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TanGeng
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Maybe he can get a physical long ball team in England and see how that turns out. It's probably more of a sign of the times that the rest of the clubs are copying or countering without sustained success. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Guillem Ballague told Sky Sports: City are convinced they have done enough to get Pep Guardiola, but they have not signed anything. "Roman Abramovich is aware of that and is trying to convince Pep by giving him a blank chequebook. "The only thing that is clear is that his next job is in the Premier League. That's the only thing that nobody doubts. "His intention is to give an answer in January to his future employees." BATTLE IS ON!!! Haha | ||
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Pandemona
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28929 Posts
On December 23 2015 03:13 TanGeng wrote: Does Pep really need his style? He's been at Bayern and Barcelona. They played similarly before he arrived so it hasn't been a huge change. Maybe he can get a physical long ball team in England and see how that turns out. It's probably more of a sign of the times that the rest of the clubs are copying or countering without sustained success. His Bayern was equally good, or arguably even better, before he came, but they played quite differently, going from having the world's deadliest counter attacks to being a split #1 in terms of possession play. I honestly haven't watched Bayern too much (mostly just CL, and far from every game there) since his first season, but it is my impression that he has slightly deviated from the purist Guardiola style following being trounced by RM, meaning that he is indeed willing to adapt to his squad, but I really can't picture him playing long balls or defend and counter. I think the reason why he wants to go to England is that he wants to show the world that his style will be successful even there. And while part of me wants him to fail cuz I've always been a PL and mourinho fanboy, I think as long as he's given a legit chance, then he will succeed. While I don't particularly enjoy watching his teams play, a lot of this derives from how his style, when performed by a capable team, is so good that it kinda kills the excitement. But if I were a Barcelona supporter, he'd be sitting just a little bit lower than messi on my shrine. Still, I wouldn't expect City to start having 80% possession every game, but there's no doubt that whichever team he overtakes will improve their short passing game and have less long balls. | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On December 23 2015 03:13 TanGeng wrote: Does Pep really need his style? He's been at Bayern and Barcelona. They played similarly before he arrived so it hasn't been a huge change. Maybe he can get a physical long ball team in England and see how that turns out. It's probably more of a sign of the times that the rest of the clubs are copying or countering without sustained success. We didn't play similar to Barca at all under Heynckes. We played 4-2-3-1 , pep never uses that. And we didn't rely on his possession style, we always attacked and looked for the finish instead of kicking the ball around. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 23 2015 03:13 TanGeng wrote: Does Pep really need his style? He's been at Bayern and Barcelona. They played similarly before he arrived so it hasn't been a huge change. Maybe he can get a physical long ball team in England and see how that turns out. It's probably more of a sign of the times that the rest of the clubs are copying or countering without sustained success. Well Rijkjaards and the subsequent Barcelons before didnt play the Pep style at all. They were good teams but there was a big emphasis on his end to impose the style and gets players to do it. Especially the "lose the ball and press" thing. They didnt play any different from any top team before then. Xavi for example was at best an above average midfield player for a decade before before Guardiola arrived. Bayern to was a very good team so even if they didnt play that way the players were more than capable to adapt, the issue isnt what kind of style the team played before as much as players being capable, technically and also buying into it. With respect to the Bayern game when he got smashed by RM, he claimed he knew pretty quickly he had screwed up but he couldnt figure out a way to fix it that point. Also Pep played alot of 4 3 2 1 in the Bundesliga his first year because he was able to fit Gotze in that way and put Lahm into midfield + Show Spoiler + (something people complained alot about and infact I didnt agree with it either but it worked really well because Lahm has godly footballing IQ in addition to talent) | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On December 23 2015 04:32 Liquid`Drone wrote: His Bayern was equally good, or arguably even better, before he came, but they played quite differently, going from having the world's deadliest counter attacks to being a split #1 in terms of possession play. I honestly haven't watched Bayern too much (mostly just CL, and far from every game there) since his first season, but it is my impression that he has slightly deviated from the purist Guardiola style following being trounced by RM, meaning that he is indeed willing to adapt to his squad, but I really can't picture him playing long balls or defend and counter. I think the reason why he wants to go to England is that he wants to show the world that his style will be successful even there. And while part of me wants him to fail cuz I've always been a PL and mourinho fanboy, I think as long as he's given a legit chance, then he will succeed. While I don't particularly enjoy watching his teams play, a lot of this derives from how his style, when performed by a capable team, is so good that it kinda kills the excitement. But if I were a Barcelona supporter, he'd be sitting just a little bit lower than messi on my shrine. Still, I wouldn't expect City to start having 80% possession every game, but there's no doubt that whichever team he overtakes will improve their short passing game and have less long balls. I agree with Drone here. Bayern have insane quality and they can go score after long balls as seen in this seasons game against Dortmund because everybody in that squad is capable of extremely precise crosses but I doubt that Pep could accept playing like this every game. That's possibly giving up the ball when you could just keep it in your own rows and controle opponent and pace of the game. Pep wouldn't voluntarily give up control. | ||
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Azza
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
( http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/641846/artikel_guardiola-wird-trainer-bei-manchester-city.html ). I really like the idea of mou joining ManU. Although he lost most of his mojo, it would be great to have a duell between him and pep, in the same city. | ||
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malcram
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On December 23 2015 23:27 TerransHill wrote: So Pep to City seems to be safe now according to kicker ( http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/641846/artikel_guardiola-wird-trainer-bei-manchester-city.html ). I really like the idea of mou joining ManU. Although he lost most of his mojo, it would be great to have a duell between him and pep, in the same city. haha, never crossed my mind. that's gonna sell tickets! | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
 Surely City have a similar sized check waiting for him anyway.Also holy shit spanish Media saying Madrid are about to fire Benitez and sign Mou. Makes sense if we consider their past moves of firing the winner of La Décima after one empty year and then, well, signing Benítez. Let's remember Mou got 2 empty years out of 3 at RM, never reached CL finals and got 2-6'd and 5-0'd by FCB. It's important that they are keeping consistent with their signature signing stupidity. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also yeh in those 2 seasons that happened, but in the other one they stopped the Barca dominance winning cup and League with some records thrown in their too right? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On December 23 2015 23:27 TerransHill wrote: So Pep to City seems to be safe now according to kicker ( http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/641846/artikel_guardiola-wird-trainer-bei-manchester-city.html ). I really like the idea of mou joining ManU. Although he lost most of his mojo, it would be great to have a duell between him and pep, in the same city. I don't think it can happen in that span of time but there is a ManU-Chelsea match on 28th December. Imagine Mourinho being United's coach there. (Or maybe they wait on purpose until after this match to do the move) | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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malcram
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On December 24 2015 03:12 Pandemona wrote: Pretty sure Van Gaal has the xmas period to save his job. New year they might get rid if he still dropping results/crowd unrest etc hehe, you were pretty sure about mourinho too =X also, damn... LvG got pissed at his prematch presser. got to sympathize with him a little at least, the way the media is treating him right now. kinda fucked up. | ||
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haitike
Spain2745 Posts
On December 24 2015 02:31 Salteador Neo wrote: Why would Pep go to Chelsea? The team is in shambles and their fans are Mou fanboys, he is way too smart to fall for the Roman check bait Surely City have a similar sized check waiting for him anyway.Also holy shit spanish Media saying Madrid are about to fire Benitez and sign Mou. Makes sense if we consider their past moves of firing the winner of La Décima after one empty year and then, well, signing Benítez. Let's remember Mou got 2 empty years out of 3 at RM, never reached CL finals and got 2-6'd and 5-0'd by FCB. It's important that they are keeping consistent with their signature signing stupidity. 2-6 was two years before Mou, with Juan de ramos. Mou won the only league in this 7 years Florentino presidency. And reached semifinals three times in a row after 8 years not passing Ro16. He did not fail so much, he turned the team competitive against Barcelona again. . The third year was a disaster, anyway. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 24 2015 07:00 haitike wrote: 2-6 was two years before Mou, with Juan de ramos. Mou won the only league in this 7 years Florentino presidency. And reached semifinals three times in a row after 8 years not passing Ro16. He did not fail so much, he turned the team competitive against Barcelona again. . The third year was a disaster, anyway. Dont forget the Cup :p | ||
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Copymizer
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Kind of like it. | ||
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