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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 27 2017 20:11 GMT
#4261
On March 28 2017 04:17 Shellshock wrote:
muh gambling taboo tho!


I agree. We should outlaw gambling. Or, better yet, merely crusade against them in the public square.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2017 21:06 GMT
#4262
On March 28 2017 05:06 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 13:24 cLutZ wrote:
Parity and variance are extremely connected because a lot of the NFL's parity is injuries+ variance (since 1 game playoffs and 16 game seasons are so short).

The royals lost 4 straight and were 2-4 against Houston in 2015, to make my earlier point about ws champs losing to shitty teams


The shortness of the season is certainly something to think about. We are talking, then though, about parity of result. The most interesting argument comes from a "parity of opportunity"- does every team have an equal opportunity to succeed through their own skill. I think my previous argument that football provides the most chances for an organization to show ability holds true.

Disagree, QB drafting is about 50% of a team's success and is mostly luck. The new MLB CBA is incredibly groundhog friendly to small markets (royals, Cardinals) and the minor league system is the most rewarding to "smart teams​" of all the major sports.
Freeeeeeedom
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 28 2017 18:10 GMT
#4263
I think the emphasis on having an elite quarterback is overrated. Let's look at the quarterbacks in the last few Superbowls: Brady, Ryan, Newton, Wilson, Crippled Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick. Rodgers hasn't even been in the SB since 2011. QB play is important, but it's not like there are only 4 available. There may not be 32 great QBs, but there certainly enough passable QBs for a good portion of the league to compete.

The talent is much more abundant than it is in the NBA.

We've been going back and forth between opportunity vs outcome, but the outcome in baseball is just so random that I can't take it seriously.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 28 2017 18:34 GMT
#4264
The NBA is certainly the least parity. Unless we are considering international sports like Champions League.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 28 2017 19:01 GMT
#4265
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 28 2017 21:16 GMT
#4266
NBA has the least parity because there are only 5 players at the court for one team at any given time. NFL has 11 on offense, 11 on defense, lots of injuries, lots of rotating players in and out, lots of ultra specialized players. Coaches also play a bigger role in terms of play calling and game planning.

The NFL's cap system also plays a part in its parity. Teams can go all in on specific seasons by shifting player compensation to other years. It allows the shitty teams to be competitive in certain years by sacrificing another year.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17467 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-30 20:45:15
March 30 2017 20:09 GMT
#4267
Rotator Cuff surgeries are bad news.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19039017/carolina-panthers-qb-cam-newton-successful-surgery-torn-rotator-cuff

i won't believe Newton's throwing arm is back to full strength until it happens.

Newton can't run as much because of his concussion problems.. and now his throwing will be worse. oh well.

On March 28 2017 06:06 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2017 05:06 Jerubaal wrote:
On March 25 2017 13:24 cLutZ wrote:
Parity and variance are extremely connected because a lot of the NFL's parity is injuries+ variance (since 1 game playoffs and 16 game seasons are so short).

The royals lost 4 straight and were 2-4 against Houston in 2015, to make my earlier point about ws champs losing to shitty teams


The shortness of the season is certainly something to think about. We are talking, then though, about parity of result. The most interesting argument comes from a "parity of opportunity"- does every team have an equal opportunity to succeed through their own skill. I think my previous argument that football provides the most chances for an organization to show ability holds true.

Disagree, QB drafting is about 50% of a team's success and is mostly luck. The new MLB CBA is incredibly groundhog friendly to small markets (royals, Cardinals) and the minor league system is the most rewarding to "smart teams​" of all the major sports.

+1, add the Andrew Friedman run Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Their minor league system was a starting pitcher factory. it was great watching guys making MLB minimum mow down New York's famous , high-priced hitters. Every home grown Devil Rays pitcher threw the same 4 pitches.

On March 29 2017 03:10 Jerubaal wrote:
We've been going back and forth between opportunity vs outcome, but the outcome in baseball is just so random that I can't take it seriously.

the MLB playoffs are hard to take seriously due to randomness. when baseball made the 162 game season much more important prior to 1994 and 1968 it was much better. the 162 game regular season of MLB is an interesting competition.

a proper MLB structure would be 4 divisions.. 2 in each league. the 4 division winners meet in a 28-game, 30-day round robin playoffs.
1 off day every 2 weeks. this will never happen. however, its a much better method of determining the best team in MLB than the current system.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 31 2017 02:12 GMT
#4268
I think your main sin, JimmyJ, is proclaiming as fact what should be speculation or hypothesis.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17467 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-31 04:56:41
March 31 2017 04:42 GMT
#4269
if that's considered a sin i think i'll be ok. i said a lot in my last post so you'll have to be more specific.
regarding baseball the closer it is to the pre-1968 era format the more congruent it is to the nature of the game.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 04 2017 13:25 GMT
#4270
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
April 04 2017 13:42 GMT
#4271
Romo is a good guy, he'd make a nice addition to the tired casting roster.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 04 2017 14:07 GMT
#4272
On April 04 2017 22:42 farvacola wrote:
Romo is a good guy, he'd make a nice addition to the tired casting roster.

Can't be worse than Sims.

As a cowboys fan I've ragged on Romo a lot during his career for failing in the clutch. Always great stats until the game counts etc.

But all that aside, he had a good career and did start to finally perform in the later years. Personality wise I've always liked him, very knowledgeable as well he should do a great job as a broadcaster.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
April 04 2017 14:10 GMT
#4273
Dak performed too well. And no one can justify spending the money on Romo. I think he made the correct decision.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 04 2017 14:28 GMT
#4274
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 04 2017 16:24 GMT
#4275
But now Eagles fans wont have a punching bag to take their frustrations and shortcomings out on...
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-04 19:57:49
April 04 2017 19:55 GMT
#4276
On April 04 2017 23:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2017 22:42 farvacola wrote:
Romo is a good guy, he'd make a nice addition to the tired casting roster.

Can't be worse than Sims.

As a cowboys fan I've ragged on Romo a lot during his career for failing in the clutch. Always great stats until the game counts etc.

But all that aside, he had a good career and did start to finally perform in the later years. Personality wise I've always liked him, very knowledgeable as well he should do a great job as a broadcaster.


Romo was as clutch as Manning. He just had nothing else around him. It's not his fault that their playmaking became hilariously predictable as the season went on and the game was on the line, despite that they usually had good running backs. Their big problem, though, was the lack of an NFL secondary.

On April 04 2017 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Yeah its all about the $$ when u can dak at his salary you can just surround him with so much more talent than Romo. What sucks for Romo is by the time he had a complete team around him his body betrayed him. He was the sole reasons he was in those clutch games because for ever he had a god awful o-line and a leaky as hell defense. People often thought the cowboys were better then they were cause they had a couple of big stars, but over all until 3 years ago this was a bad football team. And even so the defense is pretty shaky. Hopefully they can use the romo money to shore up that D!


Well, they lost Church. :/ Good riddance to Claiborne, though.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 05 2017 18:15 GMT
#4277
Do we like any of the QBs who may be drafted this month? Who presents the best risk/reward proposition?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
April 05 2017 18:23 GMT
#4278
Trubisky is a dud, Kizer looks like a dud, and Mahomes looks like a one gimmick offense pony. Watson looks meh too lol. My guess is that maybe one or two of the top ten will turn into a Carr type under the radar pick, otherwise this years class is quite mediocre, if not outright awful.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
yrba1
Profile Joined June 2010
United States325 Posts
April 05 2017 18:35 GMT
#4279
On April 06 2017 03:15 xDaunt wrote:
Do we like any of the QBs who may be drafted this month? Who presents the best risk/reward proposition?


I expect Trubisky to be a late first rounder at best, and that's based on the norms of certain teams willing to reach for QBs *cough* Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23888 Posts
April 05 2017 20:41 GMT
#4280
I'm torn on the talk about trading Sherman I mean he's the best, but he has been slipping ever so slightly. If they can get crazy good deal I guess, but I still remember the Mariners getting rid of A-Rod and it feels like that.

Sherman feels like to much a part of the team though, it would have to be a ridiculous deal (or him leaving to get an absurd check).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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