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On March 25 2017 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Football having the most parity is a myth. Baseball has much more parity.
OK, structurally, the MLB is one step above La Liga in terms of parity. This disparity is not nullified by the fact that a) baseball is a closet individual sport with fucking insane variance and that b) very few people seem to have any idea how to build a team.
Football has the most parity because it is the most complete team sport: You need good players at every position. This means that there are lots of places to find value.
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Football is kind of funny because we've had a ton of different super bowl winners lately but the AFC has like almost no parity. good thing the NFC is kind of a clusterfuck at times
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On March 25 2017 09:22 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2017 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Football having the most parity is a myth. Baseball has much more parity. OK, structurally, the MLB is one step above La Liga in terms of parity. This disparity is not nullified by the fact that a) baseball is a closet individual sport with fucking insane variance and that b) very few people seem to have any idea how to build a team. Football has the most parity because it is the most complete team sport: You need good players at every position. This means that there are lots of places to find value.
MLB has a lot of parity now because, honestly, there is no way to be a very good team. Even the Yankees can't put together back to back great seasons now because players are forced to stay with thier first team until they are declining. Football can seem like a team sport, but the rule changes mean you can eliminate 70% of teams from title contention after week 1. Maybe Brady/Manning have skewed the NFL's true parity level, but that is still TBD
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I would argue the browns to be a bigger skew in footballs parity as the colts after manning have been pretty poor and BB have just been that trancendent. You can eliminate maybe 50% of the team from week one at most but after that you're still getting competative games unlike MLB where there are dozens of games where teams don't care and are bearly playing for next year.
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On March 25 2017 10:22 Sermokala wrote:
You can eliminate maybe 50% of the team from week one at most but after that you're still getting competative games unlike MLB where there are dozens of games where teams don't care and are bearly playing for next year.
nah, generally speaking, the pitchers and hitters are trying their best even in the last week of the season. and the pitcher//hitter confrontation is the prime decider of baseball games.
pitchers have huge egos and do not want to stand out on the mound getting their pitchers smashed all over the park while opponents circle the bases. when that happens its primarily the pitcher's fault and it ain't fun having all kinds of people staring at you thinking you suck. also , the pitchers and hitters are playing for their own stats and their next contract.
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On March 25 2017 10:22 Sermokala wrote:
I would argue the browns to be a bigger skew in footballs parity as the colts after manning have been pretty poor and BB have just been that trancendent. You can eliminate maybe 50% of the team from week one at most but after that you're still getting competative games unlike MLB where there are dozens of games where teams don't care and are bearly playing for next year.
In the MLB, the worst team in the league could beat the world series champions in a 7 game series.
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On March 25 2017 12:53 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2017 11:33 cLutZ wrote:On March 25 2017 10:22 Sermokala wrote:
I would argue the browns to be a bigger skew in footballs parity as the colts after manning have been pretty poor and BB have just been that trancendent. You can eliminate maybe 50% of the team from week one at most but after that you're still getting competative games unlike MLB where there are dozens of games where teams don't care and are bearly playing for next year. In the MLB, the worst team in the league could beat the world series champions in a 7 game series. Um no. What would make you think this?
Previous session series between good and bad teams. Even 20 games is a small sample size in baseball. The better team wins a BO21 probably only like 70% of the time.
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That could happen, but that's more because baseball is high variance. I don't think you can use that as an argument for parity.
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Parity and variance are extremely connected because a lot of the NFL's parity is injuries+ variance (since 1 game playoffs and 16 game seasons are so short).
The royals lost 4 straight and were 2-4 against Houston in 2015, to make my earlier point about ws champs losing to shitty teams
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with all the off days built into the baseball playoffs.. what makes a good playoff pitching staff is not what makes a good regular season pitching staff.
so we'll declare some team with 5 starters all above average as really, really good because they have a 96-66 record. and we'll label a team "average" that has 2 super-duper-star starters and 3 mediocre to crap starters with an 85-77 record.
the #4 and #5 starters see hardly an action due to off days that creates enough rest for the #1 and #2 to pitch most of a BO7 series.
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On March 25 2017 10:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2017 10:22 Sermokala wrote:
You can eliminate maybe 50% of the team from week one at most but after that you're still getting competative games unlike MLB where there are dozens of games where teams don't care and are bearly playing for next year. nah, generally speaking, the pitchers and hitters are trying their best even in the last week of the season. and the pitcher//hitter confrontation is the prime decider of baseball games. pitchers have huge egos and do not want to stand out on the mound getting their pitchers smashed all over the park while opponents circle the bases. when that happens its primarily the pitcher's fault and it ain't fun having all kinds of people staring at you thinking you suck. also , the pitchers and hitters are playing for their own stats and their next contract.
Thats hogwash and you know it. The good starters are not going to be out there for as long as they can as any manager with a brain pulls them out earlier and earlier to save them from any possible stress related injury. that puts more pressure on the bullpen that the manager can change much easier in the off season but even then no ones going to be putting the best relief pitchers in out of rotation when its not a competitive game anymore. People arn't going to come back from an injury early and this all means batters get better days.
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the manager might put out a lineup that is less than ideal. the pitcher on the mound and hitter at the plate are trying their best for the reasons i stated.
also, to get a really good contract a starter must prove he can pitch an entire season. so starters are motivated to pitch the entire year.
furthermore, every time the Blue Jays, Rays and Orioles had no prayer of making the playoffs in September their #1 closer still pitched in the 9th inning of close games in September. Its the same for every other division in baseball.. short inning relievers want as many saves as possible in order to get a great contract. The best relief pitcher on the team is the 9th inning closer.
a manager refuses to use their healthy #1 reliever in a save situation and his agent is scott boras.... then the team will have a hard time getting another Scott Boras client to join the team. Every save means money... and Scott Boras is the most power agent in Baseball... and Scott Boras likes money. So he likes his clients earning saves.
"Having negotiated an astonishing $2.2 billion in current Major League Baseball player contracts in the league's lucrative salary cap-free system, Boras has delivered some of pro sports' biggest deals, and made himself a very rich man in the process. His agency, Boras Corp , stands to earn some $132 million in commissions over the next several years, making Boras once again The World's Most Powerful Sports Agent."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2016/09/21/the-worlds-most-powerful-sports-agents-2016/#35d7f5ec3f73
guess why Aaron Sanchez wasn't put on an innings limit last year? because Scott Boras said "no". 
generally speaking, teams with no chance of making the playoffs field their best team and use their best pitchers in September.
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The guy would be happy to see his pitcher get a light workload and pitch at his best while extending his carrer by minimizing the damage done to the guys arm and shoulder.
Comeing from a guy whos had to support the twins these last couple of really shitty years they don't field the best team and don't always field the best pitchers in September.
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On March 25 2017 17:04 Sermokala wrote:
The guy would be happy to see his pitcher get a light workload and pitch at his best while extending his carrer by minimizing the damage done to the guys arm and shoulder.
Comeing from a guy whos had to support the twins these last couple of really shitty years they don't field the best team and don't always field the best pitchers in September.
from 1995 to 2014 the Blue Jays played 0 meaningful games in September. None. the vast majority of starters wanted a Clayton Kershaw//Roger Clemens//Roy Halladay contract and wanted as many wins/IPs/Ks as possible. vast majority of closers wanted as many saves as possible. Every "set up guy" wanted as many late inning holds as possible. In the AL East the Orioles and Rays often suffered the same plight as the Blue Jays from 1995 to 2014. Same thing for their pitchers as Blue Jays pitchers. hundreds of hitter in MLB was filling themselves with steroids and endangering their long term health in pursuit of that next big money deal whether they were on the worst team in baseball or the best. Hitters get big money deals with HRs/BBs/Hits in big #s. you don't hit 50 HRs or draw 100 Walks or get 200 base hits by nursing injuries. And those offensive #s lead to big, big money.
good luck telling Roy Halladay he needs to skip a start in September because the Blue Jays are out of the playoff race. there are a few players not motivated by $100+ million pay days though. and i suppose they might milk an injury for more vacation time.. but that's a small # of players.
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The Oakland Raiders will move to Las Vegas after garnering enough votes from NFL owners on Monday to relocate to Southern Nevada.
The Raiders received 31 of 32 votes to approve the move. Twenty-four votes were needed. The Miami Dolphins were the only team to vote against the move, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
The Raiders will still play in Oakland in 2017, and possibly longer.
With a 65,000-seat domed stadium that will cost $1.9 billion to be shared with UNLV not expected to open until 2020, Raiders owner Mark Davis has told ESPN he plans on staying in Oakland the next two seasons. The team holds a pair of one-year options at the Oakland Coliseum.
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On March 25 2017 09:58 Shellshock wrote:
Football is kind of funny because we've had a ton of different super bowl winners lately but the AFC has like almost no parity. good thing the NFC is kind of a clusterfuck at times
The different winners have mostly come from the NFC. The AFC is pretty much the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens and Peyton Manning's team. Lost in the recent dominance of the Patriots and Manning (before he retired) is how the Steelers and Ravens have reloaded somewhat.
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On March 25 2017 13:24 cLutZ wrote:
Parity and variance are extremely connected because a lot of the NFL's parity is injuries+ variance (since 1 game playoffs and 16 game seasons are so short).
The royals lost 4 straight and were 2-4 against Houston in 2015, to make my earlier point about ws champs losing to shitty teams
The shortness of the season is certainly something to think about. We are talking, then though, about parity of result. The most interesting argument comes from a "parity of opportunity"- does every team have an equal opportunity to succeed through their own skill. I think my previous argument that football provides the most chances for an organization to show ability holds true.
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