, a fan association/ultrss, who seem to also work as 'enforcers' for Porto's top brass (and possibly to crime rings in the Porto area, ahem). Theyve been associated with episodes of vandalism and crime throughout the last twenty years.

The trouble with canelas is that intimidation of referees and opposing teams made it impossible to actual enforce the rules of the game. The only alternative was a boycott. if they do get promoted they will play in other regions and the referees will be more professional so these tactics may not last.

The other fun fact is that Canelas means 'shins' in Portuguese and we often refer to that body part when describing rough play in football.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
December 22 2016 09:37 GMT
#2257
Those guys are nuts. They take the game and themselves way too seriously.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
December 22 2016 10:33 GMT
#2258
On December 22 2016 06:06 sharkie wrote:
Top4 in Germany before winter break:
Bayern
Leipzig
Hertha
Eintracht Frankfurt

Man so crazy! Also HSV collecting quite some points lately

Yes..... I think will only pay attention to Freiburg for the remainder of the season, looking at the other parts of the table might be too infuriating.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 22 2016 15:17 GMT
#2259
Alan Pardew Sacked as Crystal Palace Manager following 8 Defeats in last 10 Games
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51709 Posts
December 22 2016 15:18 GMT
#2260
Big Sam Time
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