You fast until workout then eat a fuckload right after, at least thats how i do it if i do my workout at around 1-2 pm. If i workout in the evening ill obviously eat before i workout.

If you workout in the morning you probably should not do fasting

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

March 30 2016 17:40 GMT

#1962

What are some typical fasting patterns? Isn't everyone fasting for at least 8 hours at night?

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

March 30 2016 17:45 GMT

#1963

There are metabolic shifts in your body if you fast for at least 14-16 hours that don't happen if you only fast for 8.

decafchicken

United States20020 Posts

March 30 2016 18:19 GMT

#1964

More detail on those shifts? I don't see a lot of reason for fasting for someone who works out seriously.

Osmoses

Sweden5302 Posts

March 30 2016 18:39 GMT

#1965

It's for losing fat while retaining muscle. Google intermittant fasting, I believe the theory is to trick your body into converting bodyfat into ketones, which it uses as a glycose substitute.

edit: ... I may have gotten this mixed up with low carb dieting. Nutritional theory always puts me to sleep.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

March 31 2016 00:50 GMT

#1966

On March 31 2016 03:19 decafchicken wrote:
More detail on those shifts? I don't see a lot of reason for fasting for someone who works out seriously.

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/09/intermittent-thoughts-on-intermittent_25.html

Check that link and the related articles for some of the explanation on the molecular switches involved in fasting states. The short of it is that when you are fasting amp kinase, a protein kinase that downregulates anabolic machinery and upregulates cellular machinery involved in clearing out cellular debris, gets switched "on" and mtor which is the anabolic signal gets switched "off." If you are eating every 3 hours and never take the time to fast your body kind of runs in an "always on" state. By taking the time to switch it off you are giving your body a break from the constant anabolic "on switch", and letting it repair, clean up, flush out toxins, reset insulin sensitivity, etc. It's possible there are cancer links as well. Check out the articles for a more detailed explanation, I haven't read them for a couple years.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

March 31 2016 01:08 GMT

#1967

Also suppversity just had an article on a really interesting compound that I've been investigating for the last couple years, BPC-157.

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html

promote tendon & ligament healing by tendon outgrowth, cell survival, and cell migration as it was observed in a rodent model of Achilles tendon rupture (Chang. 2011), and when administered in the drinking water to rats with experimentally damaged medial collateral ligaments (Cerovecki. 2010)
direct tendon-to-bone healing so effectivel that they may actually "successfully exchange the present reconstructive surgical methods" (Krivic. 2006),
counter the damaging effects of NSAIDs on the gut lining so effectively that scientists call BPC 157 "a NSAIDs antidote" one of which they say that "no other single agent has portrayed a similar array of effects" (Sikiric. 2013),
repair the damage that's done by inflammatory bowel disease within days of oral administration in µg or ng doses in a rodent model of IBS (Vuksic. 2007),
help cure perdidontitis when it is chronically administered in a rodent model of periodontitis potently enough to have scientists conclude that "BPC 157 may represent a new peptide candidate in the treatment of periodontal disease" (Keremi. 2009),
reverse systemic corticosteroid-impaired muscle healing, in a rodent model where it was administered with a front-load of 10µg orally once daily for 14 days to rats w/ crushed gastrocnemius muscle (Pevec. 2010 | similar benefits in a rodent study by Novinscak et al. that was published in Surgery Today in 2008), and
bone healing in rabbits who suffered an experimental segmental bone defect before being treated with BPC-157 (Šebečić. 1999).

So why didn't my doctor prescribe this? As gastric juice peptides, BPCs - including BPC-157 - are not patentable. Therefore, they are not interesting, and thus not produced or marketed by pharma companies (so your doctor probably doesn't even know about their existence) and thus not available as FDA regulated drugs.

The lack of money one can make from this agent is probably also the reason there's still relatively little research on this compound; and I fear that this is not going to change very soon... it is thus probably more a question of money than one of time when and if we will see the human studies we need to decide if its effective+safe in man

Pulimuli

Sweden2766 Posts

March 31 2016 12:01 GMT

#1968

On March 31 2016 02:40 Jerubaal wrote:
What are some typical fasting patterns? Isn't everyone fasting for at least 8 hours at night?

i usually fast for 16 hours a day, start eating at noon or 1pm and stop at 8 or 9pm

phyre112

United States3090 Posts

April 01 2016 00:25 GMT

#1969

If I'm doing fasting, I'll eat at 4 or 5 pm until midnight, and fast the rest of the day. I'm busier in the mornings so its easy to stay focused on things besides eating, and I dont usually lift until around 9pm.

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

April 02 2016 23:21 GMT

#1970

For how long do you fast? Do you do it for a few weeks or a few months?

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

April 03 2016 00:46 GMT

#1971

I've been fasting 6 or 7 days a week for years now. Sometimes I don't. Like if people want to eat earlier and I'm there socially. But that's usually limited to weekends.

phyre112

United States3090 Posts

April 03 2016 20:53 GMT

#1972

it's up to whether I'm trying to bulk or maintain my weight personally, so I go in roughly three month stretches. There's nothing wrong with doing it year round, I just find it hard to eat enough to gain weight in a 6 hour frame.

mordek

United States12704 Posts

April 04 2016 20:53 GMT

#1973

I haven't quite figured out a good way with lifting at 6:30am then working until 5pm.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

April 05 2016 00:24 GMT

#1974

it sucks man, lifting in the am sucks

Osmoses

Sweden5302 Posts

April 05 2016 07:33 GMT

#1975

The waking, getting to gym and lifting sucks, but it makes for a pretty solid day.

decafchicken

United States20020 Posts

April 05 2016 14:01 GMT

#1976

On April 05 2016 16:33 Osmoses wrote:
The waking, getting to gym and lifting sucks, but it makes for a pretty solid day.

haha pretty much.

Hamstring I pulled a couple weeks ago in rugby is pretty much 100% now but I took a huge shot to the quad this past weekend ~~ Haven't lifted anything heavy in a few weeks, hope I can do something tomorrow.

TerransHill

Germany572 Posts

April 05 2016 16:23 GMT

#1977

Iam just going to try fasting for 1 month now and see how it turns out.
The pattern I think of is:

7:00 get up and go to work.
--fasting end---
12:00 first meal
14:30 workout
16:00 second meal
20:00 last meal: protein shake for the night.
--fasting start--

This should be viable, right?
If I go running instead of going to the gym should I eat the same or eat less carbs?

JumpinJupiters

Brazil23 Posts

April 05 2016 23:37 GMT

#1978

Ive been fasting morning if i dont feel hungry. Been doing sort of a paleo/primal diet since jan 5 started @ 128.8kg and am very close to 115kg atm. I do crossfit - insert joke here- my lifts havent really changed in this period, small increments but my cardio side has gone way way up mainly due to weight loss.

I drink black coffee and water with lime till lunch. Lunch ill eat some veggies with meat and usually sweet potatoe. Snack if hungry then around 6 i workout and eat usually another piece of sweet potatoe + creatine 40 min prior then cf workout then whey protein + fruit. Ill eat eggs+ veggies at night. This has been working and weight slowly going down but past week i started doing a workout in the morning around lunch time as well as cf @ night and now my diet is messed up. I have been eating 1-2 hours before morning workout usually tapioca+ eggs and maybe some veggies then workout then lunch ( ill add whey if still a while for lunch) from lunch till 2nd workout ive been loading a bit on food to feel good during 2nd workout - this could be a mistake as my goal is to get down to around 100kgs ( im 1'92m) and then same routine post workout although some days i have carbed out at night from hunger.

I supplement as well with bcaa, zma, omega 3, vit d3, multi vitamin and started trying out melatonin.

Weight seems to have stagnated past few days. Suggestions r welcome.

mordek

United States12704 Posts

April 06 2016 12:58 GMT

#1979

If I were trying to fast from 6-7pm until 8am (post-workout) is this a situation where it makes sense to take BCAAs pre-workout?

decafchicken

United States20020 Posts

April 06 2016 13:24 GMT

#1980

On April 06 2016 21:58 mordek wrote:
If I were trying to fast from 6-7pm until 8am (post-workout) is this a situation where it makes sense to take BCAAs pre-workout?

Yes.