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On February 22 2015 00:14 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 11:48 Cricketer12 wrote:And now we get 3 hours of tuk tuk...if they live that long I don't understand why Misbah gets so much shit. He inherited an absolute catastrophe where half the team were jailed and the other half were under suspicion too. Not only that but they have been unable to play home games since the Sri Lanka bus attack. He turned that side around and is the sole reason they have been winning series in all formats the last few years. He still has a test average of 49, ODI average of 43 both of which are exceptional. The man is an absolute hero for what he has done for his country, would love to have him on the aussie team!
The issue I have with Misbah is his all round defensive mindset that he has spread to the entire team since becoming cpt. If he was on australia, he would be undoubtedly an amazing player, but with pakistani politics in play Misbah is a very bad influence, Hafeez, Jumshaid, Shezad, they have all turned into tuks. Furthermore there was little justification for playing younis. On top of that WHY WOULD HE ELECT TO BOWL FIRST ?!
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Is there anything AB de Villiers cant do? just ran out Rohit Sharma with a lovely throw
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I know we all enjoy India against South Africa, but let's not forget the other game. Sri Lanka against Afghanistan is going down to the wire!
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On February 22 2015 14:20 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
I know we all enjoy India against South Africa, but let's not forget the other game. Sri Lanka against Afghanistan is going down to the wire!
Much closer than anyone expected I think, major props to afghanistan and to perera for winning the game for Sri Lanka
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It's frustrating seeing half of every game before I fall asleap. But I guess Australia/New Zealand are the other side fo the world.
On February 22 2015 12:50 Ultimo Hombre wrote:
Is there anything AB de Villiers cant do? just ran out Rohit Sharma with a lovely throw Just saw that on the highlights. Wow what a sensational bit of fielding.
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On February 22 2015 14:50 Ultimo Hombre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 14:20 SantosPhillipCarlo wrote:
I know we all enjoy India against South Africa, but let's not forget the other game. Sri Lanka against Afghanistan is going down to the wire! Much closer than anyone expected I think, major props to Afghanistan and to Perera for winning the game for Sri Lanka
For sure.
On February 22 2015 19:14 Greg_J wrote:It's frustrating seeing half of every game before I fall asleep. But I guess Australia/New Zealand are the other side fo the world. Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 12:50 Ultimo Hombre wrote:
Is there anything AB de Villiers cant do? just ran out Rohit Sharma with a lovely throw Just saw that on the highlights. Wow what a sensational bit of fielding.
Agreed - and the crazy thing was India were as good with those that game, and that's not something that can always be said when they play South Africa.
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Cant belive how close sl v afg was and how poor Ind v SA was. Super Surprised Dhawan is doing so well again
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England are so bad. Scotland actually have a fair chance of winning this.
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On February 23 2015 12:49 Greg_J wrote:
England are so bad. Scotland actually have a fair chance of winning this.
At the risk of jinxing England, I think you can breathe a little easier tonight since Scotland has been reduced to 127-5 after 28 overs.
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On February 22 2015 01:31 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 00:14 DropBear wrote:On February 21 2015 11:48 Cricketer12 wrote:And now we get 3 hours of tuk tuk...if they live that long I don't understand why Misbah gets so much shit. He inherited an absolute catastrophe where half the team were jailed and the other half were under suspicion too. Not only that but they have been unable to play home games since the Sri Lanka bus attack. He turned that side around and is the sole reason they have been winning series in all formats the last few years. He still has a test average of 49, ODI average of 43 both of which are exceptional. The man is an absolute hero for what he has done for his country, would love to have him on the aussie team! The issue I have with Misbah is his all round defensive mindset that he has spread to the entire team since becoming cpt. If he was on australia, he would be undoubtedly an amazing player, but with pakistani politics in play Misbah is a very bad influence, Hafeez, Jumshaid, Shezad, they have all turned into tuks. Furthermore there was little justification for playing younis. On top of that WHY WOULD HE ELECT TO BOWL FIRST ?!
I have so many issues with what you have said here.
- How is he involved in the board politics exactly? And how is he a bad influence? I'm quite sure that actually scoring runs and winning series isn't a bad influence.
- What makes him so bad with Pakistan if he would supposedly be better in Australia's team? He's the same bloke
- What is wrong with a defensive mindset while batting? It sure works better than Afridi's method, look at their averages.
- Does he even get to pick Younis? That is a selection panel decision. Which he isn't part of.
- You mention Hafeez as being negatively influenced who isn't even playing through injury and bowling suspension cos he's a chucker
- Why wouldn't he elect to bowl first? It was a reasonable decision. Not his fault Jamshed, Irfan and Afridi (twice!) dropped catches.
Finally, if he's such a bad influence, who replaces him? Afridi after he had the captaincy removed in 2011? Younis for the 10 millionth time? Hafeez who legally cannot bowl?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
England won a game and still played like crap. One day cricket is just shockingly bad from England and has been for years. When will they grow some balls and start actually being aggressive. New Zealand are in fact on paper a pretty average team on paper but their batsman actually go out their and bat aggressively and force the game upon teams. Thats why they are probably the best bet to challenge South Africa/Australia for the title this world cup.
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On February 23 2015 18:32 Pandemona wrote:
England won a game and still played like crap. One day cricket is just shockingly bad from England and has been for years. When will they grow some balls and start actually being aggressive. New Zealand are in fact on paper a pretty average team on paper but their batsman actually go out their and bat aggressively and force the game upon teams. Thats why they are probably the best bet to challenge South Africa/Australia for the title this world cup.
The NZ squad is hardly 'average' on paper or otherwise
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
It is compared to the big boys. Also the ICC rankings say so too.
Australia
India
South Africa
Sri Lanka
New Zealand
England
Pakistan
West Indes
New Zealand playing much better than India and Sri Lanka but the squad is not as good as either of those on paper. At this moment in time considering form and home crowd you would put them as joint favorites with Aussies to win the whole thing. Which imo is just purely down to brute force attacking batsman they have.
I always go back to the way the Aussies approached one day cricket when they had Hayden and Gillie opening the batting. That for me is how you should play ODI cricket, your 3rd and 4th choice batsman should be the knock it around guys whist the 2 openers should be the ones to abuse the power play for 10 overs and get a good start. Doesn't work all the time i agree but im pretty sure it is the best way to play ODI cricket, especially due to the amounts of T20 cricket and the mindset.
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ICC rankings are not really indicative of anything, I remember when England was the number 1 test team in the world even though everyone knew SA was much stronger. I would like to continue but im not sure what you mean by 'on paper', do you mean statistically?
Since 2014 I dont think its particularly churlish to say that the NZ ODI bowling unit, for example, is better than both Sri Lanka's bowling attack (essentially Malinga + 1, normally Herath) and India's (which is pretty shoddy in general; performance against SA not withstanding)
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Ian Bell 54 runs | 85 balls | 2 4's | 0 6's |
Against Scotland. He's playing Test Cricket.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On paper i mean as a reference to how pundits see it. Do pundits see New Zealand as a better squad than India and Sri Lanka no. But they are showing signs of being the dark horse for the tournament in their 3 displays so far.
I get what your saying to me that they aren't "bad" or "weak" i agree but they were never considered to be above where they are in the rankings which were updated on saturday.
But i was just using them as a reference for my point on the way England play. McCullum and co can really hit a ball and even the softer players in Taylor can smack it. Just think England bat like they play test cricket every format and it is just so predictable and boring.
I mean is any other ODI team as boring as England is to watch right now when they bat? I don't think so, every team has a well established big hitter.
Aus = Warner and many more
New Zea = McCullum
South Afr = DeVilliers
Sri Lana = Dilshan
India = Raina/Dhoni
West Indes = Gayle
England =....Jos Butler? Guy is a 1 in 10 innings guy if you're lucky. Other than that we rely on Moeen Ali who just doesn't seem to cut it. We need Hayles opening with Ali to get it going fast then add in Bell and Taylor to stroke with Root/rest to follow.
Ahh well im just bitter because our best batsman has been exiled for speaking the truth (Pietersen)
On February 23 2015 22:36 Greg_J wrote:
Ian Bell 54 runs | 85 balls | 2 4's | 0 6's |
Against Scotland. He's playing Test Cricket.
Yeah i mean wtf he doing for fuck sake.
Listening to Nasser and Strauss before the game they were like its time for them to try and get some confidence now and play some shots. Bell getting 54 runs and 2 boundaries!!! Is surely not getting any confidence and made him feel even more vulnerable!
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A lot of people online seem to blame Moores quite a bit for this defensiveness, does that hold any water?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Im not sure, when is the last time England played "expansive" cricket, probably under Fletcher but that was mainly due to having the likes of Pietersen and Flintoff in the team at the same time.
But yeah i think the whole selectors and board at the ECB have to have a look at the way they coach/set the team up/play.
Take a note of the Aussies which everyone screamed at us to do 10 years ago and actually do it this time xD
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On February 23 2015 22:58 Pandemona wrote:
Im not sure, when is the last time England played "expansive" cricket, probably under Fletcher but that was mainly due to having the likes of Pietersen and Flintoff in the team at the same time.
But yeah i think the whole selectors and board at the ECB have to have a look at the way they coach/set the team up/play.
Take a note of the Aussies which everyone screamed at us to do 10 years ago and actually do it this time xD
Could we throw the Andy Flower era (particularly 2009-2011) in there? I know that team only reached the World Cup quarters, but I also look at two Ashes series wins (including one in Australia) and the World T20 title.
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my money is still on New Zealand
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