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evilfatsh1t
Australia8806 Posts
if i see players fail to do what ronaldo and messi do (ie, the classic acceleration past opponents by messi), i am disappointed rather than amazed at ronaldo and messi however, i do not expect anyone to do what ronaldinho did. ronaldinho alone could do what he did and no one else will replicate his presence on the field | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 27 2015 18:01 evilfatsh1t wrote: watching ronaldo and messi has raised my expectations from normal players. if i see players fail to do what ronaldo and messi do (ie, the classic acceleration past opponents by messi), i am disappointed rather than amazed at ronaldo and messi however, i do not expect anyone to do what ronaldinho did. ronaldinho alone could do what he did and no one else will replicate his presence on the field I don't know, will you think that 5-6 years after they retire? Somehow I can't picture myself telling my kid 'yeah, Ronaldo and Messi were magic on the field, it was amazing watching them'. Its like I've seen the same incredible level of football for so long it not so special anymore. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6263 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
You can pull out a highlight reel for all of them. So Ronnie while world class is in that league. Not in the league that Messi and Ronaldo sit in. These 2 are live highlight reels. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 27 2015 19:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think Zidane's highlight reel is the only one of those comparable to Ronaldinho's. I agree in terms of team impact, which ultimately is the most important thing, but Ronaldinho's selling point is his artistry, and as far as I'm concerned, he really is the undisputed champion in that regard. Wellll.. Ronaldo (real ronaldo not CR7 Ronaldo) did the same things Ronnie did before Ronnie. Both at Barca and Inter, didnt have to do so much at Real when you have Zidane and Figo behind you. Like to the point that if you didnt know anything about football back in the day and you were in a third world country you knew Ronaldo, sort of Jordanesque. its different now obviously but Ronaldo's impact on the game was so huge before cable got Footy in the rest of the world he was literally synonymous with the world football because of how cool he was to watch even if you didnt care about footy. I can say this doubly because I grew up in said environment. Heres an idea go watch a few Ronaldo vids (phenomnon not CR7) and watch some Ronnie vids. And aside from some confirmation bias if you really think about it you wont find much difference in wow factor. I will say this, Ronnies style of moving and running was classier to look at than Ronaldo who was a bit more powerpuff and rough in his movement. They basically did the same things though and Ronaldo had a better finish on him and Ronnie was a better passer. And this is just one example | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
there's no objective answer here (unlike the best player discussion  ), but to me, I still think ronaldinho has the most wow factor. But phenomenon might be the closest suggestion to make me reconsider. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18215 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 27 2015 20:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: I actually did watch a bunch of phenomenon highlights like a couple weeks ago, pretty randomly. And yeah, I'll grant you that he's something truly truly special. Still, I think he was more efficient, and slightly less of an artist. SO many incredible nutmegs and technical details though, for sure. there's no objective answer here (unlike the best player discussion ), but to me, I still think ronaldinho has the most wow factor. But phenomenon might be the closest suggestion to make me reconsider. Hence my point about it his style being classier to look at. But yeah thats even more subjective than the best player discussion. We all know Messi GOAT anyway. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 27 2015 20:13 Acrofales wrote: Ronaldinho was really good for a rather short period. That's the main thing I count against anybody saying that he was the greatest football artist. How long do you have to be amazing to count as that? I think Zidane and Bergkamp are also more deserving of that title, because they were at that top level for far longer than Ronaldinho Gaucho. Even if they never peaked at the level of Ronaldinho, a highlight reel doesn't care whether the highlights happened over 2 years of real time or 10. Yeah but calling someone the greatest ever should mean that no one was better than them. If someone was better at their peak for even a year that still means that if they played on the same pitch in prime from the guys that was only good for a year would be better. edit: Eh, you guys making me watch highlight videos. Really hate when they take 4:3 footage taken from a 240p source and put it in widescreen.  | ||
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2stra
Netherlands928 Posts
On November 27 2015 20:50 zeo wrote: Eh, you guys making me watch highlight videos. Really hate when they take 4:3 footage taken from a 240p source and put it in widescreen. ah those highlight videos always have terrible video quality coupled with some of the worst music known to man. Still able to trick me into watching them for hours on end tho | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On November 27 2015 20:50 zeo wrote: Yeah but calling someone the greatest ever should mean that no one was better than them. If someone was better at their peak for even a year that still means that if they played on the same pitch in prime from the guys that was only good for a year would be better. edit: Eh, you guys making me watch highlight videos. Really hate when they take 4:3 footage taken from a 240p source and put it in widescreen. Haha same here, basically when you watch all the joga bonitos there is no denying that Ronaldinho is the greatest  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
Even disregarding the whole, horrible morality of it all, the sheer stupidity is even more provocative to me. | ||
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