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On November 29 2016 13:10 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:57 giftdgecko wrote:On November 29 2016 05:41 TerransHill wrote:On November 28 2016 16:55 BlackJack wrote:On November 28 2016 15:09 GTR wrote:On November 28 2016 15:07 DannyJ wrote:
That must have been a super annoying decision for the Broncos to kick that 62 yarder. Basically no chance of hitting it but how could they refuse. yeah, i feel badly for kubiak, it was a lose-lose situation either way. the division is pretty tight too so maybe a half-game would've been worth it. if i were him i'd would've just settled for the tie and punted them deep in their own territory so they wouldn't be able to go down to make the game winning fg. I agree punt is the right call (unless your kicker is Matt Prater). I wonder if Kubiak felt pressured into going for the FG, maybe fearing people will question his will to win if he concedes any possibility of winning the game. Why didn't they just go for 4&10? Probably a better chance than scoring a 62y field goal? Why not run a play to get 5 yards on third down? I don't remember the exact play they ran but it was beyond a 10 yard throw right? If you are thinking about taking the fg get 4-5 yards and make it that much more managable, or in range for the hard count before you take the timeout. It's bad coaching decisions for sure. This is the right thought, any yards make the FG much easier. That said, IMO the FG, given that you are in 4th and 10 and 62 yards is the least-bad call.
Yeah, it's more that Kubiak is one of the more overrated HC's in the league. While the fg might be the right call with that defense and going for the win (a tie is almost as bad as a loss in that division), the play calling on the drive was so silly.
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Kubiak is overrated like most single SB winning coaches are like Dungy, Tomlin, etc. Actually, in my lifetime, those 3+Switzer are probably the least valuable SB winning coaches.
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On November 29 2016 13:41 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:10 cLutZ wrote:On November 29 2016 09:57 giftdgecko wrote:On November 29 2016 05:41 TerransHill wrote:On November 28 2016 16:55 BlackJack wrote:On November 28 2016 15:09 GTR wrote:On November 28 2016 15:07 DannyJ wrote:
That must have been a super annoying decision for the Broncos to kick that 62 yarder. Basically no chance of hitting it but how could they refuse. yeah, i feel badly for kubiak, it was a lose-lose situation either way. the division is pretty tight too so maybe a half-game would've been worth it. if i were him i'd would've just settled for the tie and punted them deep in their own territory so they wouldn't be able to go down to make the game winning fg. I agree punt is the right call (unless your kicker is Matt Prater). I wonder if Kubiak felt pressured into going for the FG, maybe fearing people will question his will to win if he concedes any possibility of winning the game. Why didn't they just go for 4&10? Probably a better chance than scoring a 62y field goal? Why not run a play to get 5 yards on third down? I don't remember the exact play they ran but it was beyond a 10 yard throw right? If you are thinking about taking the fg get 4-5 yards and make it that much more managable, or in range for the hard count before you take the timeout. It's bad coaching decisions for sure. This is the right thought, any yards make the FG much easier. That said, IMO the FG, given that you are in 4th and 10 and 62 yards is the least-bad call. Yeah, it's more that Kubiak is one of the more overrated HC's in the league. While the fg might be the right call with that defense and going for the win (a tie is almost as bad as a loss in that division), the play calling on the drive was so silly.
Also have to consider competing for wildcard spots, not just winning the division. That loss just put the Dolphins ahead of them for the 6th seed wildcard.
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On November 29 2016 09:57 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 05:41 TerransHill wrote:On November 28 2016 16:55 BlackJack wrote:On November 28 2016 15:09 GTR wrote:On November 28 2016 15:07 DannyJ wrote:
That must have been a super annoying decision for the Broncos to kick that 62 yarder. Basically no chance of hitting it but how could they refuse. yeah, i feel badly for kubiak, it was a lose-lose situation either way. the division is pretty tight too so maybe a half-game would've been worth it. if i were him i'd would've just settled for the tie and punted them deep in their own territory so they wouldn't be able to go down to make the game winning fg. I agree punt is the right call (unless your kicker is Matt Prater). I wonder if Kubiak felt pressured into going for the FG, maybe fearing people will question his will to win if he concedes any possibility of winning the game. Why didn't they just go for 4&10? Probably a better chance than scoring a 62y field goal? Why not run a play to get 5 yards on third down? I don't remember the exact play they ran but it was beyond a 10 yard throw right? If you are thinking about taking the fg get 4-5 yards and make it that much more managable, or in range for the hard count before you take the timeout. It's bad coaching decisions for sure.
Yes it was a 10+ yard throw. Of course in retrospect it would have been better to do a run play for an easier field goal or maybe even 4th and short. They played the 3&10 as if it was a normal 3&10 situation.
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On November 29 2016 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
Kubiak is overrated like most single SB winning coaches are like Dungy, Tomlin, etc. Actually, in my lifetime, those 3+Switzer are probably the least valuable SB winning coaches.
So who are the positive value coaches of the era? Belichick and Coughlin? Because there are no other repeat winners until you get to the Broncos in 1998-9. Are almost all coaches worthless?
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On November 29 2016 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
Kubiak is overrated like most single SB winning coaches are like Dungy, Tomlin, etc. Actually, in my lifetime, those 3+Switzer are probably the least valuable SB winning coaches.
Your forgot McCarthy!
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On November 30 2016 05:39 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 15:28 cLutZ wrote:
Kubiak is overrated like most single SB winning coaches are like Dungy, Tomlin, etc. Actually, in my lifetime, those 3+Switzer are probably the least valuable SB winning coaches. So who are the positive value coaches of the era? Belichick and Coughlin? Because there are no other repeat winners until you get to the Broncos in 1998-9. Are almost all coaches worthless?
I don't think those guys are worthless (although Tomlin is arguably not a positive), they are just worse at coaching than quite a few who haven't won super bowls like JimHarbaugh and Andy Reid.
I think the ones that I listed are the "most" overrated (whereas guys like Sean Payton and Pete Carrol don't have this flaw) is because they come from one side of the ball (I.e. defense for Dungy/Tomlin) but their team wins mostly on the other side of the ball because of transcendent talent (most common is the defensive coach that wins with a great QB).
I mean, I look at guys like Jeff Fisher, Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Lovie Smith, etc and despite not being elite coaches, at least their side of the ball does its job! Give Rex or Lovie a good QB and I'll show you a perennial AFC/NFC title game contender, that doesn't needs that QB to put up 30 every playoff game.
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My only comment on that is that you might not be accounting for the talent of the team. After all, if I have a weak side of the ball, wouldn't I want to have a coach that coaches that side?
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On November 30 2016 05:29 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:57 giftdgecko wrote:On November 29 2016 05:41 TerransHill wrote:On November 28 2016 16:55 BlackJack wrote:On November 28 2016 15:09 GTR wrote:On November 28 2016 15:07 DannyJ wrote:
That must have been a super annoying decision for the Broncos to kick that 62 yarder. Basically no chance of hitting it but how could they refuse. yeah, i feel badly for kubiak, it was a lose-lose situation either way. the division is pretty tight too so maybe a half-game would've been worth it. if i were him i'd would've just settled for the tie and punted them deep in their own territory so they wouldn't be able to go down to make the game winning fg. I agree punt is the right call (unless your kicker is Matt Prater). I wonder if Kubiak felt pressured into going for the FG, maybe fearing people will question his will to win if he concedes any possibility of winning the game. Why didn't they just go for 4&10? Probably a better chance than scoring a 62y field goal? Why not run a play to get 5 yards on third down? I don't remember the exact play they ran but it was beyond a 10 yard throw right? If you are thinking about taking the fg get 4-5 yards and make it that much more managable, or in range for the hard count before you take the timeout. It's bad coaching decisions for sure. Yes it was a 10+ yard throw. Of course in retrospect it would have been better to do a run play for an easier field goal or maybe even 4th and short. They played the 3&10 as if it was a normal 3&10 situation.
That's the problem though, it wasn't a normal 3rd and 10 and to play it like that and then look that confused after it didn't work, shows some terrible decision making. Run on first for no gain, let 43 seconds off the clock, then two shotgun plays after that ran 9 seconds off? He couldn't decide to run time or try to get into fg position and did neither successfully. A good coach in that situation says run the ball, use the time (had a time out still) and kick the long fg taking the yards we can running (maybe screen). Or, stay in a hurry up and try to gain some chunks of yardage for a first because you don't believe you can hit that fg with the intent of punting in worst case.
Kubiak was mediocre in Houston and has been in Denver, held up by Wade Phillips and that defense which has become closer to mortal this year.
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Maybe, doesn't seem to be the case with at least Tomlin of that list. The Pitt D was really good when he got there and it's declined massively under him. Dungy is interesting because, he was there so long and they built a defense that had some strengths, but instead of complimenting the great offense, it felt reliant on the offense (and perfect health). Also, Dungy was replaced by world renowned potato Jim Caldwell to the Colts minor inconvenience.
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I think when you are evaluating Dungy you have to take the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccanneers into account as well. That they won that year was in no small part due to the defense/team he had crafted there. His defense at Colts was largely plagued by not getting healthy/beastly enough in the secondary (especially the safeties - Bob Sanders when healthy was a beast and pretty much the heart of the defence - sadly he was brittle like glass). And if you are only focusing on his ability to build defense you should also include his stint as defensive coordinator in Minnesota during which their D ranked #1.
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I don't discount that, and I'm no defender of Bill Polian's Indy tenure either (not like it matters, he was a HOFer before he got there). Dungy is one where I would say he is a borderline HOF coach like a Cowher/Holmgren not the instant shoo-in better get him on all of the TV shows guy he is treated like.
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Top 4 was what I expected. Was wondering what they would do about FSU and Louisville since it decides the orange bowl berth. Tennessee still being ranked is a joke. They just got smoked by Vanderbilt and also have a loss to a bad South Carolina team.
What are the odds Navy jumps undefeated WMU if both win their conference but then Navy also beats Army? I would think low since WMU would be 13-0 but people are bringing up a lot of sos to discredit WMU since their schedule is pretty weak. The higher ranked of those 2 goes to the Cotton Bowl
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I expected the same Shellshock, though I didn't want Clemson in there. WMU gets no love, and that's sad. Undefeated is undefeated. I think they should be closer to the Top 10 than they are, but whatever. They'll get a good bowl regardless. I don't think they'll get jumped by Navy no matter what.
Glad Nebraska got booted out. They fucking shit the bed the second half. They beat who they are supposed to beat and didn't even try to play vs Iowa.
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Oregon has dismissed football coach Mark Helfrich
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From what I gather, Oregon's athletic department is tearing itself apart over this season's collapse. Helfrich may not be the last person to get the axe.
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I can't remember where he got it but my local sports radio guy said that the AD of oregon was willing to pay a coach $10m a year.
Thats more then saban makes (at least over the table). Wouldn't be surprised to see a big name get seduced to the duck side.
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On November 30 2016 12:40 Sermokala wrote:
I can't remember where he got it but my local sports radio guy said that the AD of oregon was willing to pay a coach $10m a year.
Thats more then saban makes (at least over the table). Wouldn't be surprised to see a big name get seduced to the duck side.
I think it was Phil Knight that said that. He said he was getting old and wanted to see Oregon win a title
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AD is hoping Phil Knight comes in and saves them. AD is playing with money he doesn't have
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